Another reason to dislike Starbucks

Not only do you have to use the Starbucks lingo when ordering a simple cup of $4 coffee, now you have to read the liberal crap printed on the cups.

Since when did Starbucks become an expert on subjects that don’t have anything to do with coffee?

Coffee with steam Some conservatives are angered by opinionated quotes that Starbucks puts on its cups.

By JAY CRIDLIN, Times Staff Writer
Published March 25, 2005

Moments after picking up a venti vanilla latte from a St. Petersburg Starbucks, Sam Maston removed his cup’s cardboard sleeve to inspect a message printed beneath.

“America’s national debt is now $7.5-trillion, and it’s skyrocketing, even as America’s population ages,” the cup read. “There will never be a better time to start paying off this crippling debt than today.”

The quote, from environmentalist Denis Hayes, didn’t faze the 29-year-old Maston.

“I’m a pretty hardcore Democrat,” said Maston, who wore a black rubber wristband bearing the words* I DID NOT VOTE 4 BUSH*. “I think they* should *put that stuff on there.”

Not everyone agrees.

The Seattle coffee chain has raised some eyebrows over its “The Way I See It” campaign, which prints quotes from thinkers, authors, athletes and entertainers on the side of your morning machiatto. The goal, according to the company, is to foster philosophical debate in its 9,000-plus coffeehouses.

The quotes aren’t all that inflammatory, though several mirror Starbucks’ hallmark tall-grande-venti pretentiousness. Take this one from film critic Roger Ebert: “A movie is not about what it is about. It is about how it is about it.”

The problem, critics say, is the company’s list of overwhelmingly liberal contributors, including Al Franken, Melissa Etheridge, Quincy Jones, Chuck D. Of the 31 contributors listed on Starbucks’ Web site, only one,* National Review *editor Jonah Goldberg, offers a conservative viewpoint.

Considering Starbucks sells millions of cups of coffee each day - some specialty drinks at $4 and up - it’s no surprise some customers have complained to Starbucks’ Web site, labeling the campaign “offensive” and the company a proponent of “the destruction of family values and virtues.”

“I want to enjoy your product without having Earth Day Network propaganda thrust at me,” wrote Malachi Salcido of East Wenatchee, Wash.

Yvette Nunez, a 27-year-old Republican from Tampa, said she hadn’t noticed the quotes on her weekly caramel machiattos. On “tall” cups, the text is obscured by a cardboard sleeve.

“There are a lot of great conservative quotes, but oh well,” she said. “I’m not surprised. I’m used to being under-represented.”

Starbucks’ founder and chairman, Howard Schultz, is a major Democratic campaign donor who last year gave $1,000 in Florida to Peter Deutsch’s failed U.S. Senate campaign.

Seth Hoffman, president of the Tampa Bay Young Republicans and an occasional Starbucks drinker, said he tries to avoid buying some “liberal” products, like Ben & Jerry’s ice cream. He said Starbucks should consider using more conservative voices, but if they don’t, he’s unlikely to stay away.

“I know about what the company does; I know what my money’s going to,” said Hoffman, 32. “For me, with Starbucks, it’s not what’s on the cup, but what’s in the cup.”

Company spokeswoman Valerie Hwang said the goal is not to stir up controversy. She said the company has lined up 60 contributors with “varying points of view, experiences and priorities” in an effort to promote “open, respectful conversation among a wide variety of individuals.”

Each cup also bears a caveat letting customers know that the quote is “the author’s opinion, not necessarily that of Starbucks.”

“The program is such that we’re not requiring our customers to read,” Hwang said, “but rather the quotes are there for our customers to discover and enjoy.”

The cups also refer customers to the campaign’s Web site, www.starbucks.com/wayiseeit where ordinary Joes can submit opinions for publication on a future cup. The site, as well as fliers available in each Starbucks store, encourage angry customers to lash out if they’re upset.

Plenty of conservatives may do so. But liberals? Maston, for one, shrugs off the cup-quote controversy, and suggests most Starbucks addicts will do the same.

