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IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread
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So the IRONCowboy is just about to start his adventure on June 6th of 50 Ironmans in 50 straight days. One incredible feat if he completes them all, heck, just his travel schedule between the locations looks insane. What are the odds he finishes this task?

http://www.ironcowboy.co/calendar/

http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/multisport-zone/my-story/articles/iron-cowboy-051915.aspx


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I'll put the over/under at 34. I think it's the little things that are the biggest risk (blood blister, saddle sore, sore knee, etc.) since there's really no down time to let anything heal properly.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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I'll put the over/under at 34. I think it's the little things that are the biggest risk (blood blister, saddle sore, sore knee, etc.) since there's really no down time to let anything heal properly.

That and what about mechanical or a weather delay making travel impossible. I assume he will always have some local support and can get on another bike if need be etc, but so many things. If this guy gets it done I think UPS or FEDEX should hire him as their CLO (Chief Logistics Officer).


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
I'll put the over/under at 34.

I'll take the under. I'll call either a logistics problem or plain and simple lack of (good) sleep, followed by saddle sores etc, followed by weather, etc.

I'll be thoroughly impressed if he succeeds (with sufficient witnesses/proof).

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Agree with the 34. 2/3rds of the way in ultradistances is when a lot of bad things happen both physically and mentally. That said, 8 of 21 starters (38%) finished the Triple Deca (30 in 30) in September 2013. With the additional travel and 20 full distance tris more, perhaps a 10-15% chance? We need a betting pool or something.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I've heard crew mutiny as a possible source of failure. Evidently the stress on the support staff is pretty high even in RAAM, which is <2weeks. Nearly two months supporting might make Big Brother look like a cake walk.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [renorider] [ In reply to ]
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Gonna have some hot ones for sure. Planned 13-14 hours to complete them it looks like. If/When he makes the Missouri/Illinois/Kentucky ones I might have to go see this.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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A lot of these endurance challenges, while daunting, are doable. Serious props to him for attempting something that there's a decent chance he won't complete....pushing the envelope, and taking that risk.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
A lot of these endurance challenges, while daunting, are doable. Serious props to him for attempting something that there's a decent chance he won't complete....pushing the envelope, and taking that risk.

He/They did a nice job with the intro video to this project. Basically, someone has to push the envelope to prove that it is possible. Upward and onward.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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We had a different thread on this before where we kind of looked at the logistics and travel time etc, along with recovery. What I'm wondering is, this guy is doing it to promote healthier lifestyle etc. A good cause. But he has absolutely no time after every race to stick around to raise awareness, visit schools, speak at community centers, or do some interviews or whatever, unless maybe it takes place in his RV enroute to the next state. This does kind of diminish the scope of his message, at least while he is in the middle of his 50 days, I would think. Alot can and most likely will be done by his support staff I'm sure but the guy himself has to appear from time to time as well right? And if he does take the time for all of this...then there really is no time for recovery at all.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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50/50
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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I will take the (way) under. 15 would be monumental in my book.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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WAY under.. Give me 13.. Way to much logistically going on. Something will go wrong.

I will lay 5 to 1 for anyone that wants to bet that he will complete this thing ($10 bet, first person to reply with full name and reasonable posting history)

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
I'll put the over/under at 34. I think it's the little things that are the biggest risk (blood blister, saddle sore, sore knee, etc.) since there's really no down time to let anything heal properly.

I'll take the under as well, probably way under. One of his biggest logistical challenges is going to be getting through the first 3 days with Hawaii-Alaska-Washington.

As I mentioned in the other thread, he's going to be passing almost by my house on day 30-something. If he makes it that far, I will personally ride out there and tell him I was wrong.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder what his chances would be on his "home course" of doing 50 IMs in 50 Days. I would imagine even that would be less than 10%..

Given the travel requirements and support needed for the travel and changing venues the chances of success on this are less than 1% OF 1%..

I wish him luck, and IF he completes 30 I will turn into the biggest fan boy, and will be tracking and cheering every step.. Until then, I will watch with detached amusement as he attempts the impossible (foolish?) goal he has set.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Aust1227] [ In reply to ]
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Aust1227 wrote:
WAY under.. Give me 13.. Way to much logistically going on. Something will go wrong.

I will lay 5 to 1 for anyone that wants to bet that he will complete this thing ($10 bet, first person to reply with full name and reasonable posting history)

That's some sweet action...

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thom] [ In reply to ]
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Agree, I think logistics are going to be the biggest challenge. Would be great if he is able to pull it off (I'll put it at 20 days max which in and of itself is still a huge accomplishment). He has some interesting course setups, including full Boston Marathon course as well as IMWI course. Like you, if he is still going when he reaches MA on July 6 I'll try to find him along the last mile of the marathon route to personally say I was wrong and to wish him well on his journey.



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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I feel like I must be missing something here...wouldn't setting up the bike and run courses to work towards his next location make far more sense logistically? By doing loops, out and backs, etc. he is adding an incredible amount of RV travel time to this already impossible task. I would guess that if he set up each Ironman to get him closer to his next location - other than the swim of course - he would save 100+ hours of travel over the 50 days.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Is there a self-imposed midnight cutoff? For example, a flight gets delayed or the freeway that he's on, to go from one state to another, comes to a crawl or closes due to accidents/constructions and causes him to start later in the day hence making him finish after midnight.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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If he completes it, I put the odds of someone accusing him of cheating to get it done at 100%.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Aust1227] [ In reply to ]
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Aust1227 wrote:
WAY under.. Give me 13.. Way to much logistically going on. Something will go wrong.

I will lay 5 to 1 for anyone that wants to bet that he will complete this thing ($10 bet, first person to reply with full name and reasonable posting history)

I'm tempted to take that, if only to make his progress more interesting to me.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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While I'd also love to see him pull it off, also give me the WAY under. Less than 20. The logistics are daunting, plus lack of sleep, the hot temps he'll often see, etc.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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I just hope there are not legs where he has to ride a trainer or run on a treadmill ....hopefully weather/travel will cooperate and prevent that from happening. The guy is nuts...and I will be following :) I want to see his PMC in Training Peaks too.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I believe he will finish under 6.
Not to say that I don't believe in the guy, its just courses like Las Vegas are brutal and having done a few ironmans before times travel will equal blow out.
If anyone can complete something like this, its the IronCowboy... Good luck
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Ozlas] [ In reply to ]
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Ozlas wrote:
I believe he will finish under 6.
Not to say that I don't believe in the guy, its just courses like Las Vegas are brutal and having done a few ironmans before times travel will equal blow out.
If anyone can complete something like this, its the IronCowboy... Good luck

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not knocking the guy for attempting an amazing feat. However there is a few factors, How long will he average on each Ironman? Lets say he does 8 to 9 hrs
Travel time? Lets say 3 to 4hrs
Prep time, Breakfast lunch dinner and so on.
Just trying to work it out on a 24hr basis how each day will fold out. Plus Recovery! I hope he completes it
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Ozlas] [ In reply to ]
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Ozlas wrote:
I'm not knocking the guy for attempting an amazing feat. However there is a few factors, How long will he average on each Ironman? Lets say he does 8 to 9 hrs
Travel time? Lets say 3 to 4hrs
Prep time, Breakfast lunch dinner and so on.
Just trying to work it out on a 24hr basis how each day will fold out. Plus Recovery! I hope he completes it

I think he is planning on 10-12 hours to complete each one.

