A cleaner tour...errr

Triathlon Forum
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http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12808.0.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2007/news/story?id=2940506

Germany dropped their T.V. coverage. If an American tested positive, would we lose our VS coverage?

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So much for T-Mobile’s exhaustive testing program…

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Why would guys be doing testosterone when they know it can be tested for?

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That’s why I have verizon
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They were training in the pyrenees… quite remote and testosterone has a very short time-window… it was a gamble, he lost. :slight_smile:

Axel

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It was an out of competition drug test done during the training camp in the pyreneese (sp?) which would suggest that T-Mobile are supportive of a testing program.

Which would be a better indicator of an exhaustive testing program…no positives or some positives?

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Intelligence is not high on the list of must-haves when becoming a pro athlete.

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Why would guys be doing testosterone when they know it can be tested for?

  1. Masking agents.
  2. they think they can avoid the test
  3. desperation
  4. the risk is worth the reward if they don’t get caught
  5. they think others are doing it and have to also to keep up
  6. they trust some doctor who doesn’t care as much if they screw up
  7. …
  8. My opinion: The dopers are still way ahead of of the testers. There is stuff going on that we won’t hear about for years to come. When guys get caught, it is a combination of the doper screwing up the protocol and the testers getting lucky and testing at the right time.
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This is the problem – okay, he tests positive. Now let’s wait and see what really happened. I’ve completely lost faith in the testing agencies. I don’t doubt that there are dopers in the pro peloton and this team has a history but from where I sit the cops are as bad as the crooks.

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I’m just curious about the timing. 5 weeks??? Seems a bit long to me.

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I think the tdf needs to start allowing testing in mulitple countries to confirm doping. This is an international event and all results need to be validated by several different testers

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Hmmm…the sample was taken in Pau, which means that the most likely place it was analyzed was LNDD.

My questions is, why does it seem that all these testosterone positives come out of LNDD? I can’t recall hearing of one coming out of another lab lately. I’m not saying that he’s guilty or innocent (there’s no way of knowing at this point), but that IS an interesting trend.

Also, whatever happened to “A” sample test results being confidential until the “B” sample confirms? Oh yeah, that’s right, that’s one “rule” the rule enforcers conveniently “ignore”…

What a bunch of messed up horse-hockey all around…

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Tom,

My thoughts exactly.

John

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You’re right. Anything coming out of LNDD should be assumed wrong until proven otherwise.

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Depends…you would think this anti-doping program was put in place to deter doping, not garner more bad press because of positives.

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I have completely lost faith in pro-cycling. I´m not sure if there are any non-dopers in pro-cycling.

Axel

I’ve completely lost faith in the testing agencies. I don’t doubt that there are dopers in the pro peloton and this team has a history but from where I sit the cops are as bad as the crooks.

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I read that NADA (the German anti drug agency) did the test. The blood was likely tested in Germany.

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They don’t claim exhaustive tests. They (t-mob) only test for blood doping internally, they do NOT test for testosterone in their internal tests.

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They do claim ‘zero-tolerance’. Read any article on the net about their anti-doping program and they talk a very big game…“We’re the anti-doping leaders.”

Yet, they’re not testing for testosterone? IMO, seems like Stapleton and the gang are talking out both sides of their mouth.

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Why would the threat of more testing inside the team be more of a deterrant than a 4 year ban if caught by the UCI?

Clearly a 2 year ban was no deterrent, adding a further 2 years foe being a member of a pro team was not a deterrant so why would internal testing irrespective of how rigorous be more of a deterrant.

I’d have thought given that teams can not monitor what their members do 24 hours a day seven days a week that the fact that they choose to participate in testing above and beyond the minimum requirements indicate a more serious approach.

I’d also suggest based on cyclings history that if there were no positives that would be far more suspicious than this first positive.

As to the press comment. Any positives are going to garner bad press period.