Even if you were lucky enough to get a steak SOAKING in steroids and growth hormone
it would have no effect on you
youll eat it, your liver will destroy it, and nothing happens.
you have the modify steroids for them to be active orally, which is why the oral ones are hard on your liver.
=)
The ban took care of everything, small companies just occasionally produce some new ones anyway and sell as many as they can until they get shut down.
its a pretty fringe industry at this point. Don’t believe you can walk into GNC and pick them up anymore.
Actually that ban from years ago took care of the prohormones that were being sold back then.
Manufacturers got around that law by producing prohormones with different chemical structures.
The prohormones sold today in actuality are steroids.
But I do use protein powder quite a bit. I don’t really think the whey protein manufacturers also produce steroids.
BUT I do think that some of the packagers, package whey protein as well as the prohormones/steroids.
There is one company which puts prohormones/steroids in their protein powder and advertise that fact.
There are also a couple supplement companies whose products are sold at GNC, Vit Shoppe etc who just recently the govt has found to actually have prohormones/steroids in their products but not listed on the label.
There are also a couple supplement companies whose products are sold at GNC, Vit Shoppe etc who just recently the govt has found to actually have prohormones/steroids in their products but not listed on the label.
Link?..evidence?..bueller…bueller
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I was a big fan of protein powder and I would primarily use the EAS stuff that I could buy from BJ’s in a five pound bag. About two years ago when I began to pick up the intensity with my runs I would get really bad intestinal pain for days after. It was even difficult to sleep. I slowly changed stuff in my diet and when I took out protein drinks the pain went away after a few days. So now I stay away from protein powder. I still eat power bars and they seem to be fine for my system.
What did you mix your protein powder with? And did you bother to try to isolate which one of the ingredients in the EAS stuff was the culprit? Was it fortified with creatine? What else did it contain? (I know EAS adds a lot of things).
Many people get hung up on it being processed or ‘isolated’…without realizing that the body’s digestive process does the same thing.
When was the ban? About 3 years ago a small vitamin shop showed me a recently banned substance that was supposed to as close to testosterone as you could get.
My question is, would someone even know something is a prohormone from reading the label? I’m sure they have got pretty technical names.
Since when do beer and wine contain protein? Tim
Actually it’s a legitimate question, but showing substantial ignorance. As a homebrewer I can assure you that beer and wine do contain protein. Not large amounts, but depending on the mash temps and recipe maybe as much as 2g or so per 12oz bottle of beer. Some beers are quite high in proteins, which is in some part responsible for the “filling” effect of the beer. Light beers typically have very little protein…
Anyway, regarding the OP I usually try to get all my protein through natural sources: steak and sushi. But I use powders sometimes as needed after huge workouts or races as they absolutely do help recovery time. Usually Endurox R4 with a GNC creatine mix. Dramatic reduction in post-workout soreness the next day…of course getting in a hot tub for 10 minutes does somewhat the same thing. I’ve had a lot more stomach problems from coffee than I’ve ever had with protein shakes!
Well it would have some highly suggestive name but not really. Theres 10 cases of snake oil that isn’t anything for every product thats actually a steroid =)
When was the ban? About 3 years ago a small vitamin shop showed me a recently banned substance that was supposed to as close to testosterone as you could get.
My question is, would someone even know something is a prohormone from reading the label? I’m sure they have got pretty technical names.
how much less natural is powdered milk than grilled steak?
heh
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q="protein+powder"+contamination
sorry for the snark, I couldn’t resist…
seriously though, protein powders/supplements have a long history of questionable quality control. If I knew all I was getting was whey/dried milk I wouldn’t have a problem.
All I see is athletes using contaminated protein powder as an excuse =)
I do recall one case, about 15 years ago, of a protein powdered called “Hot Stuff” that people reported worked AMAZINGLY well.
People suspect it had dianabol ground up in it on purpose in those early batches.
Even if you were lucky enough to get a steak SOAKING in steroids and growth hormone
it would have no effect on you Really? A lot of scientists apparently beg to differ.
youll eat it, your liver will destroy it, and nothing happens. Just a simpe question for you: How do the hormones produced by your own body get to your tissues then?
you have the modify steroids for them to be active orally, which is why the oral ones are hard on your liver.
=) Part of them being hard on your liver is their toxicity at the insane concentrations you ingest… for starters. And the pro-hormones you are talking about are just more effectively taken up. **** Part of the problem with artifical compounds is not only their toxicity (or that of their breakdown products) but also the immunogenicity. Your body is not used to see certain artifical compounds or breakdown products. Some doctors actually make them responsible for the increased number of aoutoimmune disorders and childhood allergies. I know; you know better 
and I really don’t care what you eat, but since you asked.
Lets not have the debate in sarcastic form, please.
Eating nandrolone/testosterone in non methylated form has very low bioavailability because after consumption the first place that stuff goes is your liver where it is rapidly broken down. You could drink a months worth of testosterone oil and not gain a damn pound of weight.
Inject that same vial, and gain 20lbs in 8 weeks, because it is secreted into your blood slowly from the injection site, where it doesn’t make an initial pass to your liver before going to your muscles.
