Aerodynamics Q and A from HED brochure

Okay, perhaps we can generate good discussion from the Q and A that appeared in last year’s HED brochure…all been talked about before but they kind of summarizes everything for the not so informed…

Q.1 Is it true that you have to be riding above 20 mph for aero wheels to make a difference?

A.1 The faster you go, the more power you produce. Efficient use of this power depends on how good your aerodynamics are. The time savings provided by aero wheels will always be proportional to the power of the rider. It doesn’t matter whether you produce 300 watts or 150 watts. In fact, slower riders may not be going at the same speed as faster ones, but aero wheels actually save them an even greater amount of time over the same distance. The only exception is on hills, where speeds slower than about 11 mph aren’t sufficient to compensate for the aero wheel weight disadvantage.

Q.2 Can certain wind angles push a rider along?

A.2 Think of a guy in a rowing boat, using ‘x’ amount of power to move along. Then erect a sail the size of a disc wheel. The surface area of this sail isn’t enough to propel him without rowing as well, but it will make the rowing easier. This is how a disc wheel works at beneficial wind angles. You can’t stop pedalling but it does feel easier.

Q.3 I can only afford one wheel, so which one should it be?

A.3 The front wheel breaks the wind first, so this is the more important of the two. In certain conditions, a front wheel will save twice as much as the rear. However, it also depends on the model of the wheel, because a rear disc will provide at least as much performance as any other aero design on the front.

Q.4 Is aerodynamic performance more important than weight saving?

A.4 let’s look at a few figures. Assume a rider uses a conventional bike over a 25 mile flat course time trial. He weighs 150 lbs, his bike is another 20 lbs, and he his producing 185 watts of power. The aero drag with this scenario would be approximately 6.5 lbs using aero bars into a 2 mph headwind of between 0 and 5 degrees. With his standard bike, our rider’s time would be 1 hour 7 minutes and 38 seconds. If we reduced the weight of his bike by three pounds, that time would come down by just 3 seconds. However swap the wheels to an aero design and the drag could be reduced to 6 lbs. Even with the additional quarter pound weight of the new wheels, his time saving over 25 miles jumps dramatically to over 1 minute 30 seconds. No contest.

Q.6 How much time could I save in a 25 mile time trial by switching to aero rims?

A.6 It depends on the wheels. Using our 150 lb test rider in an aero tuck as a model, switching to aero wheels will typically save between 1 minute 30 seconds and 2 minutes over a flat 25 mile course. Using a deep front and disc rear, two minutes is a realistic figure. At the other end of the scale, using a pair of Jet V40 would be worth a saving of 1 minute.

Q.2 Can certain wind angles push a rider along?

A.2 Think of a guy in a rowing boat, using ‘x’ amount of power to move along. Then erect a sail the size of a disc wheel. The surface area of this sail isn’t enough to propel him without rowing as well, but it will make the rowing easier. This is how a disc wheel works at beneficial wind angles. You can’t stop pedalling but it does feel easier.

I’m a fan of disc wheels and all, i even tt on one, but a disc wheel acts nothing like a sail.

I’m hoping someone can explain this to me actually…I still don’t see why a disc wheel on a crosswinds or 30 degrees yaw, etc can do anything other than slow you down…are we back to the does one ride fast enough to make this sidewind a headwind scenario???

I suspect it is the same reason a sail boat can sail nearly into the wind. A modern sail boat (and especially a sailboard) can sail probably 25-30 degrees off the wind. The lift (in combination with a keel) directs this force forward. I suspect bike wheels act like a keel and although you feel some sideways force on this disc, you are gaining forward momentum from this lift. Just go take out a laser sailing dingy and you can feel this for yourself.

“Just go take out a laser sailing dingy and you can feel this for yourself.”

That would be a great analogy, except that a disc wheel does not act like a sail.

I think it would be more like a keel cuz it is fixed front to back unlike a sail that can be adjusted to the wind, but the principle is the same. A low pressure is created on the front - downwind side of the disk if the wind is in front of you. This small area of low pressure pulls you forward very slightly. The same kind of thinking was used on airplane wings, I believe it used the bernoulli equation. I don’t remember the specifics of it.

I knew those 12 years of racing sailboats would come in handy sometime.

jaretj

Maybe somebody with more sailing experience (or perhaps some college physics major) can correct me, but when sailing the sail is never parallel with the keel, but backed off some. So if the wind is coming in at 10 o’clock the sail is not pointing at noon, but at something closer to 11 o’clock. It is the angle of the sale relative to the keel that pulls the boat forward. Since the leeward side if the sail is pointing forward at a slight angle and since the keel prevents the boat from going sideways, the vacuum pulls the boat forward. With a disk the disk/sail is parallel to the bike/boat so the vacuum created by the wind will provide a sideways force at best.

But then again, it has been about 20 years since I’ve been in a sail boat.

Victor