Alternative aero testing

Has anyone ever incorporated an unusual testing protocols in their aero testing,

such as the little bits of sting stuck all over Lance in this clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-HUdQwZT3Y

Or, tested positions in a mirror/photos to lower frontal area etc?

If you were do take the above clip of lance, do a similar think and say, ride the turbo with a large fan in front of you, what do you reckon you would be looking for? The string flowing in straight lines? rather than dancing all over the place due to turbulent flow?

My thought was to use my high speed video to closely look at the string to look at air flow, as I have been informed recently by an aerodynamic expert that air-flow is THE critical element. Far more critical than being low at the front, or necessarily having a low frontal area.

Are you already aware of this?

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/wattage/cda/indirect-cda.pdf

That is a way to actually measure drag, which is what you are trying to minimize. I think that will be much more fruitful than trying to guess what string motion vs frontal area may imply about drag

Great, thanks mate.

I was just looking for some extra bits to add in before I head out to try and test. The problem is where I am from there is always wind!

We played around with strings some time ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0Fb6klV6A

You can spot obvious turbulent spots and get a feel for certain things in a qualitative sense, but trying to obtain quantitative drag measures from the “wobblingness” of a string is quite subtle at best. Using your power meter data via Chung’s VE method is probably more reliable :wink:

You should check out The Platypus Thread, here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3536905;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;
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I remember reading that kiwi Dr Matt Brick (world du champ etc) tested aerodynamics using a velodrome , bike computer and HR monitor. For example…ride at 160bpm and see what speed you do then change helmet or wheel and repeat. Significant differences are repeatable. you just need consistent position which is doable.

Interestingly , just like nowadays, at the time TT helmets ( like giro aerohead etc) were getting smaller and sleeker …but his tests showed that bigger helmets (as low and wide as possible) were faster since they made the shoulders and chest more aero. so he preached that helmets should be getting bigger not smaller and used an Italian TDF one with a visor added that looked like an extra wide and low version of the Scandinavian POS helmet with no vents

I was told that there is a great way to do a self test outside and I am interested in finding out how. Please post if you have that info.
Thanks

Here’s a link to a blog post from Fitwerks explaining how to do your own aero field testing:

http://fitwerx.com/ask-fitwerx-article-archive/your-power-meter-is-the-best-wind-tunnel-available

Haven’t tried it myself yet, but maybe this spring…

I was told that there is a great way to do a self test outside and I am interested in finding out how. Please post if you have that info.
Thanks

Look up two posts before yours.