All I know is that when I did the Honolulu Marathon a few years ago, I felt sorry for the thousands on naive runners who didn’t bring any supplements and had to chug down amino vital (either that or water on the course). Dont’ know if they’ve improved the taste since then, but it truly was nasty, with a severe metallic aftertaste. My hammer gel and endurolytes got me through but woe to those people out there for more than 4 hours…
Yeah buddy!! Ya don’t want to be around me after I have just finished three weeks of 20+ hours and am ready (i.e. in desperate need) for full recovery mode. That said, I just had to call bullshit on this one, though. On the other hand, I figure I can’t lose, cause if Tri27 is a legit, but clueless, endurance athlete, then I got a great case for Jackass of the week. Can I sincerely apologise, now that is an interesting question.
tri27,
Hello…?
Did you take your ball and go home?
No…really, I want to hear more. This is all so entertaining.
I think Tri27 could only come out to the playground for just the one day. So sad.
Have you ever met the marketing people from Amino vital? They give you so much information. I actually like to know what is going into my body, but most of that information was taken from scientific data and a brochure they sent me.
Just a heads up that Amino Vital is also going to be the official drink at the Georgia half in a few days. Setup’s info page says they’ll provide AV, water, coke, oranges, endurolytes, pretzels, hammer gel at run aid stations. So be prepared to drink coke/water or bring something with you. I, for one, am not going to be experimenting with a low calorie amino acid supplement during the closing hours of an endurance event.
Bite the big one! Don’t be such a jerk. I was answering the question at hand - which was “what is amino vital’s purpose?” I did not say it shouldn’t be used with other things. I use GU, but that is even besides the point of your arrogance. You don’t like it don’t use it buddy. I was just giving my opinion.
If you nominate me Jackass of the Week, I gladly accept. So while you are there in pain from training, I am Jackas of the Week and feeling at least decent. Here is some additional information for you to act like a sissy about - BCAAs prevent increased serotonin levels. This is why you do not get as tired while using it with a carb source.
By the way, I am not in marketing or an employee of Ajinomoto - just someone who believes in the product.
Nice objective plug. I am familiar with Ajinomoto. I used to work for a company that made nutritional products for people with liver and kidney disorders/disease. As everyone is learning in the multisport world recently, covering up the metallic aftertaste of amino acids can be a real bitch. Whose amino acid it is, is irrelevant. - So you prefer the chalky after taste that contaminates your breath while competing. Great! Go for it!
**Yeah, yeah, yeah, damage control for the rumours that aspartame causes brain cancer, let’s not insult the forum. On the other hand, if we should be more educated by not believing everything we hear at events, how does your spiel differ from an event. You come on as Joe Schmoo triathlete, first day ever on this forum, totally anonymous and really touting the company banner. A little reality check here. -**Sounds like paranoia running amuck in never-neverlad.
BTW, it is phenylalanine. Phenalalanyline, if it does exist, really does sound carcinogenic. That’s what you get for getting basic/scientific information from a marketing person. - Phenalalanyline is an essential amino acid which again is taken in from food sources. It exists and you have probably been taking it in all along and never knew it.
Ohh, by the way, I don’t have any affiliation with Amino Vital except that I have been using it for some time. I have been browsing this site for some time and decided to reply to something that I wsa excited to see others using. Sorry that everyone had to endure the all mighty know it all parkito.
My understanding is that Amino Vitale is strictly to replace amino acids…what you get from eating protein in various forms. I don’t know how much hype it is or whether it works. I did get a very informative email from a San Diego Tri club member and also a Ph D in chemistry/biology. In the email he talked about bio builde and what a sham it was and the lack of any scientific studies. That got me thinking about amino vitale and its worth as a “protein” supplement. I tried the stuff and hate the taste. so, I decided to keep on eating the balanced diet, take my tried and true supplements which I have personally tested on me and they work and use a lot of soy protein in smoothies for post workout recovery drinks and that seems to work fine.
The price for Amino Vitale is very high in my estimation too.
thats my two cents.
Jonathan
Bite the big one! Don’t be such a jerk. (Really, I can’t help it.) I was answering the question at hand - which was “what is amino vital’s purpose?” I did not say it shouldn’t be used with other things. I use GU, but that is even besides the point of your arrogance. You don’t like it don’t use it buddy. I was just giving my opinion.
AV’s purpose seems to be in direct conflict for use in endurance events based on the other posts, was my point. You are supporting AV and imply it helps you during your activities in contrast to the other posts. What activities do you do that AV benefits you? It is just a simple question.
If you nominate me Jackass of the Week, I gladly accept. So while you are there in pain from training, I am Jackas of the Week and feeling at least decent. Here is some additional information for you to act like a sissy about - BCAAs prevent increased serotonin levels. This is why you do not get as tired while using it with a carb source.
