Anyone using Motivator and Vantage?

These products are made by the folks who make Carbo-Pro.

A friend of mine, who is usually a skeptic about this kind of thing now swears by the products; he mentioned he took the Motivator 2 hours into a 3 hour run, and felt better finishing thethan when started it. Mentioned he took the Vantage right after, and the next day had NO soreness.

Curious, I ordered the product. Took the Vantage before my long ride yesterday, and then Motivator about the 2/3 mark, when I usually start feeling like crap. No miracles, no sudden Redbull effect, but I didn’t bottom out like I usually do, and ended up feeling okay at the end of the ride – lot better than I usually do. Not sure if I’m ready to unequivocally say it was these two products, as I was tweaking my nutrition and it felt better yesterday.

So who’s tried these products? What’s your experience? No, this is not a shill; I’m just curious about what people’s experiences have been, good and bad.

Anyone?