Advice for tri-virgins

Hi, my first post here!

I’ve recently taken up endurance training and am planing to progress slowly to at least a half ironman in about 2-3 years, maybe even a full one in the distant future. The problem I have is that unlike bodybuilding and such, there isn’t a lot of good material for beginners on that I have found. There are some programs that are aimed for beginners but I find that they are almost always focused solely on the training side and not so much on nutrition. Also, the it’s quite hard as a newbie to distinguish a good training/nutrition plan from a crap one.

So I thought that if some seasoned veterans could point me towards good materia/tips/links/books/what ever to get people started on training and proper nutrition, following the forum guidelines of course. I see that there is a beginner section on this page but the guppy challenge seems a bit annoying to follow due to the one article per week layout.

Things that I’d like to find out (including but not limited to) are:

  • what are good benchmarks for swim/bike/run that I should set my goals to
  • how often I should train swim/bike/run and how (been doing about 3x week each 30 mins-1h)
  • how much should I eat? macronutrient spread?
  • how to lose weight but still have enough energy to do training
  • should I do additional strength training? how should i do it?
  • any good apps for training? (there are pretty nice couch to 5k running apps but haven’t found a good bike or swim one yet)

All answers are appreciated!

ps. why isn’t there a sticky for stupid questions by newcomers?

they say the first time will be a lot of fun and you’ll enjoy it but it really just hurts…

Swim benchmark: get to where you can swim under 1:30/100 yards
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Swim benchmark: get to where you can swim under 1:30/100 yards

That’s a very unrealistic goal for a beginner triathlete. That pace is way above what the average age grouper is doing. Depending on a person’s swimming abilit, 2:00/100 yards can even be a tough benchmark to reach.

I currently do 100m in around 1:40. I’m by no means an experienced swimmer but I’ve done some swimming lessons as a kid and it’s the only part of triathlon I’ve got some experience in. Apart from swimming when I was about 10 I’ve done mainly martial arts and weight training.

Swim benchmark: get to where you can swim under 1:30/100 yards

That’s a very unrealistic goal for a beginner triathlete. That pace is way above what the average age grouper is doing. Depending on a person’s swimming abilit, 2:00/100 yards can even be a tough benchmark to reach.

No kidding. I’m an adult onset swimmer and have been doing triathlons (or all dstances) since 1992. On a good day, I can do one 100y interval in 1:55. My sustained pace is closer to 2:20.

Asumming the OP is not already a competent swimmer, a better benchmark is to feel comfortable in the water, especially open water with lots of “friends” swimming around you. My opinion.

That’s a very unrealistic goal for a beginner triathlete.

Depends on the person’s swim background.

That pace is way above what the average age grouper is doing.

That’s because the average AG’er needs to spend more time swimming.

The OP asked for benchmarks, and I think that is a good benchmark for AG triathletes.

I currently do 100m in around 1:40. I’m by no means an experienced swimmer but I’ve done some swimming lessons as a kid and it’s the only part of triathlon I’ve got some experience in. Apart from swimming when I was about 10 I’ve done mainly martial arts and weight training.

I was under the impression that he was talking about holding a 1:30/100yd pace for the duration of a race. Otherwise I agree with you. However, a 100yd time trial is not a good measure of one’s endurance swimming capabilities.

I can probably do it for 200-400 m so probably he meant a pace for a race.

That’s a very unrealistic goal for a beginner triathlete.

Depends on the person’s swim background.

That pace is way above what the average age grouper is doing.

That’s because the average AG’er needs to spend more time swimming.

The OP asked for benchmarks, and I think that is a good benchmark for AG triathletes.

Is holding 260W and a 5:45 pace also a good bench mark? She’s not trying to win the race, she’s seeking to find BEGINNER INFORMATION. Try not to discourage beginners with fast paces. Chances are you weren’t holding a 1:30 pace for 400m+ the first few years you were swimming.

If you really wanna dive in, I recommend reading the Triathlete’s Training Bible by Joe Friel. He answers a lot of your questions, but it is a bit like reading a textbook.

https://www.amazon.com/Triathletes-Training-Bible-Worlds-Comprehensive/dp/1937715442/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501263221&sr=8-1&keywords=triathlete+training+bible

Benchmarks really depend on where you are starting and what your goals are. Someone who has been bike racing for a few years is going to have completely different benchmarks than someone coming straight off the couch.

Unless you are the type of person who needs structure or has a goal such as doing an IM in a year, I would just get out there. Do some running, do some swimming, do some cycling. Then when you see a sprint or oly distance race in your area, sign up for it. My goals in my first race were don’t drown, don’t crash, and don’t trip near the finish line. Once I had a feel for things, I could set realistic goals.

As far as nutrition, when you start out it is common sense. Just eat regular, healthy stuff, and don’t overestimate the number of calories you burn during a workout.

Just a warning, though. At some point during the first race (quite possibly while you are waiting for it to start) you will wonder what the hell you are doing and want to quit. However, as soon as the race is over, you will be looking for your next fix.

If you really wanna dive in, I recommend reading the Triathlete’s Training Bible by Joe Friel. He answers a lot of your questions, but it is a bit like reading a textbook.

Other good ones:

https://www.amazon.com/...keywords=be+iron+fit

https://www.amazon.com/…=the+perfect+distanc

Chances are you weren’t holding a 1:30 pace for 400m+ the first few years you were swimming.

