“so not sure why you’re worried about the 12mph top speed”
Maybe he can actually run, unlike most of the rest of us!!
I have a Vision Fitness tm that I absolutely love. It is rock solid, but only goes to 10 mph. There’s nothing worse than those “Sears specials” that are meant for walking more than running. The two models I narrowed my search down to was Vision and True. They are both top-notch treadmills.
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Yes i need to lie to impress people on slowtwitch… 22 isn’t that fast for sprinting. 24-25 would be college sprint/short distance
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24 mph is 9.32s for 100m, 25 mph is 8.94s. Adding 1 second total loss for the effect of the start, 25 mph would still be world class rather than college standard. Would I be correct in thinking that this is entirely down to the lack of wind drag on the treadmill, which is very significant on track sprinters?
Here’s a small pic of the treadmill, apparently it goes up to 28 mph!
I am getting slammed with snow. It is time to buy a treadmill. Any suggestions on a solid treadmill that can hold 12 mph at a reasonable price?
You’re getting slammed with snow and all you can think about is running? Get on some ski’s, my friend.
We’re praying for snow in minnesota these days…
Maybe he can actually run, unlike most of the rest of us!!
I agree, but according to the following chart http://www.hillrunner.com/training/tmillchart.php , if you’re running at 11mph, your pace is 5:27/mile…increase the incline to 10%, and it goes to 4:28/mile…if he can maintain that during workouts, that’s great, but then why the need for the extra 1-2 mph over most retail treadmills?
I had a Landice L7 that went up to 12 MPH. You should also consider the amount of flex in the deck of the treadmill. If you plan on running a lot of miles on this machine, do not skimp on the price.
No really running then is it? I’ve gone 110 km/h down a hill on my bike to see if I could do it but I wouldn’t say that I did a ride with an average of 78 km/h.
“so not sure why you’re worried about the 12mph top speed”
Maybe he can actually run, unlike most of the rest of us!!
I have a Vision Fitness tm that I absolutely love. It is rock solid, but only goes to 10 mph. There’s nothing worse than those “Sears specials” that are meant for walking more than running. The two models I narrowed my search down to was Vision and True. They are both top-notch treadmills.
I have a Vision Fitness that goes to 12MPH, too. Don’t use that speed too often though, but I have before.
Of course the service tech was out this morning telling me I may need a whole new deck for the 2nd time in 3 years. I’m not overweight either, usually around 165-175 lbs.
Its more than just wind drag, treadmills are much easier than ‘actual’ running. The simplified explanation is that when you run properly your legs have to push your whole body forward whereas a treadmill simply pulls your legs backwards. The treadmill does all the acceleration too when you change speed.
I’ve got a Pacemaster Pro Elite that goes up to 12 mph. It’s a pretty solid machine and well above the quality of the low end consumer machines. I bought it on Ebay. It only had 4 miles on it. Great deal! My wife and I use it all the time.
I have a Precor 923, and i run the shit out of it with no problems. I will set it to 12 mph for 40 min + and the machine still runs smooth … (no i don’t run on it for the whole 40 min’s either. I do intervals and get off in between but leave the machine running at full tilt.)
-its a good machine though. Had to change the belt once, but thats regular wear & tear.
Its more than just wind drag, treadmills are much easier than ‘actual’ running. The simplified explanation is that when you run properly your legs have to push your whole body forward whereas a treadmill simply pulls your legs backwards. The treadmill does all the acceleration too when you change speed.
You’re correct that there is no work to accelerate on a treadmill, whereas there is on the road, but discussions on ST in the past seem to suggest that you’re otherwise doing the same amount of work, aside from the wind drag.
Also, did anyone look at the treadmill speed chart posted above by mileader: http://www.hillrunner.com/training/tmillchart.php . As we all know, aerodynamic drag is not linear with speed, it goes up by some form of a cube law. However the chart shows that at 0% inclination the percentage speed gained by not having wind is the same at 5 mph and 12 mph. Does this seem incorrect?. Wouldn’t one expect that the percentage difference between treadmill speed and “effective road speed” would be smaller at lower speeds due to the none-linearity of the aerodynamic effects?
Makes sense but why do I find it harder to run on a treadmill and maintain pace then I do outside? I must be weird or something.
I’m afraid you’re weird, sorry.
Actually I didn’t know this about treadmills from experience, im just a roadie with a physics degree, it makes sense to me physically that a treadmill should be easier at the same speed as regular running.
I’m afraid you’re weird, sorry.
Actually I didn’t know this about treadmills from experience, im just a roadie with a physics degree, it makes sense to me physically that a treadmill should be easier at the same speed as regular running.
You’d think that but based on a post I put up a few weeks back, I’m not the only one that has this. It was probably 50/50 who said it was harder v. easier. Surprising based on the physics of it all, I know, but fact trumps theory in this case.
In that case I withdraw my previous statement about you being weird.
Yes the speeds compared to outside would be different because of wind drag. obviously the faster you go the harder its going to be to push more air in front of you. Yeah it goes up to 28mph and a 40 degree grade. Its a hell of a treadmill and lots of fun to run on. The reason i said 24-25 is college level on it because a very good runner from University of northern iowa is the one that did 25, and that is cooking. Its not the fact that its fast that is hard its getting on it at that speed because you have to be up to whatever the speed is when you hit your second step or you’re going to have issues.
The most fun though is using power cords that you have probably seen on sprinters where they attatch to your legs and then the person pulls your legs back. Do that a couple times at 40 degrees and 10mph holding on and you’ll want to not walk for awhile.
Grant
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Perhaps it has something to do with the treadmill rolling at a constant speed whereas a runner accelarates and decelerates with every step, this would mean that the treadmill would be harder as you would have more isometric extension or whatever its called (when a muscle is contracting but it is still getting longer (i.e not contracting)). I’m just thinking out loud here so I am probably wrong, its getting more complicated than I initially thought.
Little different you are still doing the work going down a hill you wouldn’t be doing much work. If you think its so easy go try it. Its one of the best speed programs out there, and a lot of sprinters, pro football players, hockey players pretty much every sport has done training there and all have had impressive results. I’d go into more detail but the program doesn’t really relate to tri’s. Maybe during your last few weeks before the season to get speed work or during the season otherwise the program is not set up for tri’s.
Grant
This has got to be PR " The Great " ! Must be true about a possible comeback ; ) …and if you’re not, you must be one fast dude to want a TM that can hold 12mph.
I am getting slammed with snow. It is time to buy a treadmill. Any suggestions on a solid treadmill that can hold 12 mph at a reasonable price?