Anne Haug - Wow, what a level of commitment!

Yours and other comments suggested she doesn’t need it. My experience tells me otherwise.

It’s movember this month and whilst that’s focussed on men’s health, the majority of posters on here are men, so I’ll say this. If you know Anne personally, and your comment is specific to her then I’m realy surprised that sort of thing is being shared by you in a fully open thread. If it’s not then it underlines my earlier point that it’s not about how you think you as an individual you would respond, or how some others you know, but mental wellbeing is built upon the shape of an individual’s foundations. There is no one size fits all. And so for anyone that has a good training buddy, then make time for a real conversation on this stuff with them over the coming 3 weeks. Give your buddy that space to feel that they can share and either talk through what is working and what isn’t. And do the same back. As guys we are really really shitty at this stuff. But then do that in a way that stays between the two of you. Do this now when hopefully there are no issues, so that if (when) in teh future one of you isn’t in a great space, then it will be a lot easier for that conversation to happen.

But don’t forget, there is no one right or wrong, and it’s not about judging someone else’s life. It’s about showing an interest to learn and let them talk it through to perhaps enable a bit of a self check as you speak it out loud.

I have no idea what Anne does or doesn’t do. My comments were more directed at others championing the idea that all she does is work and how great that is. I fully recognize that everyone achieves balance differently but firmly believe everyone needs a healthy work-life balance. My point was made and no need to belabor it any more.

I think what you are confusing (or conflating) is that one can’t get balance out of what they do for work. For example, if Anne goes for a swim, the assumption is that he is not balanced. When I leave at lunch time and my team sees me going for a swim, they think I have balance. In reality, I might be more balance then I come back to what I get paid for and work on a new algorithm or biz stategy with one of the guys who thought I was getting balance going for a swim. I might be getting ready for masters nationals and I did not hit my interval times and feel stressed about that, and then I come back and work on that algorithm getting into major creative mode and get completely energized, Whereas, Anne goes for a swim and she just suddenly felt something special on her catch and got completely stoked. On other days, let’s say I am preparing for a major proposal and its sucking and I go for swim and just get my streamline perfect off the wall and that energizes me.

Isn’t it all situational? We can get balance out of all aspects of our lives. One day, I have an awersome outing with my wife at the cafe. Another day, we have an disagreement and I have to cool off and going to the office and immersing myself in a spreadsheet or discussing strategy for a product launch is what I need for my personal balance.

Revenue generating part of life does not inherently “unbalance us” and neither does non revenue generating time. But its all life. People talk about work like it is a bad thing and as if it is not part of life. Anne appears to have the balance that works for her. We’re just juding her with our personal filters but our filters don’t matter.

Yours and other comments suggested she doesn’t need it. My experience tells me otherwise.

It’s movember this month and whilst that’s focussed on men’s health, the majority of posters on here are men, so I’ll say this. If you know Anne personally, and your comment is specific to her then I’m realy surprised that sort of thing is being shared by you in a fully open thread. If it’s not then it underlines my earlier point that it’s not about how you think you as an individual you would respond, or how some others you know, but mental wellbeing is built upon the shape of an individual’s foundations. There is no one size fits all. And so for anyone that has a good training buddy, then make time for a real conversation on this stuff with them over the coming 3 weeks. Give your buddy that space to feel that they can share and either talk through what is working and what isn’t. And do the same back. As guys we are really really shitty at this stuff. But then do that in a way that stays between the two of you. Do this now when hopefully there are no issues, so that if (when) in teh future one of you isn’t in a great space, then it will be a lot easier for that conversation to happen.

But don’t forget, there is no one right or wrong, and it’s not about judging someone else’s life. It’s about showing an interest to learn and let them talk it through to perhaps enable a bit of a self check as you speak it out loud.

I have no idea what Anne does or doesn’t do. My comments were more directed at others championing the idea that all she does is work and how great that is. I fully recognize that everyone achieves balance differently but firmly believe everyone needs a healthy work-life balance. My point was made and no need to belabor it any more.

