A good read for parents of kids in sports

Yes there can be coaches who suck and play certain players because of family name or pressure but in general there is a lot of great stuff in this read.

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/obnoxiousbostonfan/2014/10/were_about_a_month_or.html

The absurdity of many “win-at-all-cost” coaches in youth sports is neatly matched by the fanaticism of “play-my-kid-or-else” parents at the high-school level.

When the games start to count, the main reason why your kid isn’t playing is simple:

“They’re just not good enough.”

“He/she just isn’t fast enough.”

“He/she just isn’t strong enough.”

“He/she just isn’t tall enough.”

“He/she is too fat/too skinny.”

“He/she just didn’t try hard enough in practice.”

“He/she should not play over Jimmy/Jenny because they’re faster, quicker, stronger, taller, and/or try harder.”

Far too many children today are living in a world where they never learn “no.” They don’t know how to handle disappointment and failure. Nor do they know how to react and move on when they don’t get their own way. Interacting with actual people, and not just the screens on their iPhones or iPads, is a challenge, if not an impossibility. I won’t call this “abuse,” but it’s pretty damn close.

This is a world constructed by “well-meaning” but dangerously naïve parents. The children know no better because this is what they’re taught. Real-life doesn’t come with “Participation Awards,” “8th-Place Trophies” or laudatory bumper-stickers telling everyone that you’re able to do your job without screwing up.

Playing a team sport, like football, with the right coaching can help students learn life’s difficult lessons, including Mick Jagger’s truism that “you can’t always get what you want.”

I think it depends on the goals of the team/ league. If it’s a developmental team or league, then everyone needs to be developed and played. However, in high school, the varsity teams are competitive teams. They should have cuts and reduced playing time for kids with reduced talent/ efforts.

I think it’s connecting two things that aren’t related to one another, most “play my kids or else” parents aren’t that way because their kid got participation trophies when they were a tyke, it’s because they lack the ability to objectively see their kid’s abilities and think their kid is good enough to play more. They are apt to see the positive in their kid and the negative in the rival kids.

I don’t think he says anywhere in the article that kids don’t understand the nature of competitive sports. He just creates a strawman where kids that don’t play apparently are at risk of suffering from the everyone is a winner delusion.

Just because a kid is on a high school team doesn’t mean they should get to play. They should have to earn their spot. It isn’t fair to the team to pull a good player out so a poor one can play. Parents need to be realistic. Most on a team are out there trying to win.

My son runs XC. The coach is a friend. I told my son he needs to put in the training to make varsity. During his sophomore and junior years he did, and he was good enough for varsity. As a senior this year he must have thought he would automatically be on varsity and didn’t train during the summer. As a result he was bumped to JV. The kids who did the work all summer are faster and they earned. A couple of his friends quit the team because as seniors they weren’t going to be on varsity. We didn’t allow him to quit. He had to stay and support the team. It was hard for him because the competition was a bit softer this year and the team is going to the state championships and he could have been on that team if he had trained.

Lesson learned. Something worth having is worth working for. You don’t get what you didn’t earn.

Just because a kid is on a high school team doesn’t mean they should get to play. They should have to earn their spot.

I’m still wondering if there is anyone out there that actually doesn’t agree with that. I’ve personally never run into anyone who thinks there should be equal playing time or everyone should get to play once a sport is “competitive”. I’ve run into parents that think their kids should play more but it’s not because they just went out for the team or made the team, etc.

Just because a kid is on a high school team doesn’t mean they should get to play. They should have to earn their spot.

I’m still wondering if there is anyone out there that actually doesn’t agree with that. I’ve personally never run into anyone who thinks there should be equal playing time or everyone should get to play once a sport is “competitive”. I’ve run into parents that think their kids should play more but it’s not because they just went out for the team or made the team, etc.

Depends on the sport. depends on the school.

For example, everyone “plays” in track. Everyone participates in an event or 2 in a meet.

A small school might have small teams. i.e. if you’ve got a basketball team, and not a JV team, and only 7 players, everyone is going to play.

You need to vet out more. That type of thinking is everywhere and not just in sports or just in kids.

