So anyone else see this story? WTF?
Let’s compare, involved in the death of hundreds vs. smuggling pot
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/03/indonesia.crime.bakar/ vs. http://www.theage.com.au/news/Corby-Case/Judge-says-Corby-admitted-marijuana-was-hers/2005/05/27/1117129868479.html?oneclick=true
Yeah and in Texas they execute mentally retarded kids.
Justice systems vary from country to country, and its common knowledge what they do to drug smugglers in Indonesia. The woman is lucky to be alive.
Anyone find it ironic that someone called Chapelle got busted for pot?
“Yeah and in Texas they execute mentally retarded kids.”
Wow… that’s a slight misrepresentation.
No it isn’t .
Please elaborate. Which mentally retarded kids did the state of Texas execute?
Steve quit playing games. In Texas they execute mentally retarded inmates, they also execute teenage offenders.
I think you understand the point I was making.
You said they execute “mentally retarded kids.” I said that’s a mischaracterization, because it is. I don’t dispute that they execute people who committed capital crimes as teenagers… nor do I dispute that they execute people who may have IQs that would indicate they are retarded. I just want to know when the State of Texas executed a “mentally retarded kid.”
Under Texas law its perfectly OK to execute mentally retarded teenage offenders.
Better?
You must be a litigator.
btw a 2 minute google search popped up Troy Albert Kunckle, a severely mentally ill schizophrenic who was executed in Texas earlier this year for killing a man when he was barely 18 years old.
Well “justice” may vary but not sure I see the justice in 20 years for possibly smuggling some pot when compared to the punishment for consiparcy to kill hundreds.
Your complaint about Texas is they execute people who are mentally ill for a heinous act. Whether you agree the “retarded” should be held to the same standard is one thing but the punishment otherwise fits the crime.
Better, but still incorrect.
It’s not okay under Texas law to execute mentally retarded teenage offenders. The Supreme Court banned execution of the mentally retarded in June 2002. So, in Texas, just like any other state or territory in the U.S., it’s not legal to execute a mentally retarded person.
Yes, I’m a litigator.
As to the late Mr. Kunckle, “severely mentally ill schizophrenic” isn’t retarded, he’s mentally ill. Perhaps a semantic, but a legal difference nonetheless. And he’s only legally insane if he lacked the mental capacity to form the requisite intent of the crime. As to existence and severity of his alleged schizophrenia, that is a question of fact determined by the jury. Seems that if he was convicted, they either didn’t think he was schizophrenic, or the didn’t believe it was severe enough to render him legally insane. Yeah, he was 18… the age when a person is legally considered an adult.
Well “justice” may vary but not sure I see the justice in 20 years for possibly smuggling some pot when compared to the punishment for consiparcy to kill hundreds.
You might not. Indonesian courts feel differently.
Different countries, different sense of justice and right/wrong.
One would think that out of all the countries in the world US would be fully behind harsh punishment for drug use, considering the whole war on drugs.
Or is this one of those “they are evil, so they can do no right” things so popular these days?
Different countries, different sense of justice and right/wrong.
Well, we will have to disagree I guess. I don’t see how punishing someone to 20 years for drugs is just or right when held against the sentence of a person who had a hand in killing 200 people. I don’t care how you paint it that is not right or just.
Don’t follow the “they are evil, so they can do no right” comment. This doesn’t have anything to do with where this happened for me, I would feel the same if we let someone off a 2 year sentence for a terrorist act
Well “justice” may vary but not sure I see the justice in 20 years for possibly smuggling some pot when compared to the punishment for consiparcy to kill hundreds.
The same criticisms can be directed at our own justice system. Lionel Tate got a life sentence when he was 12 years old for killing a friend while playing. Terry Nichols got the same sentence for killing hundreds in a premeditated bombing.
We put guys in jail for life for walking into a bank and stealing $200 with a plastic gun but the guy who runs the bank and steals $2 million gets 3 months in a country club.
Drugs are a big deal in Indonesia and if you get caught trafficing a life sentence is presumed pretty light. Under Indonesia’s sentencing guidelines this young lady was treated very leniently.
Justice systems are by and large reflections of the society its morals. Indonesians may find is reprehensible that Americans execute the mentally ill, we may find it terrible that they jail drug smugglers for life…especially cute white ones…but thats a whole other kettle of fish.
Lionel Tate’s sentence was overturned and was just arrested for armed robbery. Maybe he should have stayed in, huh?
Yeah, his life sentence WITHOUT PAROLE was overturned…the life part remains. He was paroled earlier this year…and yes he was just arrested for armed robbery…you don’t think that has anything to do with throwing a 12 year old in jail for life? You don’t think he kinda lost faith or respect for the system when that happened? You don’t think I didn’t use his case as an example on purpose?
Your logic is quite amusing…we threw a 12 year old child in jail for life without parole and let him out a few years later…he subsequently commits a crime…WOW we were right all along, he was a little criminal when we convicted him as a 12 year old.
You don’t think the experience made him a little criminal? Hmmmm? If you threw every 12 year old in this country into the criminal justice detention system for a few years 99% of them would emerge little criminals after a few years.
He will now go back to jail for the rest of his life. The system really f**ked this kid gooood.
My logic is thus, without your histrionics and hyperbole, we must incarcerate those who break laws and prove to be a threat to society, even children who commit murder. Young Mr. Tate is still a threat to society and he must take responsibility for his actions. Where we differ is I believe in personal responsibility and not blaming society and poor nurturing when someone commits a crime.
By the way, I believe most of our drug laws and minimum sentencing laws for using illicit drugs are wrong headed and not effective.
Don’t get me wrong I’m a verrry big advocate of personal responsibility…just happen to also believe that we as adults have responsibilities to protect the children in our society. We didn’t protect this child and we turned him into a little criminal.
Wether he was a threat to society before his incarceration is debatable, now its pretty clear cut.
As for drug sentencing, yeah we need to throw more people in jail for smoking weed…good way to create even more little violent criminals.
Conservative “logic” baffles me. You all scream…“theres too much violence on TV…its gonna effect our children!!!” then when a child immitates WWF moves on a little friend and is shocked when she doesn’t get up after he has body slammed her a couple of times and smacked her with a folding chair you all scream to throw the child in jail for life…the little threat to society.
Weird.
“Wether he was a threat to society before his incarceration is debatable…”
Debatable? He killed a little girl!! Oh let’s just let him go. He was in a detention center receiving counseling where he belonged and obviously still does.
"Conservative “logic” baffles me. You all scream…“theres too much violence on TV…its gonna effect our children!!!”
Watch your assertions in the absolute. I have never said anything about violence on TV. I believe it is the parents responsibility to use the on/off switch.
Did you read the “Stupid People Tricks” thread? there were quite a few stories where the contributors did some pretty dumb potentially life threatening things to their siblings…bike jumps, rattlesnake tricks, etc etc…so if any of those posters say as 12 year olds caused the death of their say 10 year old kid brother by seeing if he could jump a stream on a bike, or pushing them off the garage roof on a homemade hang glider, you think they deserve life in jail???
WOW there sure are a lot of lucky people on this forum if thats the case.
“Now you are just babbling like a crazy person.”
I borrowed that from someone on this forum and I believe it fits; like fish in a barrel.