“If I was that upset about what they put on there,” he said, “I wouldn’t come here.”

http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/csr.asp

Starbucks has never been just about the coffee.

"Contributing positively to our communities and environment is so important to Starbucks that it’s a guiding principle of our mission statement. We jointly fulfill this commitment with partners (employees), at all levels of the company, by getting involved together to help build stronger communities and conserve natural resources. "

You see, in the real world, there are some companies that believe that there is more to doing business than just making a buck.
The best part is that while they are being socially responsible they are still making mad $$$$.
I like companies like that, so when I’m deciding where my hard earned dollars go I choose places like that over places only concerened with their profits.

For more go to http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/csr.asp

Certainly your choice and I agree with your statement that companies should be stewards for worthwhile causes. However, when companies preach politics to the masses in the manner Starbucks does, it rubs people the wrong way.

Yu are just another example of the horrible job our school systems and media are doing of educating the public on economics.

You really think a company that charges $4 for a cup of frickin’ coffee and then donates a relative pittance of that amount to “our communities and environment” is not “only concerned with profits?”

They probably contirbute to those causes and put that BS on their cups because their demographics research shows it brings in more of the yuppies and Gen-Xers who buy into that whole mindset.

Pay $.25 for a cup of coffee and donate the other $3.75 to a worthy cause if you really want to do good. Otherwise, quit fooling yourself that you are being socially responsible by going to Starbucks.

**Otherwise, quit fooling yourself that you are being socially responsible by going to Starbucks. **

Hey, I’ve got to have some reason to justify that $2 cup of coffee. Besides ogling all of the hotties that come in.

$4 for “sugary milk with a dash of coffee”. What next $2 for water? Oh, wait. My bad.

Glad I never got into coffee. Bad breath, and I’d have to brush my teeth more often (A LOT) than when I chewed tobacco.

I find it strange that so many people buy something that is so easy to make. Heck, the coffee maker does everything itself … all you have to do is pour.

I don’t understand coffee drinkers nor the fuss made about coffee. Why not just grab a glass of juice and pop a 275mg caffeine pill?

You see, in the real world, there are some companies that believe that there is more to doing business than just making a buck.
The best part is that while they are being socially responsible they are still making mad $$$$.
I like companies like that, so when I’m deciding where my hard earned dollars go I choose places like that over places only concerened with their profits.

hypocrite

n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

 **haris **

Dec 22, 2004, 8:11 AM

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**Re: Fourth Time: Support the Troops **In reply to] **Quote | Reply ** He probably feels it’s wrong because it’s not exactly what he thinks.

I’ll say it, again. These bands are really stupid, as 7-Eleven makes more than USO does, so they should be called ‘Support 7-Eleven, we aren’t doing as well as we used to so we’ll appear all patriotic’ bands.

If you really want to support the troops, join. I hear they are hiring.

If you just want to help USO help those who are defending our freedom by invading Iraq, and don’t want to give $2 out of $3 collected to 7-11 here is how, from http://www.uso.org/pubs/8_18_23.cfm :

Donate By Phone Or Mail

To donate by phone, please call
1-800-876-7469. Customer service
representatives are standing by 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to accept your donations.

Or, send a tax-deductible donation to
help those defending our freedom. Make your check payable to the USO and mail it to:

USO World Headquarters
Department WS
PO Box 96860
Washington, DC 20090-6860

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adal for president!


I have a signature.

(This post was edited by haris on Dec 22, 2004, 8:13 AM)

Read what I posted.
I never said I drink Starbucks. Even if I did, why wouldn’t it be ok to pay $4 for a coffee (actually, coffee at Starbucks is around $1.50-$2) that I know origin of, I know that there was no slave labour involved in production of and I know some of that $4, however small, is going to go to causes I find worthy?

As for my schooling, I am not a product of US schooling system (thank $deity, could have turned out like you) and I follow US media strictly for entertainment purposes.