You need to vet out more. That type of thinking is everywhere and not just in sports or just in kids.

If you say so. I’m not aware of any school districts that have forced coaches to play everyone or give equal play time to everyone on a team, but maybe my head is just in the sand.

I don’t think your head is in the sand and I agree with you. Parents don’t believe that every kid should play, they believe their kid is the best and therefore he/she should play.

“Little Johnnie is the best one on your team, you need to play him more and you’ll win.”

“Little Susie is the best player you have, why isn’t she playing.”

Those are the types of parents that I have seen and personally had to deal with. It is also the reason I will never coach again, parents…

I misread when I responded but this is what I was talking about. Never suggested a HS forcing the coach to play everyone but I would bet just about anything there is a program somewhere that does given todays society.

Geez, I hope every school plays everyone at least sometime. When you guys say that high school sports are “competitive” what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the goal of the program is to win as many games as possible? If so, I don’t see much benefit to the community or the kids in “winning games”.

The purpose of high school sports is not to rack up glory for your school or community, nor to develop college or Olympic athletes. The purpose is to develop values like teamwork, sportsmanship, the benefits of hard work, and to have fun. That should be the coaches job description and emphasis…if he can be the best coach in the country at developing citizens and never win a game then he is running a wildly successful program.

Maybe we shouldn’t be allowed to participate in triathlon unless we can “win”?

I misread when I responded but this is what I was talking about. Never suggested a HS forcing the coach to play everyone but I would bet just about anything there is a program somewhere that does given todays society.

I coached my daughter’s baseball team this past year for the first time, and the league we’re in follows the provincial rules which has playing requirements. No player can sit out 2 consecutive innings, and no player can sit out twice before every other player has sat out their turn. Technically, we’re supposed to track it from game to game, but I don’t know that anyone does. The idea is that everyone gets to experience the game, but we’re talking B-level mosquito ball, 10-11 yr olds…

Re: high school, my boy is in his first year and went out for the soccer team. He assumed he would just get on because he came from a small school where he was a big fish. Now a little fish in a bog school, he didn’t make the team and it was eye opening for him. There were only 12 spots, and 50+ kids tried out. I don’t know how they play those kids, I don’t follow it since the boy isn’t on the team. In the Summer basketball league he played in, the coach was free to sit out anyone he wanted and often sat out my son. We explained to him why, it got better a bit, but the end result is that he’s a bit discouraged. My daughter, with the play requirements, is dying for next year’s baseball season, she loved it.

I don’t know which is better. I do believe that the role of a coach/league is to promote long-term participation, and having the kids hate the sport cause there rubbing a spot bare on the bench won’t accomplish that. I also believe that kids need to experience some disappointment and reality - life isn’t going to be a no-score game where everyone gets a ribbon just for showing up…

Not much point to that story, I suppose…

My son played travel soccer when he was 12 and 13. He wasn’t the best player and therefore wasn’t getting a lot of playing time. He asked me to talk to the coach. I said, I’m not playing, it is your job to discuss that with your coach. If you want to play more, you need to find out what you need to do. A few games went by and not much had changed. He asked me again and I told him the same thing. The coach told him that he needed to hustle and be more aggressive. He then told me that he didn’t understand what he meant, he thought he was being aggressive and hustling. I went to the coach and the first thing I said is, “I’m not one of those parents, play my son, don’t play my son it is up to you.” He was a younger guy so I said, you told my son what he needs to do but he doesn’t understand so my only request is that when you see someone hustling the way you want, point it out to him and the same thing with the aggressiveness.

He did that and my son took a little from it and played more but he did get better. Still not a great soccer player but he did what the coach wanted and made some improvements.

Like you, not much of a point but I believe it is the kids responsibility to develop and learn from their coach. I’ll help and do what I can but his playing time is up to his coach.

Geez, I hope every school plays everyone at least sometime. When you guys say that high school sports are “competitive” what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the goal of the program is to win as many games as possible? If so, I don’t see much benefit to the community or the kids in “winning games”.

