If I am believe everything I hear about GW including everything in the past we are fucked. Even if we start cutting carbon now Iceland will still be in the drink. So my question is if all the doomsday prediction are correct why aren’t GW freaks pushing for all the nations of the world to start preparing for the great coming super flood? If millions of lives are on the line why aren’t we looking at the computer modles and starting to movie people and goods into areas where we would be safe? Why all the talk but no action?
Fine. My question still stands. If it’s going to be so bad then why aren’t we getting ready for it?
So what does that have to do with Mr. Tibbs’s question? Nothing in his post contradicts your explanation. So his question appears to be legitimate: If ocean levels are supposedly doomed to increase catastrophically, for whatever reason, why aren’t the alarmists busily coming up with evacuation plans?
What Tibbs is calling for is already happening via the mechanism of plummeting values of oceanfront property. People are bailing out of these properties and moving inland.
Well, except where the values continue to skyrocket, of course.
If I am believe everything I hear about GW including everything in the past…
There’s your first mistake, quite believing everything you hear.
So my question is if all the doomsday prediction are correct why aren’t GW freaks pushing for all the nations of the world to start preparing for the great coming super flood?
Because most of the real GW scientists aren’t predicting major catastrophes UNLESS we don’t change some of our habits. A while back someone actually posted a proposed method for reducing GHG’s over the next 50 years that would hold current levels to where they are now, thus eliminating most if not all GW threat.
Now I’m sure someone will pipe up here and start mentioning that global cooling is right around the corner, another 3-4K years and we should be doing something about that too. Hell in another 4-5 billion years our sun will expand and consume our little planet and 45 billion years after that were headed into a galactic collision…screw it we should burn all the fossil fuels we can while we still have the chance.
~Matt
People will stay put until the bitter end: Just like we will all drive all we want until gas is $100 / gallon and we won’t really get World War 3 / Armagideon Time rolling until terrorists actually nuke Disney World. No one moves until they are truly forced.
Not true. The goverment has the power to change many things. If we are going to drowned then why are the Democrats not calling for the movent of people now so when the floods come lives will be saved.
That’s true, and a good point. OTOH, most of the GW alarmists don’t seem to put much stock in market action. They’re basically political reductionists (http://www.humanactioncourse.info/pp/cf/HH24013.html), so from their point of view, it probably doesn’t even count.
Back in the late 80s early 90s why I was a left wing animal rights Greenpeace donating moron I was brainwashed into believing that the changes needed to be made in the next decade for even a chance of human survival. Now is the next decade and the same people are saying that we have to change things now to avoid the big flood. How many times can this be moved up and still be taken serouisly and if it’s a real threat then why are we not taking the smart two pronged attack and cutting carbon AND heading for the hills?
I’ll take this as a serious question, because I do think you’re being serious.
One of the reasons for the lack of panic for evacuation is because there is no “great coming super flood” in the sense of what we are seeing in Texas recently, or that happened when the levees in New Orleans burst (no, I’m not blaming Bush for that, merely representing a flood). Rather, it is a gradual rise in sea levels.
And second, for some low-level island settlements, some planning is being done to assist people displaced in the event of sea rise. But, for the most part, you are on your own.
Since I can’t control what the coastal people’s of other nations do, my main suggestion for the U.S. is to remove federal insurance support for people who build on the beach. We’ve got roads in our state that are state maintained but only serve a few dozen private homes built on sand bars that are designed by God to move around. The idea of paying every year to rebuild those roads when they get washed out by even small hurricanes is just crazy. If you want to live on the beach that’s great. I understand. I love the beach and the ocean. But I shouldn’t have to pay for your luxury. Oops. Sorry for the rant.
taken serouisly and if it’s a real threat then why are we not taking the smart two pronged attack and cutting carbon AND heading for the hills?
I think I already answered that question. Simply stated if we make a few relatively simple changes at a fairly minimal impact over a period of 50 years we can hold GHG’s at a relatively stable level and we will have no need to move people.
OTOH the “Flooding” if it does occur, even in worst case scenario, will take place over a period of decades and slowly. The move will occur naturally as people are forced out. This won’t be like a tsunami where millions are forced from there homes overnight, but millions, slowly over years. Basically worst case scenario equals natural migration.
~Matt
Thank you for taking me seriously because I am. If you look at the maps Mr. Gore showed us a lot of people will be swimming very quickly. Now if this is true and people really believe it why is there not a huge push to move? The goverment has a lot of power and can do many things. Relocation populations is one of them.
