ALERT: Fla Half Ironman Robbery!

I really didn’t want to have to do this. I would have preferred to keep this issue private. However, recent events have dictated that I bring this to a public forum so that the triathlon world can see how a guy who simply followed the rules got (and is still getting) screwed.

First, a little background: I raced the Fla Half last weekend. I finished 5th OA amateur - 2nd in my age group. I fully intended to take the Kona slot that I earned. At the award ceremony, I was unpleasantly surprised to find that I had been dropped out the top 5 in my age group due to a 12 minute penalty. My slot was given away to someone else. I quickly found one of the referees and asked him what the Rule 1.4 violation that I received was. He told me it was for not wearing a shirt on the bike leg. I, along with 7 or so others, did not wear a shirt on the bike. I then asked where in the rule books (USAT, INMA, Fla Half and associated race websites) it specifically states that one must wear a shirt on the bike. NOWHERE, that’s where! On Monday a.m, I emailed the Head Referee and IMNA to 1) verify my penalty and 2) to please show me where the bare torso rule on the bike is written. The Head Referee emailed me back and stated that they accidentally double counted my penalty. It should have only been 4 minutes instead of 12! I would have retained my 2nd place spot with a 4 minute penalty! I would have been given the Kona slot too! Nobody was able to point out a written bare torso rule for the bike.

This vague little rule: OK. I admit. I’m a IMNA newbie. Prior to last week, I never raced an IMNA event. The day before the race, I diligently read the Athlete Guide and IMNA Race Rules. In both of these publications, there is no mention of wearing a shirt on the bike. However, it specifically states in the run section: “Runners must wear race number at all times on the course. Race numbers issued by IRONMAN identify the official contestants in the race…NOTE; SHOES AND COVERED TORSOS ARE REQUIRED AS PER DISPENSATION OF USAT RULES AT IRONMAN NORTH AMERICA EVENTS.”

Well, I did wear a shirt on the run as was required.

Now, here is where the fun starts: I received a call today from the race director. He started the conversation asking first if I agreed that my penalty was valid. I said that no, I don’t think it was valid. His response was that only 7 out of 1900 people didn’t wear a shirt. Therefore, I should have inferred that the bare torso rule applied to the bike. I responded that if the onus was on me to infer, then I could have inferred that the bare torso rule was in effect on the swim as well. He then went on to accuse my wife of running into the transition area during the race and giving me a shirt to wear on the run (so the rumor goes, he says.) This is where I get really pissed off. That is one big bullshit lie of a rumor. And I would defend that with my life.

I was also told that it costs $1500 to acquire a slot from WTC. The RD basically ‘offered’ a slot to me if I was willing to pay half of this amount in addition to the $450 entry fee. I said no to that as well. We pretty much ended the call right there.

The fact that I got screwed out of a Kona slot because race management was incapable of providing clear race rules is one thing. The fact that they will not admit this failure is another. But to accuse my wife and myself of somehow cheating and then asking me to cough up an extra $750 for a Kona slot is at a whole different unacceptable level.

If this is the way that IRONMAN NORTH AMERICA chooses to conduct itself, to admit no wrong when it is clearly wrong, to sully its accusers wife, and then to expect the wronged to pay more money then I don’t want a part of it. Their actions are undeniably piss poor.

I was simply a guy who trained his butt off to particpate in this event and hopefully earn a spot to Kona. I followed the rules. I didn’t want to be a pain in the ass. I just thought I’d receive a little fairness. Guess that’s asking too much.

that thoroughly sucks mate—I had a buddy that didnt podium at WF because they said he didnt dismount before the dismount line but a few feet after, the thing is the line was marked with chalk and the chalk had washed away due to the wet bodies going out through that door for the swim exit. Also, there was no one there telling him to dsimount.

Although this isnt as agregious as your issue----it points to the mistakes that occur by tri refs.

good luck

jeremyb

I heard about this, and just assumed you would be cleared…obviously they realize their mistake, but since the slot has already been offered/taken/paid for, it seems IMNA is trying to save face, albeit in a very lame way. If they were to change the results, it would suck for the second slot earner.

INMA should pony up an extra slot for you, plain and simple. It wouldn’t hurt, though, for you to admit “If the rule did exist, of course I broke it” even though it seems you did your research well enough. Give them an out.