"You see, in the real world, there are some companies that believe that there is more to doing business than just making a buck.
The best part is that while they are being socially responsible they are still making mad $$$$.
I like companies like that, so when I’m deciding where my hard earned dollars go I choose places like that over places only concerened with their profits. "

So what your post should have said s that “The best part is that while they are being *what I find to be *socially responsible they are still making mad $$$$$$.”

You support Starbuck’s “socially responsible” programs because they fit with your beliefs, but you ridicule those companies that support programs that don’t fit “your definition of socially responsible.”

Hypocrite? I guess there’s the first time for everything.

I said that bands that 7-Eleven was selling are stupid and posted info on how to actually help US troops.
Even though I don’t agree with the war, etc., etc.

I also said
“I like companies like that, so when I’m deciding where my hard earned dollars go I choose places like that over places only concerened with their profits.”

I never said I drink Starbucks, did I?
Just that I like companies like Starbucks and chose them over companies that behave like Wal-Mart.

Starbucks isn’t on my list of coffee drinking places because it’s an US company, and there are Canadian companies providing a very similar product.

*“As for my schooling, I am not a product of US schooling system…” *

Well, since you are ashamed to show your real name and location in your profile, how was I supposed to know that?

“…(thank $deity, could have turned out like you)…”

And what is that supposed to mean? What do you think I am like?

I don’t know what you are like. You assumed stuff about me, I assumed stuff about you.

Sorry about the location issue, will fix that.

In 2004, Walmart contributed over $170 million to charities. In addition, Walmart workers contributed over 800,000 hours of volunteer time to their local communities. And, since you are so concerned about the troops, you’ll be glad to know that, in conjunction with the VFW, they donated 900,000 communication kits (which included calling cards and stationery supplies) to servicemembers to allow them to stay in touch with their families.

All this while charging a fair price for their product.

I like Peet’s better anyway.

“Well, since you are ashamed to show your real name and location in your profile”

No offense, but that’s pretty dumb. Lots of people don’t show personal info for security or other reasons. Also, if you’re going to tell someone they are an example of poor schooling, you should probably not make quite so many spelling mistakes in that post.

“We pledge to be a good corporate citizen in all the places we operate worldwide. We will maintain the highest ethical standards, obey all applicable laws and regulations, and respect local and national cultures. Above all other objectives, we are dedicated to running safe and environmentally responsible operations.”

Would you say that the company above is “socially responsible”?

Would it surprise you to know that the above statement is from ExxonMobil.

I have never had a starbucks in my life. It has nothing to do with their social responsibility. It has to be that I am to cheap(smart) to spend $4-5 dollars for a cup of coffee.

If you wish to patronize starbucks that is your right. Just as it is their right to promote a liberal agenda on their cups. If you are offended by the sayings on the cups don’t drink their product.

As another poster said, he doesn’t purchase ben & jerry’s. Neither do I, simply because I do not believe in their politics. Ben & Jerrys seem to be doing just fine without my business. I have no right to tell them what they can or cannot do with their business. If I cared I would buy stock and make my influence known in the boardroom.

I can hardly believe that a coffee company from Seattle would espouse any liberal politics. Shocked I tell you.

By the way, it sounds like it’s not a matter of lots of political sayings on cups (since there’s sayings about lots of other subjects too), but a matter of there not being enough conservative sayings to balance. I’ll say the same thing as I do to people who complain that some cable stations have too much violence, or some rap music has too many curses.

Don’t buy/read/watch that product.

You could have entitled your thread “Another reason to love freedom of speech”.

I heard Starbucks CEO speak at a lunch recently and he is truly an inspirational guy…a guy I’d love to have as a boss. He is 100% commited to the wellbeing of his employees and priovides full health care benefits, profit sharing, above average wages etc.

He dressed down a whole room full of CEOs for not treating their employees properly, it was great.

As for the quotes…I have a nice Quincy Jones one on mine this morning…no problem with it at all…nor do I have a problem with the owner of In N Out Burger putting bible verses on his cups.

Does anyone here actually disagree with this statement?

“America’s national debt is now $7.5-trillion, and it’s skyrocketing, even as America’s population ages,” the cup read. “There will never be a better time to start paying off this crippling debt than today.”