Then he gets in his RV, where I am assuming has a driver.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Ozlas] [ In reply to ]
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Ozlas wrote:
I'm not knocking the guy for attempting an amazing feat. However there is a few factors, How long will he average on each Ironman? Lets say he does 8 to 9 hrs
Travel time? Lets say 3 to 4hrs
Prep time, Breakfast lunch dinner and so on.
Just trying to work it out on a 24hr basis how each day will fold out. Plus Recovery! I hope he completes it

8-9 hours per ironman?!?! If he could just do 2 of those in 2 days he would be among the most amazing endurance athletes in the world. Isn't his PR like 11:10? He should be shooting for more like 13-14 hours. And food prep can be done by other people. Travel, recovery, food prep and sleep can all be done simultaneously since he is traveling in an RV.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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RowToTri wrote:
Ozlas wrote:
I'm not knocking the guy for attempting an amazing feat. However there is a few factors, How long will he average on each Ironman? Lets say he does 8 to 9 hrs
Travel time? Lets say 3 to 4hrs
Prep time, Breakfast lunch dinner and so on.
Just trying to work it out on a 24hr basis how each day will fold out. Plus Recovery! I hope he completes it


8-9 hours per ironman?!?! If he could just do 2 of those in 2 days he would be among the most amazing endurance athletes in the world. Isn't his PR like 11:10? He should be shooting for more like 13-14 hours. And food prep can be done by other people. Travel, recovery, food prep and sleep can all be done simultaneously since he is traveling in an RV.

I am sure when he did his 30 in a hear there were a many where he was sub 10
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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This says he averaged "just under 12 hours" but I cannot find results for all the races anywhere. Is there a list somewhere?

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/...owboy-james-lawrence


Edit: In here he says is PR is "Low 10 hours"

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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RowToTri wrote:
This says he averaged "just under 12 hours" but I cannot find results for all the races anywhere. Is there a list somewhere?

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/...owboy-james-lawrence


One article I just saw (from October 2014, just after Kona)said that he is a 36 time Ironman finisher. Assumingly those 36 include the 30 long-courses he did in his 2012 Guinness Book record

He did do Kona in 2014 with a time of 12:46

EDIT: Two more I found

Ironman Canada - 2014 : 11:16
Ironman Canada - 2011 : 11:45
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [NeverEnough] [ In reply to ]
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I definitely hopes he makes it to #12 (TX), as he'll be running about 10 minutes from my house. I'd like to meet him and shake his hand.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Boy, you guys sure are throwing around some fast times for this guy, 8 to 9 hours, 12 to 13? If he even gets close, i would guess average times will be easily 15+ hours, and several would not make the usual 17 hour time limit. If he hopes to do this, he will have to mostly fast walk the marathons, and ride around 14/15 miles an hour. Swims will just be relaxing, so probably in the 1;30 range.

To finish this he will have to go as slow as possible, and just make the travel. Any speed pressure he puts out without having to, will doom him later on. Wouldn't surprise me if he averaged 17 hours in the end..
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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This is absolutely incredible. It makes me hurt just scrolling down the page. I personally don't think that it's possible. This might really test the limit of the human body. It'll be fun to watch.

I go with 15 consecutive days before a modification needs to be made. I hope I'm proved wrong though.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I cannot imagine getting to the end of day 3. Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, an ironman in each + transfers + airports + hours in the air + any sleep? Big ask. Unless there is a contingency, like setting up a turbo at the airport and including those miles. This is perhaps harder than 7 marathons in 7 continents in 7 days?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [fruit thief] [ In reply to ]
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2 things: he can sleep in the RV and he can travel as he races. Find a lake, swim 3800M and bike 112 + run a marathon towards the next state line. I think the logistics get a lot less complicated once you hit the continental 48. Mind you I still think he is crazy!
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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ajthomas wrote:
2 things: he can sleep in the RV and he can travel as he races. Find a lake, swim 3800M and bike 112 + run a marathon towards the next state line. I think the logistics get a lot less complicated once you hit the continental 48. Mind you I still think he is crazy!

Some of these state to state drives could be extremely long.

Physically, he can probably do 50/50 in the same spot over 14h each. (I'm not gonna go over the mental strain that would be).

But like said, 14h + driving + sleeping + logistics + eating + whatever... One mishap and the whole thing will get a lot more stressful. RV breaks down, etc...

I say 20 and not because of fitness, but simply because some travel plans will screw up.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [lordhong] [ In reply to ]
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lordhong wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
2 things: he can sleep in the RV and he can travel as he races. Find a lake, swim 3800M and bike 112 + run a marathon towards the next state line. I think the logistics get a lot less complicated once you hit the continental 48. Mind you I still think he is crazy!


Some of these state to state drives could be extremely long.

Physically, he can probably do 50/50 in the same spot over 14h each. (I'm not gonna go over the mental strain that would be).

But like said, 14h + driving + sleeping + logistics + eating + whatever... One mishap and the whole thing will get a lot more stressful. RV breaks down, etc...

I say 20 and not because of fitness, but simply because some travel plans will screw up.


His quest starts tomorrow.

I posted the below in another thread a few months ago. His logistics early on are incredible.

"On the 4th (PDX) and 5th (Santa Cruz) legs there is less than zero margin of error. With a 11 hr drive in an RV, you are not cruising at 70-80 mph. Granted he does not have to adhere to the traditional 7am start, but the ripple effect could be very difficult to overcome if he is delayed that early on in this."
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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I remember reading about that group that did the triple deca ironman (30 ironman races in 30 days), I believe in Italy, a couple of years back. They were all held on the same course, but even then most were working on 3-4 hours sleep. Logistically, just seems very improbable.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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He's also going to race in extremely hot conditions. The Vegas course is going to be pretty bad in June. Same with Ridgeland, MS right by where I lived for a year. It'll be in a few weeks and it could be really really hot.
I assume he will have a bike ready on mainland in case the bike doesn't make it from Hawaii, or from AK?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Might have to ride along for awhile if he makes it to SC/NC.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Aust1227] [ In reply to ]
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I'll take that bet. I think your odds are about right, but I got to believe in my home town guy. If he does make it to Utah. I am going to do the last one with him.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Aust1227] [ In reply to ]
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Aust1227 wrote:
Given the travel requirements and support needed for the travel and changing venues the chances of success on this are less than 1% OF 1%..

Wait, so are you now giving 10,000:1 odds? If so I'll take that right now.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
If he completes it, I put the odds of someone accusing him of cheating to get it done at 100%.

there will not be enough popcorn on the planet for that thread.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [bsmak24] [ In reply to ]
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bsmak24 wrote:
I remember reading about that group that did the triple deca ironman (30 ironman races in 30 days), I believe in Italy, a couple of years back. They were all held on the same course, but even then most were working on 3-4 hours sleep. Logistically, just seems very improbable.

Yeah...I can't imagine what it will be like for his support crew. In Italy, it was a very small course with a shit ton of loops. So support crew and race staff could basically sit in a lawn chair all day as racers would pass by every 10 minutes on their bike or run loops. It looks like this endeavor is going to be mostly point to point courses...so his support crew will need to follow him, or leap frog him in order to provide him with aid and make sure he's doing okay. Then when that day's IM is done...they need to drive to the next site. Also factor in that they can't store 50 days worth of supplies for the entire crew in one RV. They will constantly need to make stops for fuel, food, supplies, do laundry (do RVs have built in washer/dryers these days?), etc. I'm guessing the RV will also need maintenance...such as refilling water supplies, emptying the septic tank, etc.