I think what you are confusing (or conflating) is that one can’t get balance out of what they do for work. For example, if Anne goes for a swim, the assumption is that he is not balanced. When I leave at lunch time and my team sees me going for a swim, they think I have balance. In reality, I might be more balance then I come back to what I get paid for and work on a new algorithm or biz stategy with one of the guys who thought I was getting balance going for a swim. I might be getting ready for masters nationals and I did not hit my interval times and feel stressed about that, and then I come back and work on that algorithm getting into major creative mode and get completely energized, Whereas, Anne goes for a swim and she just suddenly felt something special on her catch and got completely stoked. On other days, let’s say I am preparing for a major proposal and its sucking and I go for swim and just get my streamline perfect off the wall and that energizes me.

Isn’t it all situational? We can get balance out of all aspects of our lives. One day, I have an awersome outing with my wife at the cafe. Another day, we have an disagreement and I have to cool off and going to the office and immersing myself in a spreadsheet or discussing strategy for a product launch is what I need for my personal balance.

Revenue generating part of life does not inherently “unbalance us” and neither does non revenue generating time. But its all life. People talk about work like it is a bad thing and as if it is not part of life. Anne appears to have the balance that works for her. We’re just juding her with our personal filters but our filters don’t matter.

We can get balance out of ALL aspects of our lives.

Just underscored my point.

Not a great sign that this 5 month old video is only now getting noticed on a triathlon forum.

I’m still just trying to figure out why she’s at the Olympic training center but riding on a mini-resistance bike trainer in a gym stacked with $$$$ equipment! (Likely for good photoshoot lighting I’m guessing, but if she trains on that regularly, wtf!)

(I’ve previously owned and used that trainer as well - it works, but the lack of inertia when you slow your pedalstroke is really noticeable so it feels really weird for awhile.)

My wife said it was the happiest she had seen me all year vs my regular life with endless obligations between my professional life and family stuff (the latter is not much, but when I get dragged into family events like weddings vs going to a race or swim meet, I am generally dragging my feet to fulfill obligations for others). I’m 58 so done my share of bullshit obligations for the world. Most of those wedding end up being a gigantic waste of time as they end in divorce anyway, and then the person who invited you wants to cry on your shoulders too!!!

So absolutely and totally true!

My past gets bigger and bigger while my future shrinks - I regret having lost too much time doing “their” thing instead of “my” thing.

never going to have kids, a normal family or even a relationship, etc. I am afraid that she’s looking at a very very lonely life.

Normal family?? Just because you want those things, doesn’t mean everybody in life does. Some of us are quite happy without kids.

Not a great sign that this 5 month old video is only now getting noticed on a triathlon forum.

Perhaps it is 5 months old but I just saw it for the first time the day I posted it here when it was labeled as just released. Anne shows the most monastic commitment to training that I’ve ever seen by a long shot.

The thing with “balance” is that it has a very different meaning for everyone and differ at the different times in our lives too. What seems like a balanced life for you might not be a balanced life for other folks.

Back in my 20s I quit a very mediocre u23 racing career to focus on school and career. It was the right balance for me at the time until I got in my mid 30s, then it wasn’t anymore and got back into the sport. I can’t predict what a balanced life will be in the future.

We can’t really comment whether she is balanced or not. She does seem happy in all her interviews but that could not be accurate, we simply don’t know.

The thing with “balance” is that it has a very different meaning for everyone and differ at the different times in our lives too. What seems like a balanced life for you might not be a balanced life for other folks.

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I have known a lot of high performing women in the Ultra-World who do not fit into what is considered “normal”.They are in their own solo world and are happy to be there and thriving with no need nor want for a partner or kids.

I don’t often throw out the gender thing but I wonder what the reaction would be if the athlete in question was male? Would the conversation be different?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDuHgep20c4

Seventeen years without a holiday is above and beyond committed.

That was a good video, thank you for sharing. I always find ‘day in the life’ of athletes quite interesting.

The “seventeen years without a holiday” quote from the video has a slightly different meaning the way it’s expressed in the video.
In the context of the video she’s saying she had a “normal life before” and she chooses to live the way she is living.

The way I understand it, she’s saying she realises it’s a privilege to be a professional athlete and that she’s enjoying it. To me it sounds like a healthy way of seeing things.

I obviously understand that being paid to do a hobby makes it quite a different thing but at the end of the day it still is a privilege and a choice.