  1. I said 1:30/100 YARDS
  2. I was, actually.

I was under the impression that he was talking about holding a 1:30/100yd pace for the duration of a race.

I was… and I’m a woman :wink:

Chances are you weren’t holding a 1:30 pace for 400m+ the first few years you were swimming.

  1. I said 1:30/100 YARDS

  2. I was, actually.

  3. No one say X:XX/100 yards when they’re talking about their 100 yard sprint time. They say 100 yard in X:XX) The format you used is generally used for pacing.

  4. No one cares. Go beat your chest somewhere else. The OP isn’t impressed.

You pretty much described me. I definitely need structure and specific goals or otherwise i lose interest.

I think that it was CaptainCanada that had a pretty solid training plan that would work for all levels…certainly for beginners. Might want to search for that

Hey and welcome!

I wish you a lot of luck and fun in tri.

Slowtwitch is a great resource. There are a lot of very knowledgeable people here. There’s also a lot of crazy stuff, too. It will take awhile to sort through it all. Triathlon can be a very simple sport but it can also be very complicated if you want it to be. Start off easy and don’t get too bogged down. The Friel Training Bible book is a good one to start–it’s comprehensive–but it might be too much for your first race. I’m not sure how deeply you want to get into it. Maybe look into this one first:

https://www.amazon.com/Your-First-Triathlon-2nd-Ed/dp/1934030864

OK, your questions. Each of these could entail hours of research and planning, but I assume you don’t want that right now. If you do, well, then get the Friel book as a good intro and then start looking on slowtwitch.

Things that I’d like to find out (including but not limited to) are:

  • what are good benchmarks for swim/bike/run that I should set my goals to

Yeah, that’s going to be really individual based on where you’re starting out. If your swim times are as good as you say and you can hold 1:40, then you’re way ahead of most beginners. I would suggest you pick your “A” race for the season (even if it’s only one), look up the last years’ results and see what the top people in your age group did. Don’t be shocked if they’re way ahead of you. Also see what the median and last people did. Those times should give you an idea of good benchmarks. You sound somewhat athletic, but don’t be afraid to just approach your first race with a “just finish and have fun” goal. That really might be the most enjoyable thing for you.

Also, I echo what someone already said: get comfortable swimming in open water. You’d be surprised how many people swim for the first time in OW at their first race.

Whatever you do, pick goals (but reasonable goals) and work towards them. But be ready to adjust if things are going better/worse than expected. Have a regular (biweekly, monthly?) test that you do that is relevant to your A race.

  • how often I should train swim/bike/run and how (been doing about 3x week each 30 mins-1h)

Again, that’s going to be really individual based on where you’re starting out and how much time you have. If you’re doing a sprint as your first race, I’d suggest often and not very long for each discipline–what you mention sounds all right, maybe add a 4th bike every other week? The bike should be your longest workout (for a sprint, make sure you can ride reasonably hard for at least 1 hour and very hard for 30 min). You should probably look up the barryp program here. It’s something someone posted here a long time ago, but it has definitely helped me and many others based on the posts improve run times without injury. Barryp recommends 6 runs/week.

One thing you cannot neglect is proper recovery. Again, that will be very individual, but a popular approach is 3 weeks of increasing work and 1 week of less work. Repeat. Also, I’d say schedule easy (not off but easy) days during each week (plus maybe one day off).

  • how much should I eat? macronutrient spread?
  • how to lose weight but still have enough energy to do training

I’d suggest you don’t train to lose weight, but just make sure you are fueling for your workouts–fuel before and during (if longer than 1:15). Have some good recovery food afterwards. If you want to lose weight, then there are basically two ways to go:

  1. keep eating the way you ate before and train more
  2. the more reliable way is to weigh yourself daily and then track your calories spent and taken in (look up myfitnesspal–that’s a good one in this regard). Just make sure you’re fueling your workouts and recovery and then if you want to lose weight, cut out 500 to 1000 (max) calories per day from the rest of the day. Think your training must come first, and then the rest of the day is for losing weight.

For macronutrients, I wouldn’t be too concerned about that yet. Just make sure you get enough lean protein and some good fats along with a bunch of complex carbs. You can spend more time figuring this out but if you have a balanced (i.e., not typical American) diet you should be fine. Just make sure you have protein to help recover (i.e., build back your muscles).

By monitoring your weight and how you feel during workouts you should know if you are losing weight (no more than 2 lbs per week! less as race day approaches) and still feeling good enough to train.

  • should I do additional strength training? how should i do it?

I say yeah. The Training Bible has some good strength training stuff, but I think plyometrics are more appropriate. Google it–there’s a lot out there.

  • any good apps for training? (there are pretty nice couch to 5k running apps but haven’t found a good bike or swim one yet)

I know of no apps. But you can find free training programs. I’d just start with one of them (but consider barryp for running) and then as you learn more you can adjust to your own strengths/weaknesses/schedule.

One thing you’ll find, however, is that there a lot of very different approaches and needs. That’s why I think plans designed specifically for individuals are the best.

I hope this helps!
Mike

  1. No one say X:XX/100 yards when they’re talking about their 100 yard sprint time. They say 100 yard in X:XX) The format you used is generally used for pacing.

Right - because as we figured out above, I meant 1:30/100 yards for the duration of the race as a benchmark. In other words, a 1:30 per 100 yard p…a…c…e.