It seems like a huge task not including the actual IMs that need to be done.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still trying to find these races on any race calendar. Or are these all 'Iron-Distance training sessions'? Which while still beyond impressive is much different than performing actual Ironman races, which require in-person check-in 2 days in advance, bike set-up the evening prior, etc.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [MonkeyClaw] [ In reply to ]
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no they are mostly if not all "Iron Distance Training sessions". Obviously it's not his fault
that there are no IM races on Wednesdays.

So he should win all of them I'm thinking.

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I believe some of the course/cities have changed.

I happened to remember that his NJ race was going to be in Atlantic City, but now it is Sea Bright
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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He did do Kona in 2014 with a time of 12:46

Yeah me. I beat him by 46 seconds.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Misses on day 19 due to injury. Texting/blogging/twitter finger dislocated. No sense doing it if the world can't know.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I rarely mention my podcast here, it's for slow and/or fat people - but we get some pretty good guests. (Mark Allen, Jeff Galloway for example)

We interviewed the Iron Cowboy this week. If you want to skip the intro of two middle aged obese men complaining about their training and injuries, come in at the 20 minute mark.

The show is also on iTunes and Stitcher.

http://backofpack.com/2015/06/01/episode-79-the-iron-cowboy/

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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5 max

Thomas Gerlach wrote:
So the IRONCowboy is just about to start his adventure on June 6th of 50 Ironmans in 50 straight days. One incredible feat if he completes them all, heck, just his travel schedule between the locations looks insane. What are the odds he finishes this task?

http://www.ironcowboy.co/calendar/

http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/multisport-zone/my-story/articles/iron-cowboy-051915.aspx
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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pattersonpaul wrote:
no they are mostly if not all "Iron Distance Training sessions". Obviously it's not his fault
that there are no IM races on Wednesdays.

So he should win all of them I'm thinking.

Looks like he was able to schedule one actual race. The HITS race in NY, so he should win the rest of them.
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pattersonpaul wrote:
no they are mostly if not all "Iron Distance Training sessions". Obviously it's not his fault
that there are no IM races on Wednesdays.
So he should win all of them I'm thinking.

Looks like he was able to schedule one actual race. The HITS race in NY, so he should win the rest of them.

Of course, he has to survive all the way across the country before he gets to NY, which is a pretty tall order:)


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no they are mostly if not all "Iron Distance Training sessions". Obviously it's not his fault
that there are no IM races on Wednesdays.

So he should win all of them I'm thinking.

I'm starting to think that he's channeling Fatcyclist and his 100 Miles of Nowhere. Invent a category that only you can win. This is how I won the first century I ever did. (If you don't understand, exercise your googlefu)
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bsmak24 wrote:
I remember reading about that group that did the triple deca ironman (30 ironman races in 30 days), I believe in Italy, a couple of years back. They were all held on the same course, but even then most were working on 3-4 hours sleep. Logistically, just seems very improbable.


Yeah...I can't imagine what it will be like for his support crew. In Italy, it was a very small course with a shit ton of loops. So support crew and race staff could basically sit in a lawn chair all day as racers would pass by every 10 minutes on their bike or run loops. It looks like this endeavor is going to be mostly point to point courses...so his support crew will need to follow him, or leap frog him in order to provide him with aid and make sure he's doing okay. Then when that day's IM is done...they need to drive to the next site. Also factor in that they can't store 50 days worth of supplies for the entire crew in one RV. They will constantly need to make stops for fuel, food, supplies, do laundry (do RVs have built in washer/dryers these days?), etc. I'm guessing the RV will also need maintenance...such as refilling water supplies, emptying the septic tank, etc.

It seems like a huge task not including the actual IMs that need to be done.


First - I wish him well and would be awesome and amazing if he can pull it off....or even a part of it off. There's no downside for him in my opinion.

And I agree - this will be a huge toll on support crew. From just one day's experience (Norseman last year)... I saw how exhausting it can be for a support crew to follow an IM racer, handing food, drink, driving ahead, waiting, etc etc. Even if they want to try to make it easier...follow him... that would be super taxing because the cowboy will be going slow, RV could be blocking traffic, etc. And yeah, that's a lot of miles begging gremlins to come out and mess with things on the RV, etc.

From one day of little rest, full day supporting, my support crew all crashed in exhaustion like I did. I would have to think they will need to cycle people in and out to keep it all fresh and alert.
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Here is his live bike tracking. 12:05pm (EST) he is @ mile 80

http://livetrack.garmin.com/...75C3F0F2646C96E854C4
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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where did he swim? The tracker starts nowhere near the ocean or a lake.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Pool.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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If he makes this I may have to buy this shirt. Wonder how he is doing.



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Cobble wrote:
where did he swim? The tracker starts nowhere near the ocean or a lake.

probably a pool. Looks like he's going to do a number of pool swims.
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Dan Funk wrote:
Cobble wrote:
where did he swim? The tracker starts nowhere near the ocean or a lake.


probably a pool. Looks like he's going to do a number of pool swims.

It's the pool in Lahaina, Kauai. I swam there last year during my Vacation. There's a masters team that swims there three mornings a week.

It looks like he has several pool swims in his 50 days.

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If he can get through the parts involving air travel (1st couple of days) I think he can do it.
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MNrunner wrote:
If he can get through the parts involving air travel (1st couple of days) I think he can do it.


Think he can do it? Or HOPE he can do it?

Logistics alone make this almost impossible. There is ZERO margin for error in his current plan.

I HOPE the guy does it. But I think it is a fool hardy plan.

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Aust1227 wrote:
MNrunner wrote:
If he can get through the parts involving air travel (1st couple of days) I think he can do it.

Think he can do it? Or HOPE he can do it?

Both.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Did he finish today? For the life of me I can't figure out where updates are on his site. Also check Twitter and didn't really see anything useful. Something about being pulled over by the cops but noting about the day that I could see.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Wouldn't it be better to travel east-to-west for this venture? Every so-often he'd get an extra hour of rest, seems like that'd be beneficial.

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Good thinking. Actually he should have incorporated a few flights around the world east to west to give him a few extra rest days.
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Wouldn't it be better to travel east-to-west for this venture? Every so-often he'd get an extra hour of rest, seems like that'd be beneficial.

Would seem like it to me. Would be a great question for him as to why exactly he structured it the way he did.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [renorider] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
I'll put the over/under at 34.


I'll take the under. I'll call either a logistics problem or plain and simple lack of (good) sleep, followed by saddle sores etc, followed by weather, etc.

I'll be thoroughly impressed if he succeeds (with sufficient witnesses/proof).

I want garmin proof for every leg for all 50 events.

But I agree, Logistics will get him.

He seems fit enough to do 50 of them back to back.

NFI why he is doing 50 different locations.

Should have just done 50 locally.

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Did he finish today? For the life of me I can't figure out where updates are on his site. Also check Twitter and didn't really see anything useful. Something about being pulled over by the cops but noting about the day that I could see.

Yeah, his team is really not utilizing social media in promoting and update his trek on this.

He did finish. Seems like he swam ~1:10, his bike was 6:20:56 (His coach posted his Garmin file on his website), but can't find anything about his run
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He goes east to west on the back half.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently his coach thinks it's super important to have 50/50 L/R power.


http://www.ironcowboy.co/blog/2015/6/6/day-1


SayHey Kid wrote:
logella wrote:
Did he finish today? For the life of me I can't figure out where updates are on his site. Also check Twitter and didn't really see anything useful. Something about being pulled over by the cops but noting about the day that I could see.


Yeah, his team is really not utilizing social media in promoting and update his trek on this.

