2015 NYC Marathon Time Qualification standards

I was wondering how this works. In my age group 45-49, it says I need a 1:28 half marathon, however, it is unclear if this is 1:28.00 or 1:28.59. It also seems that it is based on your age on Nov 1 2015, in which case I need a 1:32.xx…still need to know what 1:32.xx is…but the 1:32.xx makes signing up for a half marathon next week more enticing. I retired from marathons after Boston 2005 and said the only thing that would get me back to the start line is after turning 50 doing a World Marathon Major like London or New York. Can anyone let me now what if I need to hit :00 or :59? I might have to go on the cabbage and water diet for the next week though!!!

Edit: sorry for the sucky formatting, but not really wanting to edit the table that won’t paste into ST.

2014 NYRR-eligible races: 2014 Fred Lebow Manhattan Half, 2014 NYC Half, 2014 More Magazine/Fitness Magazine Women’s Half-Marathon, 2014 Brooklyn Half, 2014 Staten Island Half, 2014 Grete’s Great Gallop, 2014 TCS New York City Marathon
In order to claim your guaranteed entry, you must submit your application and pay the 2015 processing and entry fees during the application window (PLEASE NOTE: The application will open on January 15, 2015, and will close one month later, on February 15, 2015.). You are not automatically placed in the race. Guaranteed entries that are not submitted during this time period are forfeited.
A limited number of time-qualifier spots will be available to runners who meet the time standards in a non-NYRR race. These spots will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis until the cap has been reached. If you meet the time standards in a non-NYRR race, you will be required to complete the non-guaranteed entry application, to indicate on the application that you are applying as a time qualifier, and to provide your finishing time and the name of the 2014 race. Results must be verifiable online.
The time-qualifying standards are as follows (runners only); all times run must be at least as fast as the posted time:

Men

Age*
Marathon
Half-marathon
18-34
2:53
1:21
35-39
2:55
1:23
40-44
2:58
1:25
45-49
3:05
1:28
50-54
3:14
1:32
55-59
3:23
1:36
60-64
3:34
1:41
65-69
3:45
1:46
70-74
4:10
1:57
75-79
4:30
2:07
80+
4:55
2:15

Women

Age*
Marathon
Half-marathon
18-34
3:13
1:32
35-39
3:15
1:34
40-44
3:26
1:37
45-49
3:38
1:42
50-54
3:51
1:49
55-59
4:10
1:54
60-64
4:27
2:02
65-69
4:50
2:12
70-74
5:30
2:27
75-79
6:00
2:40
80+
6:35
2:50
*Age on November 1, 2015.
About the Time Standards
The TCS New York City Marathon is known for being an extremely diverse race, and at New York Road Runners, we pride ourselves on offering many methods by which runners can gain entry. To continue to promote this diversity, we are excited to announce our decision to increase the number of runners who will be able to earn guaranteed entry by meeting time standards. To celebrate our most competitive athletes, we have also decided to relax those standards.
In reviewing entries from nearly a decade of New York City Marathon history, we found that the percentage of time qualifiers has been inconsistent across the different age categories; qualifying by time was tougher for runners in certain age groups. To redress this imbalance, we have tailored a qualifying standard for each age group, rather than using a single standard, such as an age-graded percentage, for all age groups. We intend for our new standards to offer equal access to our most competitive applicants across all age categories and to allow the highest possible percentage of runners from each category to earn guaranteed entry into the TCS New York City Marathon. We have also considerably increased the number of athletes who can qualify by time.

As far as I know they don’t give you the 59sec. That’s was just some weird Boston loophole they they let it slide.

NY continues to slowly do away with the guaranteed entries so they can place more int’l and lottery runners.

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The NYC “lottery” is a total black box - I don’t trust it. I missed two straight years so I qualified for the 2012 race just before NYRR really cranked up the qualification standards. Now its such a small pool of runners that it only has a negligible impact on the registration cap. NYRR wants (1) charities with high minimum requirements and (2) International tour companies.

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The NYC “lottery” is a total black box - I don’t trust it. I missed two straight years so I qualified for the 2012 race just before NYRR really cranked up the qualification standards. Now its such a small pool of runners that it only has a negligible impact on the registration cap. NYRR wants (1) charities with high minimum requirements and (2) International tour companies.

OK, so based on this, I have to post a 1:32.00 some time between Jan 1 and Dec 31 2014 to race as a 50-54 year old on 1 Nov 2015. Do these qual standards apply to international athletes racing at a half marathon outside the US, or only to US athletes racing US half marathons ?

But even if you meet the standard it’s not guaranteed entry is it? I thought itut you in another lottery pool.

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The NYC “lottery” is a total black box - I don’t trust it. I missed two straight years so I qualified for the 2012 race just before NYRR really cranked up the qualification standards. Now its such a small pool of runners that it only has a negligible impact on the registration cap. NYRR wants (1) charities with high minimum requirements and (2) International tour companies.

I’m all for charities, but I keep my charitable activities largely decoupled from my sport, and therefore when athletes race only for “selfish competition” are pushed out of races for charitable reasons it kind of rubs me the wrong way. It seems like endurance sports are the ones where those who are just there to compete are becoming second class participants like we lack moral compass. Other sports, it is OK to just be there for competition. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I don’t see the masters soccer league having teams pushed out of the league because they are not fundraising. Yeah it is selfish to just frivolously race for the sake of racing, but that’s actually what races were created for. Personally I work hard enough in my day job that I can afford to donate some of my income to my chosen charities without bugging others to part with their money because I am running. That’s just me. I totally appreciate that others will want to use their running to raise money and help other causes…but please leave room in events for the racing focus too :slight_smile:

Oh, I see, it’s first come first serve for the non-NYRR events.

