67 years ago in March

The first Japanese living in the US and Japanese American citizens were sent to internment camps. They were up here in the PNW and the first arrivals came on March 20, 1942. It is eerie how similar our circumstances are at this point in history. It wasn’t until President Regan that the US government made any formal apology.

Fascinating read on Wikipedia. Read the full article.

Selected excerpts which I found particularly interesting and relevant.

President Franklin Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066 on February 19, 1942, which allowed local military commanders to designate “military areas” as “exclusion zones”, from which “any or all persons may be excluded.” This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and most of Oregon and Washington, except for those in internment camps. In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings.
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Reportedly, “within weeks of Pearl Harbor, Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt, head of the Western Command, requested approval to conduct search and seizure operations to prevent alien Japanese from making radio transmissions to Japanese ships.” “The Justice Department refused, however, to seek the warrant without probable cause, the FBI concluded that the security threat was only a perceived one in January, the FCC reported that the Army’s fears were groundless.”
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Knowing that “public opinion would not support the direction of the Justice Department and the FBI, however DeWitt was undeterred.” By January 2, “the Joint Immigration Committee of the California Legislature sent a manifesto to California newspapers summing up ‘the historical catalogue of charges against the ethnic Japanese,’ who, said the manifesto, were ‘totally unassimilable.’” “The manifesto declared that all of Japanese descent were loyal to the Emperor, and attacked Japanese language schools as teaching Japanese racial superiority.” “The committee had the support of the Native Sons and Daughters of the Golden West and the California Department of the American Legion, which in January demanded that all Japanese with dual citizenship be ‘placed in concentration camps’.” It was feared that this population might commit acts of espionage or sabotage for the Japanese military.citation needed] Internment, however, was never limited to those who had been to Japan, but “included a smaller number of German and Italian enemy aliens suspected of disloyalty.” By February, “Earl Warren, at the time Attorney General of California, and U.S. Webb, a former Attorney General, were vigorously seeking to persuade the federal government to remove all ethnic Japanese from the west coast.”
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Civilian and military officials had concerns about the loyalty of the ethnic Japanese on the West Coast and considered them to be potential security risks, although these concerns in some cases may have come more from racial bias than actual risk. Major Karl Bendetsen and Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt each questioned Japanese American loyalty. DeWitt, who administered the internment program, repeatedly told newspapers that “A Jap’s a Jap” and testified to Congress,
I don’t want any of them here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty… It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty… But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map.
Those that were as little as 1/16th Japanese could be placed in internment camps. There is some evidence supporting the argument that the measures were racially motivated, rather than a military necessity. For example, orphaned infants with “one drop of Japanese blood” (as explained in a letter by one official) were included in the program.

Are you watching the same news cast as me, cuz I swear they were just talking about this!

Yup, that’s what inspired me to look it up. A new memorial is being built on Bainbridge Island.

I read a book several years ago, Snow Falling on Cedars, about a family’s experience in a camp and how it effected future generations. It was really interesting and very well written. Big thumbs up.

On a completely unrelated note… I think Jesse Jones is one of the most hilarious personalities on tv. Why do I watch the American news? lol

Jesse Jones…King 5 News.

Get Jesse!

Jesse Jones…King 5 News.

Get Jesse!
That honestly made me laugh out loud here. He’s just too funny.

When I was a freshman in college, I went to a Japanese hibachi restaurant with my dad. At one point, the waiter came over and my dad said something to him in Japanese! I was dumbfounded, not knowing that he spoke anything other than English and the occasional Yiddish. Turns out that, due to a health deferment, he spent some time during WWII teaching in an internment camp in Arizona. He had never spoken of his time there.

Not trying to justify it but it was the times. What else can you say. We did the same thing in Canada during WWII. Also people of German or Italian origin were interned in some cases.

My ex wife’s uncle was born in Italy. Apparently he was given a choice to be interned or he could join the army. He joined the army and was sent to the Italian front as an interpreter. If he had been taken as a POW by the Italians he would have been shot as a traitor since they wouldn’t recognize his Canadian citizenship. Fortunately that never happened and he returned back to Canada as a war hero.