A) I was going to nominate myself for the Jackass award, not you, if I was wrong about your purpose/intentions. You need to see TriBiGuy’s thread on Jackass of the Week Award (if you were on the forum for more than a day you would have probably seen it). B) It may increase serotonin levels so that you might not feel as tired, but without carbos or something for fuel, you will bonk eventually (sooner rather than later). Otherwise you are employing it to act like a drug. Think about it, is that really what you want to be doing? C) I just finished three weeks at 20+ hours per week, who’s a sissy?
By the way, I am not in marketing or an employee of Ajinomoto - just someone who believes in the product.
Sorry, but you come across like a company man, with little additional information than what is in the company brochures. I didn’t see anything of value in your original post except for a lot of handwaving.
So you prefer the chalky after taste that contaminates your breath while competing. Great! Go for it!
Yep, I really worry about fresh breath five hours into a race. And no, I don’t like the taste of any of the protein/amino acid containing fueling products I have tried so far. But the alternative is to blow up and die.
** -**Sounds like paranoia running amuck in never-neverlad.
No, you brought up the web references for aspartame. It had urban legends about brain tumours in the late 80’s when it first came out. As for Never-neverland, I got kicked out after first grade.
BTW, it is phenylalanine. Phenalalanyline, if it does exist, really does sound carcinogenic. That’s what you get for getting basic/scientific information from a marketing person. - Phenalalanyline is an essential amino acid which again is taken in from food sources. It exists and you have probably been taking it in all along and never knew it.
**I do not take phenalalanyline. I do not know what phenalalanyline is. Google it for yourself (there’s an idea, do your own research what a concept) if you care to. **
There are twenty amino acids commonly found in the human body, of which eight are called essential on a nutritional basis because the human body can not manufacture them, or at least not in sufficient quantities. Phenylalanine is one of the eight essentials. I’ll list the other 19 if you want and phenal-whatever won’t be one of them. Get away from those marketing people before they rot the rest of your brain!
Ohh, by the way, I don’t have any affiliation with Amino Vital except that I have been using it for some time. I have been browsing this site for some time and decided to reply to something that I wsa excited to see others using. Sorry that everyone had to endure the all mighty know it all parkito.
Why thank you, thank you very much. However, you should really apologize to my wife as she has to endure far more than any ST’ers here. Now, I really don’t want to shut you down, you absolutely have a right to post and comment here, even if you are a full fledged bona fide company man for Amino Vittles or American Motors or whatever. I am just calling you out as to what your relationship to this product is and your basis for such a glowing report. To regurgitate a product’s marketing claims without any additional information or frame of reference is boring in the least, and nauseating in general.
Really, if you can back your comments up, then I am out of line. And truth be told, my tone is more than a touch snide, alright it’s downright bordering on rude. FIne, it’s obnoxious. In which case I really could nominate myself for JAotW. Give me a shot Tri27, my fate is in your hands, a chance to be right up there behind Demerly (the slacker) in history forever.
don’t sweat parkito - he/she is just having some fun, albeit somewhat at your expense. but you have to admit that your first post sounded just like an amino vital infomercial.
Exhibit A:
“I generally use one pack of Fast Charge before I begin my workout, consume 2 packs of their Mix-and-Shake product during, and then one pack of Fast Charge afterwards. I feel focused during my workouts and great afterwards. With Amino Vital, I am able to push myself harder. Thus I am getting better faster.”
Exhibit B:
“By the way, I love the taste. Check them out at your next event. Amino Acids help tremendously with my muscle recovery as I am sure they will with your too.”
That is what Parkito, Dre, myself and Im sure others picked up on, plus the fact that this was your first post. I absolutely assumed you were a AV mole. FWIW, I got a free 2 month supply of the regular powder stuff. I used it just as hydration at work instead of club soda or water. I didnt use it to exercise based on its lack of other IMO key ingredients. I will admit that I did come to associate the product with a “feel good” sensation, BCAAs at work or placebo I don’t know, but not enough in any event to justify the price.
Hey Parkito, I’ll be your straight man:
I just Googled phenalalanyline. I got no hits. What gives?
“don’t sweat parkito - he/she is just having some fun, albeit somewhat at your expense. but you have to admit that your first post sounded just like an amino vital infomercial.”
Aaw John, thanks for outing me. I gotta have some entertainment.
In all seriousness, I could see the rationale for the BCAAs, I have read the same arguments for Accelerade among others. But in Tri27’s original post, the argument was presented as taking AV to prevent feelings of tiredness, with no indication of any additional fuel source. Protein (amino acids) can be used for metabolism, but it is not efficient and leads to excessive circulating nitrogen levels, not good (where is YaquiCarbo when we need him anyway?). Heck, if you just don’t want to feel tired, why don’t we just start taking stimulants. Meth -amphetamine anyone??
And it is he, she would be parkita 
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I just Googled phenalalanyline. I got no hits. What gives?
Read the fine print:
Phenylalanine is real
Phenalalanyline is a misspelling (big time) and doesn’t exist (at least not yet).
About half the marketing people I have known would never notice the difference. Thankfully, the other half would. Another telling insight on Tri27’s info in my opinion.
Sorry, tried to use a larger type but it didn’t come through.
Sometimes ya just gotta look harder. 