Now, as for these accusations about your wife and the offer for buying your slot…I don’t know what to say. Is IMNA so unprofessional and unscrupulous that they’d stoop this low? From most every person I have met in this sport, this just runs COMPLETELY against the spirit of Triathlon. But with corporate packages, lotteries, and your situation, I shouldn’t be surprised.

Good luck in Texas, by the way.

Based on your account, this does sound like an outrage. It sounds like a mistake from the beginning, and hen a situation handled quite poorly.

I thought the “torso covered” rule was well known. I was ejected from the transition area at a race where I was photograhing for not wearng a shirt- I wasn’t even a competitor!

Joyce Donaldson, who is a UCI Certified Official (perhaps the only one in U.S.?) of Elite Endeavors informed me of the rule several years ago when I attempted to submit a photo of a shirtless male athlete for use on a promotional postcard.

She was right.

However, the handling of this event, as you’ve reported it, appears very poor. I am glad you put it up on this forum- this is what it is for.

Please do not let this drop- let’s hear the follow up and also from the race director on this forum. I would be interesing to hear all sides…

I raced the event last week. You are right, there is nothing in the race docs that spells out a requirement to cover your torso on the bike. On the run it does, but not on the bike. THEY GAVE AWAY YOUR KONA SLOT!? You have more control of yourself that I would at this point. 1. They made an 8-minute error in the assessment of your penalty. 2. The penalty was for not covering your torso on the bike, but there’s nothing in the race rules that says it is a requirement? 3. THEY GAVE AWAY YOUR KONA SLOT!? Even after the penalty you time still qualified? 4. The Race Director called your house and told you you could buy YOUR SLOT! (huh?) for $750? The most troubling aspect of all of this is not the penalty (my opinion only). It is the fact that your time, even after the penalty, entitles you to a Hawaii qualifying slot - and they gave it to someone else because they won’t admit their error. Did they give YOUR SLOT away before they fixed the penalty mistake? If they did, then they must at a minimum find another for you. IT’S YOURS, you earned it. They screwed up. If it were me, I would go after what is yours. The FL Half Race Director screwed up. He didn’t document the rules properly. He incorrectly assessed you a penalty for something not documented, but also assessed it incorrectly by doubling it. THEN HE GAVE AWAY YOUR KONA SLOT!, even though you still had the qualifying time. Then HE CALLED YOUR HOUSE?, accused your wife of running into the transition area, and told you that he would offer YOUR KONA SLOT to you for $750? All very hard to swallow. That little maggot should be ashamed of his behavior. I must hand it to you. You must have done fantastic to earn a qualifying spot (or should have) even with a 4-minute penalty. Make the event management accountable for their mistake. IT’S YOUR KONA SLOT, you earned it.

I’d threaten legal action if you really want it. They’ll cave fairly easily since it would cost them money and they would lose in court. Inferring rules would not carry any weight.

If it’s not written, then it’s not a rule. There is so much legal-ese in all the stuff you have to sign to even get in the race, that no jury/judge would believe they forgot to put that rule in writing.

Thanks Tom. I’m not going to let it drop. The sad thing is, I really did not want it to lead to this. I’m not happy to be posting. I guess I just got really chapped when the accusation about my wife came out. Rather than own up and treat the customer with respect, they decided to jump on me and accuse me and my wife of cheating.

I want to clarify one thing: I did not go shirtless to be some kind of ass or rebel. I live in Florida. I’ve never had to wear a shirt on the bike in a triathlon. Until this race, I’ve never competed in a WTC/INMA event. I did not know that it was “known” to wear a shirt on the bike. I just read all the rules and info as it was provided and acted within those rules. I can’t believe the ‘no shirt on bike rule’ has ‘been in effect’ this many years without being memorialized in writing.

I do agree wholeheartedly that not knowing the rules is no excuse. I simply want to know where the rule is? It is not anywhere in writing. If you or anyone can find it, please let me know. The race director cannot point it out, so I doubt it will be easy to find. Rules should be plainly written and easily disseminated to participants. Vague inferences are not valid rules.

I thought the “torso covered” rule was well known. I was ejected from the transition area at a race where I was photograhing for not wearng a shirt- I wasn’t even a competitor!