He did finish. Seems like he swam ~1:10, his bike was 6:20:56 (His coach posted his Garmin file on his website), but can't find anything about his run

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AKCrafty wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to travel east-to-west for this venture? Every so-often he'd get an extra hour of rest, seems like that'd be beneficial.

Would seem like it to me. Would be a great question for him as to why exactly he structured it the way he did.

I did ask him that question actually. I mentioned a podcast in an earlier post.

The structure is so that the most difficult logistics come early instead of later. Flying from hawaii to alaska, then to the lower 48, that's the worst of it. He said that they didn't want to be in a position where if something went awry on the hrdest pieces, it wouldn't be a "made it 48 out of 50" situation. If something throws it off early, it might be easier to reboot. The first 5 days of this are the most insane.

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Just wondering if anyone has gone through his whole calendar and seen any of his days and though "hey that would be a great place to do an Ironman"? I realize that most are probably point to point, but just skimming through and there is some pretty cool photography.

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So that's 2 out of 2 so far?

Judging from his facebook-pictures, that cowboy beard must be costing him 20 min on the bike every day?
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Simple data points and updates are still very poor.

frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I say he makes it to day 5.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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He'll do a few weeks at least. This is the same guy who has previously done 30 IMs in 30 days.

Based on the comment above, I would say that he's maybe doing a little too fast though.
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Simple data points and updates are still very poor.

frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?

If he wants this thing to be legit, he needs to upload those run files. Otherwise, he may be taking a page from Dane Rauschenberg and his RV for all we know.
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He'll do a few weeks at least. This is the same guy who has previously done 30 IMs in 30 days.

Based on the comment above, I would say that he's maybe doing a little too fast though.


I'm pretty sure he did 30 IMs in a year, not 30 days.

There are guys who have done 30 IMs in 30 days, all on the same course. Logistically much easier.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [wannabefaster] [ In reply to ]
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He posted earlier today on Facebook that's he's only gotten 7.5 hours sleep over the last two days. That's not good though it highlights I guess that doing Hawaii and Alaska first made a lot of sense. Get the long flights out of the way early.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [BlackStumpGumby] [ In reply to ]
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What's the best way to follow this? Too much stuff, scattered around. I was thinking he'd make it about 10 days, unless logistics got him first.

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What's the best way to follow this? Too much stuff, scattered around. I was thinking he'd make it about 10 days, unless logistics got him first.

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Liaman wrote:
He'll do a few weeks at least. This is the same guy who has previously done 30 IMs in 30 days.

Based on the comment above, I would say that he's maybe doing a little too fast though.



I'm pretty sure he did 30 IMs in a year, not 30 days.

There are guys who have done 30 IMs in 30 days, all on the same course. Logistically much easier.

Exactly. The travel on top of everything is brutal. I hate commuting 25min to work... let alone a new state each day.
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Yeah the Facebook page seems the best. The website seems to have a very high style to useful information ratio. Like others have mentioned, I'm surprised the social media part of it isn't much better given all the obvious effort that's gone into this.
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I worry that he's going to get RAAM tired and just ride his bike into an oncoming car.

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Exactly. The travel on top of everything is brutal. I hate commuting 25min to work... let alone a new state each day.

I am following this very peripherally, basically via ST so I have not looked a the logistics at all.

If he does each one point to point, he can have a big chunk of the commute to the next state done under his own power. Basically 138 miles of "racing" toward the next state. His support crew can pick him up in the RV at the end of the "marathon" and he crashes out while they drive him toward the next state. He gets over the border and sleeps until it's time to start again.

Might help a little bit..... I'm sure that someone undertaking something this massive has looked at doing things like that.

If he could do something like this, would he wind up insanely fit or would he wind up a broken down shell of his former self? I guess we have to wait and find out.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [wannabefaster] [ In reply to ]
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I said the same thing about setting up the courses to be point to point to get him closer to his next location. Looking through the routes that did not seem to be the case for all the states, which seems like a bad decision...we'll see.

I am very curious how his support situation looks. If he has people taking care of everything for him there is no reason he can't sleep 7-8 hours a night...13-15 hr IM then hit the hay while your support staff takes care of everything else.
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I said the same thing about setting up the courses to be point to point to get him closer to his next location. Looking through the routes that did not seem to be the case for all the states, which seems like a bad decision...we'll see.

Looks like he is using many existing 70.3 and IMs courses plus at least one Challenge and HITS courses.

I don't see any point-to points.

He is promoting the "Run the final 5K" with him for free or a donation, so he needs to finish around some sort of larger urban area
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I said the same thing about setting up the courses to be point to point to get him closer to his next location. Looking through the routes that did not seem to be the case for all the states, which seems like a bad decision...we'll see.

I am very curious how his support situation looks. If he has people taking care of everything for him there is no reason he can't sleep 7-8 hours a night...13-15 hr IM then hit the hay while your support staff takes care of everything else.

I looked at the routes too. No point to point.

I bet he goes close to the 14-15 mark after the first couple of days. Which doesn't leave a lot of time for eating pre-breakfast, post-dinner, shower, etc, then sleep. And he has to do all that while in the RV that is moving to the next destination.

I estimate he won't be able to get his HR much into the 100's after day 4.... therefore my prediction.
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Simple data points and updates are still very poor.

from Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?

Updated splits

from Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
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We are day 5 in Santa Cruz - so I hope that he at least makes it this far! He's going to have a pretty amazing support crew here so I hope he makes it through. We are going to provision aid stations on the bike course, not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club, so there will be food, gels, water and electrolyte available on the bike course. Weather for the bike could be foggy and windy for the start if the wind blows the fog onshore. It's clear today but it's summer here so it could be anything!
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kny wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:
Simple data points and updates are still very poor.


frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?


If he wants this thing to be legit, he needs to upload those run files. Otherwise, he may be taking a page from Dane Rauschenberg and his RV for all we know.


Is this information good enough??

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pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club

Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...
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WebFootFreak wrote:
pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club

Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...

Or run with gorillas?
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WebFootFreak wrote:
pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club


Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...


You're kidding right? Is that supposed to be in pink?

If you're not, the dude can do whatever he wants from my perspective as long as he swims, bikes and runs a full Ironman-length distance a day for 50 days across 50 states. This isn't an Ironman race.

I tend to be a fairly cynical person about things like this...but I'm all in for the IronCowboy. Will he make it? Of course, lots of things that could end it for him. But I hope (and actually expect) he goes a lot farther than most people here are thinking he can.
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If he makes it to day 39, ill go ride with him, he will be getting close to my office. If he makes it that far I am sure I will be able to keep up at that point.
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I'd rather he take extra effort to not draft on the bike. But jeebus, whatever he wants to do is good, too. I don't think it's possible to finish this. I'm blown away he's even trying. If he even gets close, then he's setting a bar for others to try to beat.

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Does anyone know if they're videoing this for some variety of production later?

If he makes it he will definitely have raised the bar.
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BTW, he did a great interview on Rich Roll's podcast recently. Really in depth on why he's doing it and how he'll think he'll do.

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Any thoughts on whatll eventually make him cave - If he does so? I saw his coach wrote he reckoned it would be the bike that brought him down if he failed (and that the key part of success was pacing the bike slowly enough).

I guess if he gives in it will be due to the total fatigue - but I would have thought that the run would prove the hardest part in this 50/50/50? Any thoughts on this?
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NordicSkier wrote:
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Exactly. The travel on top of everything is brutal. I hate commuting 25min to work... let alone a new state each day.