The purpose of high school sports is not to rack up glory for your school or community, nor to develop college or Olympic athletes. The purpose is to develop values like teamwork, sportsmanship, the benefits of hard work, and to have fun. That should be the coaches job description and emphasis…if he can be the best coach in the country at developing citizens and never win a game then he is running a wildly successful program.

Maybe we shouldn’t be allowed to participate in triathlon unless we can “win”?

You live in some bizaro world I don’t understand.

Geez, I hope every school plays everyone at least sometime. When you guys say that high school sports are “competitive” what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the goal of the program is to win as many games as possible? If so, I don’t see much benefit to the community or the kids in “winning games”.

Yes, for whatever reason lots of folks take pride in their community school’s sports teams success. I don’t really get it but that’s the way it is. Competitive is usually contrasted with recreational leagues. For most people playing sports losing sucks and winning is good.

You can’t really compare to adult endurance sports which for the masses are by and large participatory or recreational.

Geez, I hope every school plays everyone at least sometime. When you guys say that high school sports are “competitive” what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the goal of the program is to win as many games as possible? If so, I don’t see much benefit to the community or the kids in “winning games”.

Yes, for whatever reason lots of folks take pride in their community school’s sports teams success. I don’t really get it but that’s the way it is. Competitive is usually contrasted with recreational leagues. For most people playing sports losing sucks and winning is good.

You can’t really compare to adult endurance sports which for the masses are by and large participatory or recreational.

Individual sports (like most endurance sports) are also under a different evaluation than team sports. As a competitive cross country skier in high school, I knew that I wasn’t likely to “win” a race, but as long as my times went down, I was improving. If a coach plays someone in a team sport who isn’t quite up to snuff, the whole team stands to lose.

A lot of parents want their kid to play a team sport when they should be playing (or would prefer to play) something more individual. My dad forced me to play hockey, and I hated it. I was much better at (and therefore enjoyed) things like tennis, squash and cross country. Why not expose kids to both sides and see what they like more? They are much likely to want to do better at something they are enjoying.

*** ****** ****** When you guys say that high school sports are “competitive” what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the goal of the program is to win as many games as possible? If so, I don’t see much benefit to the community or the kids in “winning games”.***

A lot of kids at our high school are on teams to not only have fun but to get college athletic scholarships. They get scholarships based on playing well and winning games. For many of them, they play well and win games based on year-round hard work that started at a young age. I don’t agree with having college sports and athletic scholarships but it is the way it is.

For the community, it is no different to root for the local high school team than it is to root for the local professional team. The benefit to the community is people coming together to cheer for a common cause: winning. If they didn’t want their team to win, they wouldn’t attend the games. If the players didn’t want to win, they wouldn’t go out for the sport. Good sportsmanship and team work are included in training, but it is not why people go to games.

You mention “the benefits of hard work.” What are the benefits of hard work in any endeavor but to win? Students work hard on their math home work to win an “A” just as a sports team works hard to kick the other team’s ass.

even better read http://stevenashyb.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/the-race-to-nowhere-in-youth-sports/
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even better read http://stevenashyb.wordpress.com/...ere-in-youth-sports/

I’m glad we live in the sticks and only have this “professionalization” of youth sports to deal with in a weak form.

Although as a caveat, the simple fact is that at least for soccer if you want to create top class players it’s hard to do so outside of a truly professional structure which the U.S. doesn’t really have and probably accounts for the fact that we’ve yet to produce a world class player.

Both are good articles.

I see the obsession with pushing the kids all the time. Especially in soccer and swim. Parents seem to be crazy. A friend of ours said he had college scouts coming to see his 10 daughter play soccer. Trust me, she’s good but not one of those kids that when you watch a game think, “…this kids way better than everyone.” She’s just one of the better players on the 10 yr old team. Has her on 3 teams and constantly in clinics.

My kids are average players in most of the sports they play. Sometimes my wife will ask if we should be pushing them more or sending them to this clinic or that clinic. I keep telling her, the kids are decent players, not great. I’m not holding out for any scholarships to college. If they want to go to the clinic great, lets sign them up. If they don’t fine, why spend the money if they don’t want to be there.