Just like the hormones produced by your own body.
If you want bioavailability from steroids that you consume orally, you have to modify them, usually through methylating them. This is the primary way in which steroids are damaging to the liver. Injectible non methylated steroids are usually not damaging to the liver (at least not in the profoundly clear and dangerous way the oral ones are)
Whether there be some subtle effects on allergies or your immune system from breaking down a little nandrolone from your steaks, I can’t say, plausible theory but there is an infinitude of them.
has anyone tested positive for nandrolone yet in athletics from eating a steak? that crap shows up for months on steroid tests because it is easy to spot, and they inject tons of it into cattle.
if it was getting through your system from eating it, athletes who eat steak should fail doping tests =)
Even if you were lucky enough to get a steak SOAKING in steroids and growth hormone
it would have no effect on you Really? A lot of scientists apparently beg to differ.
youll eat it, your liver will destroy it, and nothing happens. Just a simpe question for you: How do the hormones produced by your own body get to your tissues then?
you have the modify steroids for them to be active orally, which is why the oral ones are hard on your liver.
=) Part of them being hard on your liver is their toxicity at the insane concentrations you ingest… for starters. And the pro-hormones you are talking about are just more effectively taken up. **** Part of the problem with artifical compounds is not only their toxicity (or that of their breakdown products) but also the immunogenicity. Your body is not used to see certain artifical compounds or breakdown products. Some doctors actually make them responsible for the increased number of aoutoimmune disorders and childhood allergies. I know; you know better and I really don’t care what you eat, but since you asked.
I was a big fan of protein powder and I would primarily use the EAS stuff that I could buy from BJ’s in a five pound bag. About two years ago when I began to pick up the intensity with my runs I would get really bad intestinal pain for days after. It was even difficult to sleep. I slowly changed stuff in my diet and when I took out protein drinks the pain went away after a few days. So now I stay away from protein powder. I still eat power bars and they seem to be fine for my system.
What did you mix your protein powder with? And did you bother to try to isolate which one of the ingredients in the EAS stuff was the culprit? Was it fortified with creatine? What else did it contain? (I know EAS adds a lot of things).
I would mix the protein with milk and I would use one scoop with about 16 ounces of milk and mix it with an electric hand mixer. The protein did not contain creatine but I could list the ingredients if you would like. I never bothered to try to isolate what it was since the stomach issues went away when i discontinued the use. I do eat cottage cheese without any issues. Also power bars are no issue for me but with Cliff Bars I seemed to have the same issue as with the protein.
I guess you need to look at what it takes to make flour from wheat vs. how to make powder from protein. People argue that bleached/processed white flour is garbage and its gotta be less healthy than unbleached/minimally processed flour. My mom used to crush her own wheat and make home-made bread (I of course liked Wonder Bread better) - but anyway - making flour from wheat is basically just crushing it. I eat crushed protein all the time - its called hamburger. Now if you take that nice meat and make it into a powder - well that wouldn’t work very well. In fact - I don’t know how I’d even do it in my own kitchen. Beer or wine? I could make that. Pasta - I could make that to. Flour - I could make that…
Seems like you are comparing 2 very different things but then again your post doesn’t really make any sense nor did you intend it to.
As far as I’m concerned - you can eat all the protein powder you want. Its your body - do what you want. If you want to try and convince people that its healthier than eating real food - go ahead. There are plenty of people that will believe you.
I think you should go on an all powder diet and see what happens - or maybe just try getting 100% of your protein in your diet from powder and see what happens.
Also - bread/flour/beer/wine have been around for a long/long time…how long have “powdered proteins” been around?
Dave
you would have to be single and work at home because the stank from flatulence would be horrific
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Lactose intolerance is very common so my first thought was that it might be dairy. If you are ever in the mood to try Whey again, consider mixing it in water for a while to see if that helps…and I’d get pure whey concentrate with no special additives (a cheaper ‘generic’ if you will).
Lactose intolerance is very common so my first thought was that it might be dairy. If you are ever in the mood to try Whey again, consider mixing it in water for a while to see if that helps…and I’d get pure whey concentrate with no special additives (a cheaper ‘generic’ if you will).
so… do you think it was the combination of milk and protein that did me in? Because I have had chocolate milk after a good hard ride and my stomach does alright. I would be willing to try protein again and I guess the off season would be the time to try it out
Lactose intolerance is very common so my first thought was that it might be dairy. If you are ever in the mood to try Whey again, consider mixing it in water for a while to see if that helps…and I’d get pure whey concentrate with no special additives (a cheaper ‘generic’ if you will).
so… do you think it was the combination of milk and protein that did me in? Because I have had chocolate milk after a good hard ride and my stomach does alright. I would be willing to try protein again and I guess the off season would be the time to try it out
Well, having the chocolate milk probably rules out the lactose intolerance…but I’d still consider the possibility that it was some other ingredient in the particular protein you had. Try again during the off-season as you suggest and buy a very small amount of whey protein concentrate without any additives. You can find/blend the exact recipe you desire at http://www.proteinfactory.com