I am following this very peripherally, basically via ST so I have not looked a the logistics at all.
If he does each one point to point, he can have a big chunk of the commute to the next state done under his own power. Basically 138 miles of "racing" toward the next state. His support crew can pick him up in the RV at the end of the "marathon" and he crashes out while they drive him toward the next state. He gets over the border and sleeps until it's time to start again.
Might help a little bit..... I'm sure that someone undertaking something this massive has looked at doing things like that.
If he could do something like this, would he wind up insanely fit or would he wind up a broken down shell of his former self? I guess we have to wait and find out.

I'd bet he'll end up being a broken-down shell. I would venture to guess that, if indeed he ever even does another iron race after this series, he'll be at least an hour slower than his pre-50 PR, assuming equal difficulty of the races, of course. He will prob never feel the same after this extreme bout of over-training.


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I'd bet he'll end up being a broken-down shell. I would venture to guess that, if indeed he ever even does another iron race after this series, he'll be at least an hour slower than his pre-50 PR, assuming equal difficulty of the races, of course. He will prob never feel the same after this extreme bout of over-training.

I hope not. People at the edge always inspire me.

It wasn't that long ago people questioned being able to cover the distance in a regular iron-distance race - and now there are tens of thousands of finishers every year.

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Dan Funk wrote:
WebFootFreak wrote:
pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club


Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...



You're kidding right? Is that supposed to be in pink?

If you're not, the dude can do whatever he wants from my perspective as long as he swims, bikes and runs a full Ironman-length distance a day for 50 days across 50 states. This isn't an Ironman race.

I tend to be a fairly cynical person about things like this...but I'm all in for the IronCowboy. Will he make it? Of course, lots of things that could end it for him. But I hope (and actually expect) he goes a lot farther than most people here are thinking he can.

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kny wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:
Simple data points and updates are still very poor.


frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?


If he wants this thing to be legit, he needs to upload those run files. Otherwise, he may be taking a page from Dane Rauschenberg and his RV for all we know.


Is this information good enough??

http://www.ironcowboy.co/blog/

I'd like to see the run data. Now, I don't think he's cheating, but take some or all of the marathon out of the equation every day (or many days) and this gets much easier. Dane Rauschenberg hopped in an RV for stretches of his solo 202 mile American Odyssey Relay run, and was only caught out due to internet sleuthing and poorly timed tweets by Dane. Again, I don't think 50/50 is doing this, but he should be producing Garmin files of these runs to allay any skeptics out there.
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ericmulk wrote:

I'd bet he'll end up being a broken-down shell. I would venture to guess that, if indeed he ever even does another iron race after this series, he'll be at least an hour slower than his pre-50 PR, assuming equal difficulty of the races, of course. He will prob never feel the same after this extreme bout of over-training.

I hope not. People at the edge always inspire me.
It wasn't that long ago people questioned being able to cover the distance in a regular iron-distance race - and now there are tens of thousands of finishers every year.

Sure but 1 day is very diff from 50 in a row. We'll see...:)


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Well, he's running the Boston Marathon route which is net downhill so that makes this whole thing a sham.
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kny wrote:
TylerJ wrote:
kny wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:
Simple data points and updates are still very poor.


frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?


If he wants this thing to be legit, he needs to upload those run files. Otherwise, he may be taking a page from Dane Rauschenberg and his RV for all we know.


Is this information good enough??

http://www.ironcowboy.co/blog/


I'd like to see the run data. Now, I don't think he's cheating, but take some or all of the marathon out of the equation every day (or many days) and this gets much easier. Dane Rauschenberg hopped in an RV for stretches of his solo 202 mile American Odyssey Relay run, and was only caught out due to internet sleuthing and poorly timed tweets by Dane. Again, I don't think 50/50 is doing this, but he should be producing Garmin files of these runs to allay any skeptics out there.

Ah, so you want the actual map he ran? Because all the other run data is right there.
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WebFootFreak wrote:
pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club


Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...


You're kidding right? Is that supposed to be in pink?

If you're not, the dude can do whatever he wants from my perspective as long as he swims, bikes and runs a full Ironman-length distance a day for 50 days across 50 states. This isn't an Ironman race.

I tend to be a fairly cynical person about things like this...but I'm all in for the IronCowboy. Will he make it? Of course, lots of things that could end it for him. But I hope (and actually expect) he goes a lot farther than most people here are thinking he can.

Why would I be kidding? He's either willing to draft or he isnt. The question was simply: Is he? I personally think that if he is, it'd be pretty damn cool to lend that little bit of support for a bit. I agree 100% that it matters not how he does it. I just want to see him cross that 50th finish line.
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He's basically invited anyone who will join him on the routes. That will greatly break up the monotony of the whole thing. Doing 112 mile social group rides is a lot less taxing on the brain than solo TTs.
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WebFootFreak wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
WebFootFreak wrote:
pennib wrote:
not so much for James but for all the people who want to do the ride with him from our local club


Makes me wonder if he's willing to accept draft help from people on the course...



You're kidding right? Is that supposed to be in pink?

If you're not, the dude can do whatever he wants from my perspective as long as he swims, bikes and runs a full Ironman-length distance a day for 50 days across 50 states. This isn't an Ironman race.

I tend to be a fairly cynical person about things like this...but I'm all in for the IronCowboy. Will he make it? Of course, lots of things that could end it for him. But I hope (and actually expect) he goes a lot farther than most people here are thinking he can.


Why would I be kidding? He's either willing to draft or he isnt. The question was simply: Is he? I personally think that if he is, it'd be pretty damn cool to lend that little bit of support for a bit. I agree 100% that it matters not how he does it. I just want to see him cross that 50th finish line.


Thought you were being critical of him potentially drafting off folks who might want to join him. Read it the wrong way. My bad.

If the dude makes it to Benton Harbor MI (granted a big if)... I will go share some of the ride and break the wind for him a bit.
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Does it matter even if he did draft?

He is doing the distance not actual races.

Its not like Jimmy R is on a motorbike next to him handing out cards.

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just noticed the guy is sponsored by Young Living.......he should 100% make it knowing that he has his essential oils to get him through the rough patches!!

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On Rich Roll's podcast, he said that a film crew is documenting it.

Like many here have already mentioned, I am a big fan and look forward to the updates every day! If he makes it to #40 in Indiana, I'll be there to run with him!



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I agree. If anyone wants to complain about him drafting they should duplicate his effort and show it can be done without any drafting. The guy is a hero in my book if he completes half his goal.
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I now know what a hiatal hernia is. Do not want.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Day 4. I was a skeptic that thought he couldn't make it past 2. See how the next couple of days go.
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Day 4. I was a skeptic that thought he couldn't make it past 2. See how the next couple of days go.

Today is an early start day. Based on his calendar and a comment of his FB page, he was in the water today at 5am (PST)
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Dan Funk wrote:

If the dude makes it to Benton Harbor MI (granted a big if)... I will go share some of the ride and break the wind for him a bit.

I'll be there too, already in my Outlook calendar.


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Does it matter even if he did draft?

He is doing the distance not actual races.

Its not like Jimmy R is on a motorbike next to him handing out cards.


I was not criticizing him for drafting. I was defending him if he did or was going to. I thought someone else was questioning him if he did draft. But, I don't think that's the case.


So...

I believe no one here would fault the guy for drafting.

That clear to everyone?
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I would. Just because.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [MarvinTPA] [ In reply to ]
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I can't begin to fathom the triple anvil races let alone duo or triple decas but this seems so much harder even if it's not a "race". it's more akin to Dean K running coast to coast vs back to back ultras.