One thing that is remarkable is that she is living in the German Olympic village. Most long course athletes in other countries seem to be in very distant relationships with the Olympic federation.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

so do tell us how your personal definition of what a balance life is and how the 7 billion other people on the planet, from different countries, cultures, and lifestyles, should adhere to it so that they can have a happy life just like you. I’m sure all those that don’t live by your definition of balance are having mental breakdowns left and right.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

so do tell us how your personal definition of what a balance life is and how the 7 billion other people on the planet, from different countries, cultures, and lifestyles, should adhere to it so that they can have a happy life just like you. I’m sure all those that don’t live by your definition of balance are having mental breakdowns left and right.

Again, I don’t have a definition.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

so do tell us how your personal definition of what a balance life is and how the 7 billion other people on the planet, from different countries, cultures, and lifestyles, should adhere to it so that they can have a happy life just like you. I’m sure all those that don’t live by your definition of balance are having mental breakdowns left and right.

Again, I don’t have a definition.

If you don’t have a definition, then how were you able to say early in this thread that she does not have work life balance. I believe this is the point we are all trying to make. Each person has their own definition for themselves, and it is no one elses’ business how each person makes their own balance happen.

If you say you don’t have a definition and say she has no balance, then you’re just being a troll on this thread, and I know you are not that, You ARE projecting your defintion on HER by saying she does not have balance. We don’t need to know your defintion, but based on what you personally define and have not disclosed you said she does not have balance. Maybe its as simple as your definition of balance is not what she is doing, but she is not trying to balance YOUR life, she is trying to balance hers.

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

so do tell us how your personal definition of what a balance life is and how the 7 billion other people on the planet, from different countries, cultures, and lifestyles, should adhere to it so that they can have a happy life just like you. I’m sure all those that don’t live by your definition of balance are having mental breakdowns left and right.

Again, I don’t have a definition.

This was actually an interesting thread until the guy who doesn’t speak for DFW chimed in…Anne hang doesn’t need your biased judgement…just stay in your lane dude. She might think your life is sad…but my guess is she’d never say so publicly…

I think you are trying to inject your definition of balance into her life, as if to imply that your definition is more valid than hers.

For you, balance could mean taking the kids to school, go to work, and see/talk to friends all the time. For people living off the grid in Alaska, balance is finding animals to kill, fixing some projects around the homestead, and see neighbors/friends/another human once every 3 months. Anne may not have balance by your definition, but perhaps in her mind, she has a more balanced life than you.

Your definition of a balance life and hers can both be true. What’s the percentage of people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle are getting burned out (i.e., ny household chores, financial stress of owning a mortgage, kids education costs, and etc), having mental issues, and having broken relationships somewhere? My guess is that it’s about the same as hers.

The divorce rate for people living by your definition of a balanced lifestyle is very high compared to hers. Hers is 0% since her definition of a balanced lifestyle doesn’t include marriage. Which is a better definition? It’s a matter of perspective. Neither should feel sorry for the others.

Nope. I don’t have such a definition.

so do tell us how your personal definition of what a balance life is and how the 7 billion other people on the planet, from different countries, cultures, and lifestyles, should adhere to it so that they can have a happy life just like you. I’m sure all those that don’t live by your definition of balance are having mental breakdowns left and right.

Again, I don’t have a definition.

This was actually an interesting thread until the guy who doesn’t speak for DFW chimed in…Anne hang doesn’t need your biased judgement…just stay in your lane dude. She might think your life is said…but my guess is she’d never say so publicly…

Fair. Let me clarify. If you actually read my posts, I never said that Anne Haug is a sad person. So, stop right there. I’ve said several times above I have no idea what she does or doesn’t do. I am trying to say that those that I am saddened when people cannot achieve a work-life balance—whatever that may be for them. There is no definition of work life balance that works for everyone so the argument that I don’t have the answers for 7+ billion people in the planet is likewise ridiculous. if you read my posts above I never said there’s a magic formula. But, I firmly believe that it’s something other than 100% work, 0% time off. I’ve seen too often what that looks like for some individuals and it’s not good.

If you don’t think a discussion of work life balance is an interesting topic/debate then you are welcome to not participate. I’m bowing out of this thread. All of you can continue to discuss whatever suits you.

Maybe if she had taken regular brakes, she would be a better athlete. At least that is what training literature says.

Some of us are quite happy without kids.

DINK’s 4 life
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Maybe if she had taken regular brakes, she would be a better athlete.

Finally, proof that disks and electronic shifting are bad for the sport.