I know he is the Messiah and all, but lets try to get just alittle perspective.
Barrack Hussien Obama is not the United States of America. Whether he is POTUS for 4 years or God forbid, 8 years, the USA will still exist once that long legged mack daddy is religated to the history books.
What is good for BHO is not necessarily good for the USA
What is bad for BHO is not necessarily bad for the USA
Therefore, if a person truly believes that BHO’s policies will harm the USA, it is not a bad thing for that person to hope that BHO fails.
Nothing above is meant as a personal attack against BHO. Even the snide comment about him being the Messiah is more a shot at the media and his followers rather than the person himself. For all I know, he may be a very good man with very good intention. For all I know, he may be the devil incarnate. I don’t pretend to know. But I can reasonably look at his policies and make a decision that they are fucked up and hope like hell they fail.
This is the part I don’t understand. Why do you hope they fail? This statement says to me that you will be happier if his policies fail than if they succeed. If they fail, the US will not recover from this recession for a long, long time, so what you are hoping for will, in effect, keep the economy down.
I could understand it if you said that you “anticipate” that they will fail or that you “fear” that they will fail, but “hoping” that they fail is a whole different thing. That makes it sound like you are happy if President Obama fails and hence the US economy as well. I don’t think that is true for most people who are criticizing President Obama, but that’s how it comes across.
Okay, one more time. I truly believe that if he does not fail and succeeds in implementing his policies, we will be far worse off. The recession will turn into a deeper depression.
So here it is.
If he fails and nothing is done, we have a recession that will last 1 to 2 more years.
If he succeeds and implements what he proposes, we have a deeper depression that last maybe 5 or more years.
Are either of the above desirable, hell no. But sometimes you have hope for the lesser of 2 evils.
If they fail, the US will not recover from this recession for a long, long time, so what you are hoping for will, in effect, keep the economy down.
Your statement is assuming that if his policies succeed that the economy will turn around quickly. No one can say for sure that either failure or success of his policies will cause either event to happen. Historically if you look back at the policies put in place by the first Roosevelt administration they pushed the U.S. back into recession in the last few years of the 30’s and it wasn’t until WW2 that our economy became prosperous again. So if history repeats we will see that this downturn could last a long long time based on the success of BHO’s policies.
**but lets try to get just alittle perspective. **
I think the best perspective would be to stop creating a new Obama thread every few minutes. You and so many who “really” do not like him at all, seem to be calling for others to stop treating him like the Messiah, but it appears to me, at least in the Lavender Room, that it is those who dislike him who keep brining him up.
I have yet to read a thread started by someone who thinks he is the Messiah.
You know, it’s kind of funny…A lot of people are blaming the recession on the greedy Wall St./Bankers, home buyers and general consumerism. You know, gotta have it all, now. Yet, some don’t have a problem implementing spending policies, using borrowed money, to jump start the economy, so we can hurry up and have it all now, again.
How can a conservative do anything but hope Obama fails? The left where praying for Bush to fail. Why do you want the other team to win? Hoping someone fails doesn’t mean they are going to fail. If Obama’s plan doesn’t work it’s not because Republicans hoped it would fail it will be because it is a bad plan.
Ok, I understand your thinking a little better now and I can see what you’re saying. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it better.
However, you still have to realize that when many repulicans on here talk about how happy they will be if President Obama’s policies fail, that it comes across as hoping the economy stays in trouble. Whether or not that’s your intention, that’s how it’s perceived, especially when there are so many **gleeful **posts about how bad things are going to get under his administration.
I think that is a bit of a different issue, but on the face of it I agree with you. There was a psychological need for a stimulus package to get people feeling good about spending money again. Then the banks screwed themselves and will need more help to get the credit markets open again. I don’t think there was a need to propose to spend almost 5 trillion dollars of borrowed money in the last few weeks.
Historically if you look back at the policies put in place by the first Roosevelt administration they pushed the U.S. back into recession in the last few years of the 30’s
This thread has more to do about people’s right to hope for his failure that it does BHO himself.
I could say, but all those Sarah Palin threads…
But its not the same. She had no power. BHO does have power and because of that power, it is important for people to disagree with his policies to make their voices heard. Its very sad that the only voice I have is on a message board. But I will use what voice I have to continue to debate the issues, and in my own little way, try to post something amusing from time to time.
No, wrong. I am one of “the left.” As much as I hated Bush and thought Iraq was a bad decision, I would have rather him been proven right, us gone in there and been “greeted as liberators” and been gone in the 3 months that Rumsfeld thought it would take. I thought he would fail, but didn’t want him to.
I would prefer to be proven wrong, and hence Bush succeed if it meant what was better for the country. I’d have to be a pretty selfish asshole to want to win a political argument in exchange for a long drawn out war with thousands of casualities.
it is important for people to disagree with his policies to make their voices heard
You finally said something that I can agree with. I learn quite a bit from the conservative posts on ST. I’m just so sick and tired of the ones (from both sides) that make ridiculous comments that get us nowhere. Let’s have serious debate on this stuff and leave the name calling and stupidness out of it.
some don’t have a problem implementing spending policies, using borrowed money, to jump start the economy
Most people agreed something needed to be done to stimulate the economy. There are basically 2 options, fiscal policy and monetary policy, each which have two options within themselves, so 4 options total.
When interest rates are near zero, money supply is relatively high and tax rates are relatively low, that leaves one of those 4 options on the table, fiscal stimulus.