So I think what he is attempting is amazing physically, mentally and as others stated - logistically as well. there is just so much that can go wrong that is out of his control and I wish him all the luck and good fortune to complete it. If he gets to day 45 I am going to join on the ride and 5k.

good luck Cowboy!
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I agree. If anyone wants to complain about him drafting they should duplicate his effort and show it can be done without any drafting. The guy is a hero in my book if he completes half his goal.

The story I got from talking to Utah peeps about this last weekend was he was living in a parent's basement, unemployed, with his wife and kids on welfare, while trying to make himself famous by doing multiple IMs instead of getting a job. He sounds like a clown desperate for attention, not a hero.
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First, it is amazing what this guy is doing.

With that said, I am curious as to how is he financing this (and all of his) endeavors? Is he independently wealthy? Is this being entirely funded by sponsors? I can only manage to sign up for one or two (or three) races a year and I am pretty financially secure. All I could find on the guy is that he is a coach (triathlon) and personal trainer...he must be one hell of a coach/trainer. He has been all over the world doing 70.3s and full Ironman's over the past few years, great that he is able to do it, just am curious as to how he is doing it.

Good luck to him, maybe I can make my way up to Sea Girt, NJ on July 4th to ride/run a bit with him...but my prediction is that he doesn't make it past day 20.

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Well obviously I wasn't speaking of his personal character as I know nothing about that. My "hero" comment was from an athletic/physical ability aspect. I hope you have confirmed all of that before posting it in a public forum.
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Arch Stanton wrote:
arby wrote:
I agree. If anyone wants to complain about him drafting they should duplicate his effort and show it can be done without any drafting. The guy is a hero in my book if he completes half his goal.


The story I got from talking to Utah peeps about this last weekend was he was living in a parent's basement, unemployed, with his wife and kids on welfare, while trying to make himself famous by doing multiple IMs instead of getting a job. He sounds like a clown desperate for attention, not a hero.

Do you know any of this to be true???
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jwadtri wrote:
First, it is amazing what this guy is doing.


With that said, I am curious as to how is he financing this (and all of his) endeavors? Is he independently wealthy? Is this being entirely funded by sponsors? I can only manage to sign up for one or two (or three) races a year and I am pretty financially secure. All I could find on the guy is that he is a coach (triathlon) and personal trainer...he must be one hell of a coach/trainer. He has been all over the world doing 70.3s and full Ironman's over the past few years, great that he is able to do it, just am curious as to how he is doing it.

Good luck to him, maybe I can make my way up to Sea Girt, NJ on July 4th to ride/run a bit with him...but my prediction is that he doesn't make it past day 20.


His sponsor list is pretty impressive


http://www.ironcowboy.co/partners/
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Day 4. I was a skeptic that thought he couldn't make it past 2. See how the next couple of days go.

The guys who did the triple deca (30IM in 30days) last year or 2013 all said they got stronger after the first 7-10 days until the last 2-3 days and their times showed it. It'll be hard to compare his times as the course is different everyday but ff he can make it through the first week I think he'll do fine barring injury.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Updated splits

from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08
.............Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12 (as per his FB page, he needed to swim an additional 300 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
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It's all pretty impressive
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Arch Stanton wrote:
arby wrote:
I agree. If anyone wants to complain about him drafting they should duplicate his effort and show it can be done without any drafting. The guy is a hero in my book if he completes half his goal.


The story I got from talking to Utah peeps about this last weekend was he was living in a parent's basement, unemployed, with his wife and kids on welfare, while trying to make himself famous by doing multiple IMs instead of getting a job. He sounds like a clown desperate for attention, not a hero.

Not sure how that matches up with the cost of attempting this.
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Granted, I'm tapering, but over these three days I ran 10 miles, swam 2600 yards, and ran 5 miles. Oh, I had a day off, too.

Who's the Iron Cowboy now, bitch?
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Updated splits

from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08 (Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12. He swim an additional 400 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
Day 4 - Oregon - 1:23/6:30/5:04 = 12:58
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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I'd rather he take extra effort to not draft on the bike. But jeebus, whatever he wants to do is good, too. I don't think it's possible to finish this. I'm blown away he's even trying. If he even gets close, then he's setting a bar for others to try to beat.

Agree with all your statements except for this one.

I've learned to be very skeptical about saying that any feat of endurance is impossible to finish. Individuals just keep proving me wrong.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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The blog on his website that his coach is writing is very interesting.

He want's him taking 7 hours on the bike, almost using it as recovery time.

Today is day 5. The next 5-10 days are going to be the hardest.

Days 35-45 will be killer as well.


Ah fuck, it'll all be stupid hard..mentally more than anything.
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Apparently he was dozing off on the bike yesterday. That's not surprising as it sounds like he's not getting the sleep in. As so many have said in one way or another, the logistics are a big, if the not the biggest, obstacle.
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The blog on his website that his coach is writing is very interesting.

He want's him taking 7 hours on the bike, almost using it as recovery time.

Today is day 5. The next 5-10 days are going to be the hardest.

Days 35-45 will be killer as well.

Ah fuck, it'll all be stupid hard..mentally more than anything.

As I stated somewhere in this thread, I really wish his team utilized social media more, especially some type of "on the road" type blog of the behind the scenes.

I don't even look at my own data files, so I have zero interest in his and what his pedal power ratio is, etc

To me, and I think like many, the logistics of all this is the most intriguing aspect of it.

I enjoy looking at his map and trying to figure out better routing and/or why did he choice location "A" or "B"
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TylerJ wrote:
kny wrote:
TylerJ wrote:
kny wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:
Simple data points and updates are still very poor.


frpm Garmin and/or comments
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:09/6:33/? = ?


If he wants this thing to be legit, he needs to upload those run files. Otherwise, he may be taking a page from Dane Rauschenberg and his RV for all we know.


Is this information good enough??

http://www.ironcowboy.co/blog/


I'd like to see the run data. Now, I don't think he's cheating, but take some or all of the marathon out of the equation every day (or many days) and this gets much easier. Dane Rauschenberg hopped in an RV for stretches of his solo 202 mile American Odyssey Relay run, and was only caught out due to internet sleuthing and poorly timed tweets by Dane. Again, I don't think 50/50 is doing this, but he should be producing Garmin files of these runs to allay any skeptics out there.


Ah, so you want the actual map he ran? Because all the other run data is right there.

I want Garmin and/or Strava files for 50 bikes and 50 runs. If he pulls this off it should be unimpeachable. Dane Rauschenberg proved to me that you can go in with the best of intentions for an epic endurance feat, but when the going gets tough and the comfy RV is right there next to you, that the urge to hop a ride may be hard to overcome. Power files and HR stats are nice, but I would think that for a "world record" attempt like this that they would provide GPS proof for each and every bike and run. Right now for the runs we're essentially just getting a time.
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Did you look on his website?

It's all right there.
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I'll look again. That's good. When I checked the blog it was just screen caps of a mobile app summarizing the workouts.
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Liaman wrote:
ZenTriBrett wrote:
I'd rather he take extra effort to not draft on the bike. But jeebus, whatever he wants to do is good, too. I don't think it's possible to finish this. I'm blown away he's even trying. If he even gets close, then he's setting a bar for others to try to beat.


Agree with all your statements except for this one.

I've learned to be very skeptical about saying that any feat of endurance is impossible to finish. Individuals just keep proving me wrong.

the problem with these endurance feats, if he does complete someone else will go for longer, rather than faster. (ex, 100 ironmans/100days or 50 ultramans 50 days). No one wants to be fast these days.

