American Zofingen Recon Ride Report

Took a ride down to New Paltz this morning to check out the bike. New Paltz is a nice little town and when I rolled in I remembered being there before. A former girlfriend and I went down to visit some wineries and I remembered that while we were driving around I had remarked it would be fun to ride some of the climbs there. Well today I got my chance. They even have a place in town (Mexacali Blues, yes this seems a little bit like a hippy town to me) that sells fish tacos. Sweet. I was in a hurry, and I had some homemade chicken Tikka Masala in my car (ladies I can cook too), so no tacos after the ride today. Anyway, the ride.

I parked in town, just off of 299 (make a left at the Groovy Blueberry, just before the small bridge after you drive throught town) on a side street. Don’t drive up to the Mohonk preserve to park, unless you want to pay $10. The lot also may be full anyway, since the Mohonk is one of the premier rock climbing spots in the USA.

Rode out 299 from town. I pass Butterfield road on my right which is where you make the right hand turn from, onto 299 as you near the finish of a loot, so I am now on the course. 299 has no shoulder and gets a good bit of traffic, so not great for riding, but this is the only part of the course with no shoulder and/or much traffic of any kind. Up to the 44/55 intersection the road is sort of a stairstep climb (like the ride from Whiteface back to town at Placid), with flats and sections of 3-4% grade. Not too bad. When I got to 44/55 I knew I was on the course so that is where I started my lap. There is a little Deli/store here and it is the only place on the loop to buy anything, so if you need water/gatorade, this is where to get it.

Start up route 44/55 3-5% grade and the Mohonk preserve (the actual transition area) is about 1/2 mile in. Soon a 180 switchback. After about 8 minutes the climb crests and there are some down hill sections as you climb to the real crest an Minnewaka state park. It takes 21 minutes to hit the park. Now a long somewhat windy downhill, easily 40 mph, great views of the valley. Several miles and then the road sweeps to the right about 90 degrees. Maybe a mile to the first turn (Granite Rd), this is a 180 turn so better slow down.

Granite is long and meandering mostly flat, only saw one car in 5 or 6 miles. Road ends at a stop sign and you make a right onto Towpath. Road narrows a bit a few hills up and down. Kind of desolate, but cool scenery (This is where you would expect to see headless horsemen). This road winds quite a bit, so you need to pay attention. Again only one car in 5-6 miles. It ends at Rt 6 and you make a right.

Route 6 is basically about six miles of climbing, with the last 2-3 miles a steady 6-7% grade with a few 8% spots maybe. By the top of the climb I was working a little bit riding the 25 and out of the saddle. Max heart rate was only 152, but for three times up this, a 27 or compact cranks would be a good idea. Creat at the Mountain house. Couple of miles of steep winding descent. Then a stop sign (on a pretty steep grade, be carefull) and right onto Butterfield, mostly flat back to 299, where you do the stairstep climb back to the start of the loop.

It took 1:36. I raced an Olympic distance yesterday hard (so I was tired when I started the ride) and did not push the ride today, but I think three laps at this pace would be a very respectable bike split. I decided to do the climb back up to the state park one more time, to see how it feels the second time. Feels a little harder this time and it takes 22 minutes (+1 minute). Ride all the way back to town, for a total of 2:44 (roughly half the climbing, so say 3500’ on the day). A recovery day Dev Paul would be proud of.

Thoughts.

27 or compact cranks good idea.

Need to ride the first lap very easy.

There is only one longer climb (2-3 miles on rt 6), everthing else is shorter 3-6 minute climbs with flats or downhills mixed in.

A road bike with clip-ons might be better than a tri bike. There is a lot of fast descending and the course is relatively meandering. My Cervelo is about 3 pounds lighter than my road bike and stiffer in the bottom bracket, so I will be riding a tri bike if I race.

Very scenic, road surface is good.

New Paltz looks like a cool place to visit.

Thanks for posting your recon ride .

Compared to Timberman, is the climbing tougher.?
I’ve been trail running so I’m somewhat contemplating on pulling the trigger for this race.

Mexicali Blues is a good joint,but, the Thai place on the main drag of New Paltz is waaay better.
Dude! Tikki Masala, I’m impressed. Love Indian food.

Nothing is a steep as the steep parts of Timberman. I would say pretty much 6% is as steep as it gets, except for like two really short stretches 50 - 100 ft, that could be like 8%, where timberman had a couple steep climbs like 100m - 200m at 9-10%.

Tri-Yoda…are the steepest parts steeper than the first half of Whiteface. Are you in for Canadian Zofingen, as you have numerous groupies who would like to be graced by your presence.

How did the Saratoga Olympic Tri go ? by the way, as a recovery day from my Esprit Half Ironman, I rode 20 min to the Ottawa river, swam for 40 min and rode 20 min home. You would be proud that I actually did less than 2 hours of training the day after a race :slight_smile:

Nothing as tough as Whiteface.