I think some of the confusion stems from the fact that it is only a IMNA rule, and not a USAT rule. I’ve gone w/o tops at many races, but I do know that I have to wear one in a IMNA event.

http://www.ironmannorthamerica.com/RaceRules.pdf

Right after “Crawling on the run course is allowed”(!)

Ken
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As much as I hate to say these words, I’d go ahead and sue 'em. If everything you said is correct, I really would be unhappy to see that organization bend/break rules they hold so stringently for so many other people that are working their butts off to qualify for Kona. I contributed to the Get Tibbs a Cervelo FUnd, I think I would surely contribute to your legal fees. I think there would be more than a few others on this forum that would make a token contribution as well. Tell that to your IMFL RD and let him put into his pipe and smoke it.

I recently conversed on this forum with a race ref on rules regarding drafting violations. Some of his comments were helpful. However, with the ever increasing head count in today’s races, a lot of the drafting rules are virtually impossible. With RD’s allowing or even promoting the races to be so packed, it is the competitors that end up holding the bag. I grant RDs have a lot on their plates, but it is the triathletes that are putting their innumerable hours of training, personal money and health on the line to do these events. I think RDs in general and the IMFL in particular owe you and everyone else a lot more respect than what was shown to you after your race.

This is America, sue the Bastards.

Ken, you can probably attribute that to my situation. These are new rules/amendments that must have been put up on the IMNA website over the past few days. The original rules, which were on that site at that link (and were apparently removed and replaced) have miraculously disappeared. Hmm. I wonder why? If anyone is interested, I did print the ‘old’ rules out and will be using them in my appeals package to USAT.

I was afraid you might say that. Don’t remember seeing this rulesheet before. Sorry about the mess, hope you get what you’ve earned, and more importantly, that you can still enjoy it…

Ken

Ken, note that this 1-page PDf is entited: “USAT Competitive Rules Amendments for 2004 Ironman North America Triathlons.” Obviously, IMNA, took note of this situation and posted it on their website for clarification. I recall the original Race Rules file being something like 12-13 pp.

Boz,

I would be extremely upset myself in your situation. So what follows isn’t intended to add to your frustration but maybe it will help you and others in the future.

If you’re doing a race for the first time and there’s a pre-race meeting - be there. Especially if you’re pursuing a serious goal. That’s where race specific items are addressed and you’ll have an opportunity to ask questions about things like this. You didn’t mention attending and if there was a pre-race meeting and you didn’t attend, that was big mistake.

If you’re looking at a podium spot or a Kona slot, check the results and the penalties as soon as they are posted. The Head Referee is obliged to be available from the time the results are posted until the awards are handed out. If you see something in the results that isn’t right find the person in the striped shirt and discuss it with him/her immediately. Don’t wait until it’s all finalized.

I hope the rest of your season goes much better.

Larry

Best of luck…pursue what you rightfully earned that day and a tough day it was to race as well as you did. I know I was there that day racing as well.

I know this doesn’t make it feel any better but congratulations for your hard work, and tremendous time and winning a slot to Kona…You go get em…!!!

“I recall the original Race Rules file being something like 12-13 pp.”

Yeah, I’ve got a version of that file floating around somewhere too. As above, I was sort of hoping that IMNA wouldn’t be so weasely as to retroactively change the rules to screw one guy out of a Kona slot. Apparently, I should have known better.

Ken

Here is a copy of the original file: http://www.ironman.ca/RaceRules.pdf
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Larry,

Those are very valid points. In this case, however, there was not a pre-race meeting. They posted penalties a few hrs before the awards which were at 4pm. I finished the race at about 11:20 and stuck around until past 1:30 looking at results. From then until awards, I was taking care of my kids, etc. Long time to wait. But, my fault for not noticing penalties until awards began when they didn’t call my name. I immediately ran to an official who told me the reason for my penalty. I tried to explain the whole rules fiasco to him and others. At that time, I was the guy with the plague and nobody wanted to discuss it further. Had they not double counted the penalty, none of this would have happened as I would have retained my position with the 4 min ding.

Dude, I would be livid! I really hope efforts are made by WTC to get you your well deserved slot. I’ve done 4 IM WTC races and will probably not do another because of all this crap they pull.

To do list:

Roth, Wildflower, WTH, Keauhou.

We need justice.