Since I can’t control what the coastal…
Although I agree I think that’s a different issue. Assuming the ocean’s rise “X” feet that just means that the beeches will move “Y” feet inland and the dumbass government will pay for roads for a few people to live on the new beaches.
~Matt
"will take place over a period of decades and slowly. "
That maybe true but that is not what is being said. The fiver pitch of GW supporters statements have gotten almost insane. So the questions stands. If it is as bad as Mr. Gore and everyone says where is their actions to save people. Other than have concerts and making movies?
Remember the frog in the slowly heated water??? A little corny, but couldn’t be more true. People know that smoking will kill them, eventually. People know that being fat will kill them eventually. We seem to be able to accept a slow death off into the future, or just ignore it. Change is the hard part, and unless it is staring you right in the face, the tendancy is to ignore it. Oceans rising a fraction each year, just isn’t dramatic enough. But Katrina type disasters will become more ad more frequent, until it can’t be ignored anymore. I feel that stare, so I’m preparing myself, as many others are doing. Not much downside to being prepared for eventualities, but huge penalty if you are not… They replayed a great segment on 60 minues from the high CFO of our nation. Very bleak outlook for the near future, all the politions know and admit it, but sit around and do nothing about it. Well they do something, pass the buck to the next generation, or the next politician to replace them. No one wants to be the bad guy with the bad news, so our country has it’s head in the sand…I’m encouraged by the grass roots efforts of the people that are pushing this agenda, but I do believe it is too late for a soft landing anymore… I’ll do my bit now, but I’m putting my future head in the sand, just too ugly to think about…
Let me put it another way. When are those like Mr. Gore going to lead by example? Lots is being said by those who know the weather but there is no real effort made by anyone to change. Mr. Gore was taken to task for how he lived and instead of people trying to shame him into living in a way he thinks we should live everyone made excuses.
Lots of talking by the grassroots but no action.
Remember the frog in the slowly heated water???
The frog is smarter than are people. http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
If you look at the maps Mr. Gore showed us a lot of people will be swimming very quickly. Now if this is true and people really believe it why is there not a huge push to move? \
If yo have been watching the news lately, you would see that lots of people are moving, those living on low lying islands. WHole countries are being swallowed up, they are the canary’s in the coal mine…It is the beginning, and the rest of the predictions will come in their own time. It won’t be tomorrow for Malibu, but could be 2030. Many countries like Holland and Britian, are taking this very seriously. They have started building floating houses to replace the ones that got wiped out in the last flood. Most of the industrilazed countries get it, and are preparing for the worst, because it is out of their control to stop it. That is left to the superpowers that pour the majority of CO2 into the air, but we are just too arrogant and bloated to recognize what we are doing…
Lots of talking by the grassroots but no action.\
I don’t know where you live, but I see lots of action. By myself, and lots of my friends. This recent concert showed that a lot of those people are switching thier heads over to renewables. Not sure why you are picking on Gore so much, no one is carbon free…I suppose you will give me some pithy quote from the spinmeisters, about Gore flying around the world in jets…Heard that one, and frankly, it is getting really tired. He is doing what he can do, just as so many others. Starting with the little stuff, and working to the really hard stuff. I use a lot of gas and electricity too, but I have minimuized as much as possible, and now I will add solar to off set more of it. My plan eventually is to offset more than I use, and if enough people can do that, then a change is possible. WIll I stop flying in planes, no. Not until I learn how to fly myself…It’s a silly arguement, and there are lots of other ways to offset our own individual foot prints… I’m planting more trees, and when the time comes, my nest car will be at least a hybrid, if not something that is 0 emissions…
You need to get out a little more, lots going on out there…
That maybe true but that is not what is being said.
Then you need to change who you are listening to.
As with all issues there are usually 2 groups of people on the side of the issue. Those that are fanatics and those that are reasonable. GW fanatics would have all of us living in a tent down by the river eating nothing but organically grown vegetables. Those that are reasonable believe there is a problem that should be dealt with in a reasonable fashion. From what I’ve read most of these reasonable people are not claiming such serious catastrophes for many decades even centuries.
If it is as bad as Mr. Gore and everyone says where is their actions to save people.
Yeh well, see the first sentence above. No offense to Gore, but he’s a politician and loves the limelight. I prefer to see my information from those that actually do the science and if I’m going to watch a movie, I prefer to see real actors and actresses.
~Matt