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synthetic wrote:
Liaman wrote:
ZenTriBrett wrote:
I'd rather he take extra effort to not draft on the bike. But jeebus, whatever he wants to do is good, too. I don't think it's possible to finish this. I'm blown away he's even trying. If he even gets close, then he's setting a bar for others to try to beat.


Agree with all your statements except for this one.

I've learned to be very skeptical about saying that any feat of endurance is impossible to finish. Individuals just keep proving me wrong.

the problem with these endurance feats, if he does complete someone else will go for longer, rather than faster. (ex, 100 ironmans/100days or 50 ultramans 50 days). No one wants to be fast these days.

You seem to be confusing "endurance" and "speed".


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No one wants to be fast these days.

You can't be serious. Have you ever read the ST forum? There was a discussion here last week on the aero penalty of a watch.
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Four IM distances in four days at around a 13 hour average is pretty darn quick. Could you duplicate the effort thus far?
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50 Ironmans in 50 days = over 7 weeks. Avg Ironman of maybe 13-16?
That's 91 to 112 hours per week for over 7 weeks!!!

How many 100hr weeks do you think you could do before you pop?

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Day four was interesting. He fell asleep on the bike, took a nap. Then did the run in time to get a plane to avoid the 10.5 hour drive to the next site. Hopefully he is wellrested for today.

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50 Ironmans in 50 days = over 7 weeks. Avg Ironman of maybe 13-16?
That's 91 to 112 hours per week for over 7 weeks!!!

How many 100hr weeks do you think you could do before you pop?

I wonder- If he rested and tapered after all of this was over and then actually raced an IM, how would he do? I'd guess sub-10 easily.

Not that he would. I'd imagine this experience will ruin racing IMs for him in the future.






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50 Ironmans in 50 days = over 7 weeks. Avg Ironman of maybe 13-16?
That's 91 to 112 hours per week for over 7 weeks!!!

How many 100hr weeks do you think you could do before you pop?

If it was all low zone 1 I think I could keep it up for quite a while but I have no interest in finding out.


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We are at 28 miles on the bike on day 5. We've got a group of 4 riding with James. Swim temp was 59 and he was very cold coming out of water. Weather has been good but wind is starting to come up.

More later as we progress through the day
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We are at 28 miles on the bike on day 5. We've got a group of 4 riding with James. Swim temp was 59 and he was very cold coming out of water. Weather has been good but wind is starting to come up.

More later as we progress through the day

Did he start as planned? Both time and location?

Based on the tracker info, he seemed to have started the bike about 15+ miles away from the Santa Cruz boardwalk, and much later than 8:30am-9am (PST)

I assume that the tracker was not working properly
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Yes. He started right at Cowell beach and the wharf by the boardwalk. We couldn't get his Garmin to pair with Bluetooth so he just took off. It may have started working later.

We are currently waiting at the top of what is likely the biggest climb of the day between Pescadero and Half Moon Bay. We have convinced him to do a course change and turn around at HMB and not climb hwy92. It's too steep and not very safe. He will make up the distance with a couple of loops back in Santa Cruz.
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I am not sure about the time but I am positive he started riding from Cowells Beach.
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Big hills and headwinds. Headed back to SC at mile 40. Now doibg an out and back on hwy 1 to davenport and back to make up additional miles. Brutal wind and the temperature has dropped.

Luckily there were some fresh riders who picked up to do some pulling in Santa Cruz. Hope to be on the run by 4
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boy, if you guys can update this thread in real time that is great! good luck to him today. good to get him off 92 and yay for the cyclists out there with him!


okay i don't know why but i hate the website. i cannot find a calendar that is a real calendar - showing where and when. and NONE of the pictures? are loading.

anyway, teh FB page is MUCH better (IMO) than the website. pictures,info - all there. https://www.facebook.com/Ironcowboy

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I will have to sign off when they get on the run. I have to go coach s swim workout.

They turned around and are headed back to town right now. There's also spitting rain! Go figure. I think from the hurricane down in Mexico. Way more humid here than normal as well
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pennib wrote:
Now doibg an out and back on hwy 1

Did he take the lane?
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No. Shoulder us plenty wide.

He's about a mile out from transition.
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Yep, talk about crazy weather. It poured at my place on Thursday. Been raining all day starting last night and might go into tomorrow. Then 100 for Friday. Nuts.

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I will have to sign off when they get on the run. I have to go coach s swim workout.

They turned around and are headed back to town right now. There's also spitting rain! Go figure. I think from the hurricane down in Mexico. Way more humid here than normal as well

Awesome updates. Thanks much!
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downesy wrote:
pennib wrote:
Now doibg an out and back on hwy 1


Did he take the lane?

FTW
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downesy wrote:
pennib wrote:
Now doibg an out and back on hwy 1


Did he take the lane?

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Day 5 is in the bag. A big group ran the last 5k with him. Besides James' incredible feat, watching how his crew and family work as a team was inspiring too. If he comes near your area you would be doing him and yourself a favor to tag along for some of the swim, ride or run.
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Day 5 is in the bag. A big group ran the last 5k with him. Besides James' incredible feat, watching how his crew and family work as a team was inspiring too. If he comes near your area you would be doing him and yourself a favor to tag along for some of the swim, ride or run.

If he DNF's tomorrow, I win this prediction thread.

What a crazy mofo... his muscles have to be in rough shape.
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There is not an once of quitting in this guy. I hope he holds together and his whole crew is spared any major logistical complication.
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Day 5 is in the bag. A big group ran the last 5k with him. Besides James' incredible feat, watching how his crew and family work as a team was inspiring too. If he comes near your area you would be doing him and yourself a favor to tag along for some of the swim, ride or run.

While certainly having his family along for the journey thus far provides very positive motivation, inspiration and encouragement, I can also see how this could become a unnecessary hindrance and complications especially if they are all travelling in the same RV. How do you keep 5 (I think?) small children occupied for that long in a confined space? Plus with the limited amount of downtime that James has it is filled with fueling, resting, treatments, etc

Also, as this journey keeps picking up steam and it moves eastward towards more tighter and more urban places especially when the race occurs on weekends, what appears to be the growing amount of "tag alongs" could be hazard and squashed by local law enforcement if they are not being controlled, monitored and planned for.

Hopefully James has an advance team that is working ahead in each location to go thru the day plans with the powers to be.

At least the logistics get somewhat better after last night. The next 3 legs after Las Vegas are all between a 4 and 5 hour commute.
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I may have missed it but this story doesn't even seem to have hit the front page of this very site.
Wonder if that is meant as a commentary on how likely its success is viewed.
While he isn't going to "win" anything, I'd say this is pretty serious news in the world of tri.
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I may have missed it but this story doesn't even seem to have hit the front page of this very site.
Wonder if that is meant as a commentary on how likely its success is viewed.
While he isn't going to "win" anything, I'd say this is pretty serious news in the world of tri.

I think we need to see at least 1/3 completion before any media picks up on this thing.

The plan is too audacious and too far fetched for media to waste their time on it. Once he gives a good faith deposit of 16-20 in the bank, I think folks will start to cover the story.

BTW, I don't think he has a chance in hell. Logistics alone are WAY too complicated.

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I may have missed it but this story doesn't even seem to have hit the front page of this very site.
Wonder if that is meant as a commentary on how likely its success is viewed.
While he isn't going to "win" anything, I'd say this is pretty serious news in the world of tri.