I got fifth at Saratoga Lake. About 2 minutes away from the win. I really need to see the results. The swim was really long (like 300m or more long). I did a 29:14, about 4-5 minutes off what I expected and I felt like I swam well. Everyone agreed the swim was really long. At least I smoked the hilly 10K and may have gone under 36:00 (the run course is pretty accurate, I measured it), but I need to see the splits. I heard the winner, swam like 22:00 or 23:00 (some kid from West Point, they had like 20 cadets). It stings to smoke the bike and run and have your swim (I’m not that bad a swimmer, usually upper 30% or so), cost you a win, and only end up 3rd in your AG in front of the home crowd. I t also sucks, because if the swim was the right distance, I still might not have won, but I would have lost a bit less time and at least been podium. So I got fifth place OA, two weeks in a row. This is nothing to be ashamed off, but both races had way long swims. The long swims cost me more, as the guys who beat me were all aces in the water. Last week was a 1/4 miles swim, with the fastest guy out in 6:20. I missed podium by 30 seconds, lost 2:30 on the swim to the winner. I guess that is what swimming once a week gets you.

Tri-yoda…great race ending with a sub 36. That is smoking.

As for winning, the only way to win is to solid in all three sports or cherry pick a race that there are no studs at. Unless you are top 5% in all three, it is pretty hard to net a win anywhere !

need to bump this…

John, will you be posting an entry list once the race is full? Where?

Are there any groups or individuals planning on training on the course in the next week or so?? I’m looking at a brick of 2 loops and a run. I’m downstate in Queens and will probably do something late this week or early next; only riding is flat down here. I can’t do this weekend due to a local run. I am not sure what I will average for pace on the bike,I did SOS bike leg in 1:47 so that is about 17 MPH, but I think this course is much tougher and I’m not sure what that will translate to in pace.

Second Question: I sent in application snail mail before short course was added. Do you need to opt in advance for one or the other or do you announce your distance at check-in??

I’ll be back from Australia on September 30th, and would be happy to organize a group training workout so that I can show you the exact run course as well as the bike. After I return, I’ll post the entry list. As far as jumping between SC and LC, we’re flexible, but only LC will qualify for Team USA for 2006 Du LC Worlds in Fredericia, Denmark.

Is the run ALL trails? It looks like I am in for this now as well… Just trying to select appropriate footwear.

It is all trail runs. There’s some grassy field, then on each loop 4 steep, rocky and rooty run ups connected by not too steep, wide, crushed shale carriage path descents. It’s demanding, but safe, without any kamikaze descents. It’s a 5.15 mile meandering loop that passes the aid station twice in the middle of it. Good luck!

Hey John,

If somebody signs up for the short course, what is the deadline to letcha know if they decide to sack up and do the long course instead? I saw that the registration fee is the same either way.

If the timing people have no objection, I’m fine with you showing up at 7 am for the LC start, and switching right then and there. Maybe a couple of SC entries will get inspired the night before or morning of and go for it. I’m all for that!

Tetsoni/John…too bad you missed the Cdn Zofingen yesterday. Final Stats running was 2055 ft vertical over 21K and biking was 5355 ft over 90K. Lots of fun was had by all.

How far is your event from Larchmont NY (Westchester). There is a slim chance that I might make a trip, but I would like to tie it into a visit to my sister’s to see my nephews and niece.

Dev

I’m sure I would have really enjoyed Canadian Zofingen. Hopefully we’ll both have our events in 2006 and can each do both. Larchmont is 90 minutes to the race site. It’d be great if you could make it. JM

John, are you going to post the bike course directions? I’m thinking I will do a recon ride/run for myself this weekend, and would like to know the course. I see the run-course directions on your site, but no bike course directions. Thanks.

John-

Just wondering if you are still planning to organize a training ride on the course. If it’s on, I’d love to participate, so I just wanted to make sure I knew when it was, so I can clear my schedule.

Also, curious if you were still going to post a list of participants…

Thanks… Really looking forward to the race!

Jordan & Murph-

I checked out the bike course last week.Fairly steep descents at the start(not like Keene at LP though) ,mostly rollers then lots of climbing .Not any steeper than T-Man was.Great views.
I’m more concerned about the 16.5 trail run after the bike.

Most definitely a “Quad-Buster & twist your Achilles Festival”.

I’m sick as a dog at the moment and I can’t see myself surviving the LC race.Perhaps the SC if I feel recovered enough.

Fish

PS: I have a feeling this race might garner a reputation as the North American version of the Norseman(w/o the frigid swim).
Its going to be tough out there.

You really think it’s not any steeper than T-man? That’s interesting, the profile that was posted previously made it look much much worse.

<< I’m more concerned about the 16.5 trail run after the bike. >>

You and me both. That’d be my longest ever run (on hilly trails no less), preceeded by my 2nd longest ever ride. Part of why the short course version is appealing to my wussiness more and more… :wink: That, and the fact that I could fish the SC version, and still have time (and energy) to do some rock climbing afterwards.

Feel better, I’ll see ya there. Just gotta double-ck w/ the Boss to make sure I/we don’t have any prior engagements for that day (pumpkin picking, family b-days, etc etc etc), and I’m in.

John, this weekend at the Canadian Zofingen we put the long run first. Why ? Since it was a training event, I wanted to make sure that everyone finished. The long run had 2000 ft of climbing over 17K. It was not super technical, but it was very tough. I did not want anyone doing it on totally trashed legs. Plus, I wanted to make sure that no one got lost since the course was not set up with signs (it was a training event after all).

In any even, after we were done, there were a whole whack of folks who REALLY liked doing the long run first and then only having a short run at the end. They REALLY liked the format mentally. They could kill their legs on the long run to open the day, but still survive OK on the bike and then only had a short run to mentally look forward to.

For a real event, this would also reduce drafting concerns on course.

Food for thought.

Dev