These incidents always look “unAmerican” in hindsight but I guaranty you that, if all of a sudden roadside bombs were being planted in the US by (pick an identifiable ethnic group - e.g Koreans), most Americans (including me) would want our law enforcement officials to profile anyone who looked Korean. Only the most bleeding heart liberal would still put what we would normally consider to be an “unreasonable search and seizure” ahead of their family’s safety.

These incidents always look “unAmerican” in hindsight but I guaranty you that, if all of a sudden roadside bombs were being planted in the US by (pick an identifiable ethnic group - e.g Koreans), most Americans (including me) would want our law enforcement officials to profile anyone who looked Korean. Only the most bleeding heart liberal would still put what we would normally consider to be an “unreasonable search and seizure” ahead of their family’s safety.

That’s because you aren’t identifiably Korean.
“In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

  • Pastor Martin Niemöller

There’s a big difference between “profiling” or “unreasonable search and seizure” and sending entire families to internment camps.

And I’d like to to think I wouldn’t support any violation of our constitution, regardless of the circumstances.

I brought this up because of the fact that it isn’t just those times, it is eerily similar to what we are doing today. This quote in particular is what struck a cord because I hear the same thing coming out of the mouths of people on this board.

I don’t want any of them here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty… It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty… But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map.****

We should have learned our lesson from this piece of our history but we clearly haven’t. This is what I am more worried about than Obama firing the boss of a car company. This is what we really should be worried about.

There’s a big difference between “profiling” or “unreasonable search and seizure” and sending entire families to internment camps.

And I’d like to to think I wouldn’t support any violation of our constitution, regardless of the circumstances.

It is always nice to pontificate from the proverbial Ivory Tower about people’s constitutional rights.

If a person was caught planting an atomic bomb in Chicago which was scheduled to detonate in 30 minutes and the only remaining option to determine the code to defuse it was to torture that person, are you saying you would rather let 2 million people perish than torture that person? What about the right of those 2 million people to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

In other words, I don’t believe you (that is a euphemism). We do not get to shout “fire” in a crowded theater (despite the First Amendment) nor do we get to carry guns on airplanes (despite the Second Amendment). All of our Constitutional rights have limits. I think people’s safety should be paramount when it’s crunch time.

“That’s because you aren’t identifiably Korean.”

I thought about using my ethnic group, the Irish. Since not every good looking person is Irish, however, this would be a bad example.

There’s a big difference between “profiling” or “unreasonable search and seizure” and sending entire families to internment camps.

And I’d like to to think I wouldn’t support any violation of our constitution, regardless of the circumstances.

It is always nice to pontificate from the proverbial Ivory Tower about people’s constitutional rights.

It is always nice to f*** with others’ rights from the safety of majority status.

So, in my example, you think it would be f***ing with the terrorist’s rights to torture him even though 2 million people would perish because of the bomb he planted? Sounds like you’re a candidate to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Wow. Where did this come from? We’re were talking about Japanese internment camps and now suddenly there’s a-bomb in Chicago?

When people feel their safety is in jeopardy, they sometimes are forced to do things they normally would never consider doing. That’s why we have developed such sayings as “between a rock and a hard place” and “the lesser of two evils.”

My point is that in hindsight Japanese internment camps certainly seem awful to almost all of us, but they obviously did not seem so awful to the people living on the West Coast during World War II who were fearful of a Japanese invasion. A lot of good principles which we have woven into our society go out the window when people fear for their safety.

So, in my example, you think it would be f***ing with the terrorist’s rights to torture him even though 2 million people would perish because of the bomb he planted? Sounds like you’re a candidate to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
No, I think your scenario is contrived and based on false assumptions. Not to mention irrelevant to the thread in which you interjected it.

Problem was, the internment camps didn’t turn up a whole lot of threats.

This conversation wasn’t about torturing an individual and an a-bomb in Chicago either. This is about rounding up an ethnic group because of the assumption they are all a threat. Hysteria and extreme examples do nothing to further your argument.