I am outraged.
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Count me in:
“To gain admission to college, Asian-American students had to score 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanic students, and 450 points higher than black students.”
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450088/jeff-sessions-affirmative-action-college-admissions-investigate-racial-discrimination
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Yeah. Trying to figure out why the left is making this all about white privilege and ignoring that rather inconvenient detail.
Seems like Asians are more in need of protection than whites.
Ever look at Alabama’s football roster?
Yeah. Trying to figure out why the left is making this all about white privilege and ignoring that rather inconvenient detail.
To preface this post, nothing I’m about to write is intended in anyway to support the current admission policies at universities. I’m addressing specifically one point, and its the one I’ve quoted above.
Scenario 1: The usual suspects are really concerned that asians are treated fairly when it comes to admissions standards, despite the fact that they have rarely, if ever, shown any concern for fair treatment among any other minority group.
Scenario 2: They are concerned about white people, knowing that changing the admission standards to reject race would ultimately increase white acceptance rates even though it will increase the acceptance rates of asians even more. Framing the argument with respect to asians would be a good way to disguise this fact.
Of course we all know its scenario 1. More importantly I’ll save us 300 pages of debate. I’m an ass hole and that’s why I post this stuff. Everyone sleep well tonight.
With Dave Luscan MIA, we needed a resident social justice warrior to play the LR village idiot.
Barry, the job is yours!
Congrats!
Yeah. Trying to figure out why the left is making this all about white privilege and ignoring that rather inconvenient detail.
Is there any evidence that Sessions and the Justice Department are considering this inconvenient detail in any fashion? This all appears to be a point made by the author of the article, with no real indication that the Justice Department itself is either aware or intends to act upon it. At least from what I’ve read, there’s no clear picture of what Justice Department’s true intent may be.
We should be trying very hard to be color blind. Every fix we employ should be a color blind fix. Creating protected classes, gender, color, ethnicity, religion, obesity, whatever, is totally the wrong approach. Creating protected classes creates a whole host of it’s own problems, to include animosity towards the protected class, which is, of course, the ism that the idea was trying to fix.
We should be trying very hard to be color blind. Every fix we employ should be a color blind fix. Creating protected classes, gender, color, ethnicity, religion, obesity, whatever, is totally the wrong approach. Creating protected classes creates a whole host of it’s own problems, to include animosity towards the protected class, which is, of course, the ism that the idea was trying to fix.
I have a dream…
We should be trying very hard to be color blind. Every fix we employ should be a color blind fix. Creating protected classes, gender, color, ethnicity, religion, obesity, whatever, is totally the wrong approach. Creating protected classes creates a whole host of it’s own problems, to include animosity towards the protected class, which is, of course, the ism that the idea was trying to fix.
The real disadvantage is socioeconomic.
There’s a bumper sticker on my favorite walk/run route that makes me chuckle each time I go by the car.
WOMEN CAN STOP TRUMP
Imagine the fun if there had been a bumper sticker “Men can stop Hilary” or 4yrs previous “Whites can stop Obama”.
But no one gets excited about “women can stop Trump” or affirmative action here and there, because it’s only racism or gender-ism if it’s your protected class that is down. Racism, or whatever, is just fine if you’re attacking non-protected classes. Seems quite dishonest.
In reference to college admittance, I’m pretty damned impressed that the Asians are so stoic about getting the short end of this. That’s studly.
In spite of Barry's surity that it can only be our collective racism that would have this addressed, over 130 Asian-American orgs filed a complaint in 2016 to piggy-back on the 2015 complaint brought by more than 60, so it does not seem like ignoring these legitimate claims is the right path for any DOJ.
I’m not sure if this is the case in the US, but here, on almost every college application I filled out in 2001, every federal job application I filled out, every federal scholarship I applied for there was a box that said “are you a member of the First Nations or a visible minority group?”
That always struck me as really, really weird. Basically reads: “not white? Top of the pile for you…”
I believe everyone should be protected from discrimination based on skin color.
I find it crazy that that is a controversial position.
Glad to see my Barry whistle still works 
Scenario 1: The usual suspects are really concerned that asians are treated fairly when it comes to admissions standards, despite the fact that they have rarely, if ever, shown any concern for fair treatment among any other minority group.
Scenario 2: They are concerned about white people, knowing that changing the admission standards to reject race would ultimately increase white acceptance rates even though it will increase the acceptance rates of asians even more. Framing the argument with respect to asians would be a good way to disguise this fact.
Can I go with Scenario 3?
People who oppose affirmative action because of it’s inherent endorsement of race-based selection and promotion, rather than a merit-based system that takes into account individual accomplishments and circumstances, aren’t outraged over the idea that the Justice Department is evaluating it’s effect on everyone, and not just the positive effects on specific groups.
People tend to not cry tears for the effect it may have on Asian Americans, because by and large, they don’t complain about it and they tend to do very well regardless of how The Man tries to keep them down.
I wonder why that is?
Let me sum up even quicker:
Affirmative action is racist.
Except for when it isn’t.
Not that I take anything coming from this administration at face value, but FWIW:
“This Department of Justice has not received or issued any directive, memorandum, initiative, or policy related to university admissions in general,†she added. “The Department of Justice is committed to protecting all Americans from all forms of illegal race-based discriminations.â€
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students.
Late Tuesday, The New York Times reported that it obtained an internal DOJ job announcement that sought lawyers interested in a project on “investigations and possible litigation related to intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions.â€
While the notice doesn’t come right out and say which races and ethnicities are considered by the Trump administration as “at risk†for discrimination, the reported implication was that Jeff Sessions’ DOJ could go after affirmative action policies.
Those programs are meant to diversify campuses but The Times reported that the new effort could be used to sue universities over admissions that allegedly go too far and discriminate against white and Asian applicants.
Emphasis mine. I’m having a hard time squaring this with the exploding head reactions I’m seeing from my SJW friends and family.
aren’t outraged over the idea that the Justice Department is evaluating it’s effect on everyone, and not just the positive effects on specific groups.
How do you know this? The quote from the Justice Dept. that I can find is “investigations and possible litigation related to intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions.” I don’t know how you got from there to your quote above. Sorry for the repeat question from above, just wondering if you’ve found some more specific information leaked about what the Justice Dept. is really intending to do. Of if this is instead just what you’d like the Sphere Justice Department to do, not what the actual Justice Department intends to do.
they don’t complain about it
There was the literal complaint listed in the article in the OP.
And it’s not a complaint, but the Asian American community broadly supported the recent Supreme Court case regarding Affirmative Action at the University of Texas. Amicus briefs. 160+ Asian groups. Not nearly as meek and quiet as you suggest! (bit of stereotype)
they tend to do very well regardless of how The Man tries to keep them down.
There are certainly enclaves of Asians with very strong pro-education culture, particularly middle-class-and-above Chinese and Japanese. But others, like the Hmong, Pacific Islanders, Vietnamese, et al, don’t have the same representation in college, etc. And there are lots of those. Careful lumping lumping “Asian” into the pop-culture representation of the super-hard-working, quiet, respectful, academic over-achiever. Again, careful veering into stereotype.