I read the rule last week. It looks like you need to hit the time standard in one of the NYRR races to get guaranteed entry into the marathon. Any other time standard race just puts you in another pool of lottery types.

They actually made the qualifying times easier for 2015 since they’re largely through the guaranteed slots for people in the 2012 race that was cancelled due to Sandy. I suspect almost everyone with a non-NYRR qualifier got in this year if they eased standards. And since a lot of people use the NY Marathon to qualify for next years, there might be fewer time qualifiers in 2015 because the race was so slow. Pro times were +4mins and I think AG hobby joggers were more like 5-10mins off depending on how aggressively someone ran the front 15miles.

I think Dev ought to give it a shot. Worth cabbage and water for a week.

They actually made the qualifying times easier for 2015 since they’re largely through the guaranteed slots for people in the 2012 race that was cancelled due to Sandy. I suspect almost everyone with a non-NYRR qualifier got in this year if they eased standards. And since a lot of people use the NY Marathon to qualify for next years, there might be fewer time qualifiers in 2015 because the race was so slow. Pro times were +4mins and I think AG hobby joggers were more like 5-10mins off depending on how aggressively someone ran the front 15miles.

I think Dev ought to give it a shot. Worth cabbage and water for a week.

I think he should write a blog about his week long “cabbage and water” diet

I’m pretty sure that you don’t get the 59 seconds. I specifically asked the management of NYRR at the Marathon expo on Friday about how it works with the guaranteed entry in terms of qualifying at non-NYRR races. I was told that if you qualify in an NYRR race then it is no questions asked guaranteed entry but if you qualify in a non-NYRR race then it varies greatly from year to year on how many spots are available and if everyone that applies gets one. I have a feeling from the way that I was being answered though that most of the time people get in that qualify through non-NYRR races, so you have a pretty good shot. One thing I would say though is to try to beat the 1:32 by as much as you can just to boost your chances. I didn’t ask this question, but I’m guessing that someone that qualifies with 1:30:xx would get in before the 1:31:59.

“NYRR wants (1) charities with high minimum requirements and (2) International tour companies.”

In fairness to NYRR, I would expect a huge amount of runners are club members who completed 9 of their races in the previous year.

But I would like to see an honest assessment of the lottery, because I have gotten blanked at least 5 times. I have run 2x. Once as a 3x loser of the lottery, and once after running 10 NYRR races the previous year. And I have a friend who has gotten in off the lottery 2 for 2.

the NYRR is pretty open that the odds for people outside the tri-state area are A LOT better than locals. I think they want locals to pursue the 9+1 which is a shame. 9+1 is a major commitment. There are lot of people who important members of the local running communty who don’t run 9 races.

Greatest race in the world, but I’m starting to think that’s in spite of the current NYRR management and not because of it. I hear lots of crazy things that they do to make more money at the expense of some of their best community partners. Also, people shouldn’t think the charity partners get some kind of free pass either. They gauge them, too.

Dev, seriously (love most of your posts), but why not just try for 1.27.59 or lower. Get that into your psyche and think 1.28.nn doesn’t work. Leaves nothing to chance.

Good luck.

If I’m not mistaken, you can only qualify at the races listed in your first post. That being said, there are no more races this year that you can run to qualify for next year’s NYC Marathon. If I am incorrect, please let me know. I am interested in running next year’s race and ran a qualifying time 2 weeks ago. I just noticed this new stipulation that had never been there before.

You can qualify in non-NYRR races for 2015. It was only NYRR races for 2014 because they were still dealing with guaranteed spots for people from the 2012 race which was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy. Most of those people ran last year or yesterday. There are still some people owed slots as part of the “resolution” but they’ve worked through the bulk of those slots. This is letting them ease up on guaranteed slots for charity partners as well as time qualifiers. It is on a first-come, first-serve basis for the non-NYRR races, though. Not only did they open it back up to non-NYRR racers but they also made the time standards a little easier too, which had actually been made harder immediately after 2012’s race, IIRC.

So the key is to get your application in early. I don’t believe the non-NYRR qualifiers are prioritized by time, so it doesn’t matter whether you meet the standard by one second or ten minutes.

Oh wow, thank you for that clarification. It does make sense.
I was scheduled to run in 2012, but took a refund at that time.

I believe you are correct in that time doesn’t matter, so long as it’s under the cut off. And the cut off is :00 not :59

Standards have gotten a lot softer. I just looked to verify your post. I remembered it always being 2:45 Full and 1:19 half for the under 35 group. Always thought the 1:19 was SO much easier than the 2:45, but now it seems the 1:21 might be more easily attainable than the 2:53.

I was thinking that 1:19 half was the cutoff - surprised they adjusted upwards. I ran a 1:20 last year and was thinking of trying to run a half to get in - now all I would need is a sub 1:23.

I think you should list some of those crazy things. From my perspective NYRR remains the main catalyst for one of the best running communities in the world and over the last couple of years - especially with the introduction of the no-frills races for club runners - they’ve really listened to the feedback of the local running community.

9+1 is a huge commitment but I don’t know who designates the “important members of the running community” who are getting shut out. NYRR has limited spaces and unlimited demand so they ration the former by giving guaranteed spots to people who demonstrate the only two OBJECTIVE qualities they can measure - speed and commitment. Seems tough but fair to me.