I didn't mean imply that it is worldwide coverage, just that it seems that the "tag alongs" have gone from just a handful to a dozen or more and has grown with each leg 1 to 5, it is not going to take many on a bike or run leg to cause traffic and/or safety concerns, etc

In a statement I never dreamed I would every make as a adult....in monitoring his "Likes" on his FB page, they have gone up about 1K a day since this has started. So more and more people are becoming interested, or at least curious
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SayHey Kid wrote:
Trirunner wrote:
Day 5 is in the bag. A big group ran the last 5k with him. Besides James' incredible feat, watching how his crew and family work as a team was inspiring too. If he comes near your area you would be doing him and yourself a favor to tag along for some of the swim, ride or run.


While certainly having his family along for the journey thus far provides very positive motivation, inspiration and encouragement, I can also see how this could become a unnecessary hindrance and complications especially if they are all travelling in the same RV. How do you keep 5 (I think?) small children occupied for that long in a confined space? Plus with the limited amount of downtime that James has it is filled with fueling, resting, treatments, etc

Also, as this journey keeps picking up steam and it moves eastward towards more tighter and more urban places especially when the race occurs on weekends, what appears to be the growing amount of "tag alongs" could be hazard and squashed by local law enforcement if they are not being controlled, monitored and planned for.

Hopefully James has an advance team that is working ahead in each location to go thru the day plans with the powers to be.

At least the logistics get somewhat better after last night. The next 3 legs after Las Vegas are all between a 4 and 5 hour commute.


From Facebook... looks like they just hit first big logistics snag. Think he had to sleep in back of a Suburu on way to Vegas (as RV could get there "fast enough" going to start late this morning, etc. Hope they can get it sorted...but when you start "burning matches" with logistics, start-times, etc... would imagine it will be tough to make them up. Wishing him luck...
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At least the logistics get somewhat better after last night. The next 3 legs after Las Vegas are all between a 4 and 5 hour commute.



From Facebook... looks like they just hit first big logistics snag. Think he had to sleep in back of a Suburu on way to Vegas (as RV could get there "fast enough" going to start late this morning, etc. Hope they can get it sorted...but when you start "burning matches" with logistics, start-times, etc... would imagine it will be tough to make them up. Wishing him luck...[/quote]
Wow.. Let me show you my shocked face.. A logistical issue when someone was trying to do 50 IM in 50 states in 50 Days.. Shocking!! /pink

For reference, even God took a day off in case something went wrong!

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50 Ironmans in 50 days = over 7 weeks. Avg Ironman of maybe 13-16?
That's 91 to 112 hours per week for over 7 weeks!!!

How many 100hr weeks do you think you could do before you pop?

Not even sure I would make it through a 70 hour week, let alone consecutive 100s
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We had some of the same thoughts yesterday. Here's how the day went, outside of the posts on progress that I made. Now take this from an outsiders perspective because I am sure that this crew is working really hard and over 50 days I can't imagine that he will be able to maintain the same crew unless they are all on vacation or not gainfully employed!

He arrived in the Subaru in Santa Cruz at the beach about 6:45 with 4 bikes on a rear rack and a kayak on top. A photo crew arrived in a separate car.

They get in and swim and when James gets out he's literally shivering from head to toe. Plus he has some blisters and we have a discussion with one of the crew about somebody going to get him some moleskin but our problem is we don't have anyplace in our town that is open that early in the am that is easy to get to that wouldn't result in a big delay.

Finally get him warmed up and dressed and he gets on a bike he has never ridden before (yes...evidently true) and then the call goes out for some tools to fix the seat because it's too high. Luckily we have enough people there with wrenches to fix that problem. Next problem...tubular tires with no spares. But off he goes hoping that it will be okay and luckily it was but he had nothing on that bike.

His crew gives us his food and water bag because if we are going to be out there supporting the club/local riders who are coming along then we can take his stuff too. That's okay, not an issue there but here was the strange thing...no RV yet because it couldn't get there from Portland in time, no other cars in their caravan and we didn't see any of his crew on the course at all until the very end coming back into town and they were parked at a deli getting lunch about 12 miles out of town. Also okay because they have to eat too and we had been texting back and forth so we knew they had at least arrived in town. His wife and kids parked the RV and went off to the National Marine Sanctuary Center (I can't even imagine what it would be like to try and do this with 5 kids in tow!).

We also have to have a discussion about the bike course because there were a couple of spots where his posted course wasn't going to work because you can't see concrete barriers and no places to turn around on a map my run course! So the whole course is a kind of on the fly thing and we turned around before getting to HMB because of the hills and he wanted a flatter course. So we head back into town and then back out of town to Davenport again but the wind has come up something fierce and back we go into town to finish the ride on some flat loops around town. I think he was pretty tired back in town and it took him quite awhile to eat, change, get his feet looked after and get back on the course. By this time we count about 7 or 8 crew people (including the cameras) and I have to give him this...he was incredibly focused and patient with all the fussing and rearranging going on. One of our crew set up a "picnic" and a towel for him in the parking lot with tons of food, nuts, drinks, chips, etc plus he had a paper bag with some food set in the lot so he just sat down and started to eat and recover a bit.

So when we get back into town and parked while waiting for the riders to finish their last little bit and there are probably 5 people from his crew milling around. One is wondering who the local organizer is who set up their 5K for them. We all look at each other like "What?" He says "who is the race ambassador for Santa Cruz?" One of the runners who drove almost three hours to come and run with him says there isn't anyone listed on the website. So this guys goes into a bit of a tailspin about how they are going to figure out a 5K course and where it starts and ends and how are they going to know where it is, etc. We all stand around looking at each other like WTF???

So I go onto our website and pull out a 5K from one of our races give it to them. He asks if we can stick around and handle this and we have to say no because I have to go coach my swim workouts. So two people from our tri club are there with mtn bikes to help lead him and out I tell them where the turnaround point is because they have the local knowledge.

We wrap up the day by cleaning everyone's gear out of our truck that we had been using for course support and I give the crew guys the bag of food that James had used on the ride, wish him well before he starts off on the run and we take off.

Over the course of the next few hours people were texting and posting on facebook about where to start the 5K and what time to show up, etc. Somebody finally sent out a message on Jame's blog about it. Then his crew sent me another text wondering if I still had his bag of food.

Now in all fairness we realize it takes a village to pull something like this off but we all walked away with the perspective that nobody is really in charge (except James) and it was pretty disorganized. Nobody really seemed to be in charge of the overall logistics and schedule. Now maybe that's not the case and we just didn't see it but if this is going to be successful they are going to have to tighten up their logistics pretty substantially. I think that distances on a map look a lot shorter when you're plotting out your routes but two back to back days that require 10 - 12 hour drives between does not bode well for his well being. He told me he hadn't been able to get much rest and that is going to really take a toll as this goes on.

Just my 2 cents.
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Wonder what happens if logistics gets the best of him and he can't pull off one day. Cut the run short to get back on schedule for the next day? Take a day off and continue? Or, pull the plug and go home. Is this all or nothing, or does he recoup and move on should plans need to be altered?
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if he makes it to july 13 let me know and i'll see if i can find a group and pull him thru the bike



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Day 5 is in the bag. A big group ran the last 5k with him.

Here's what I think will happen... At some point, a group of people will join him, all in good will. And one of those nice people will accidentally take him out of the journey. It won't be on purpose. It might be a trip and fall. Although, I'd bet on some sort of virus. His immune system will be running on low and some nice bloke will pass on their virus. The more people that come out, the more likely this will happen.






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Wonder what happens if logistics gets the best of him and he can't pull off one day. Cut the run short to get back on schedule for the next day? Take a day off and continue? Or, pull the plug and go home. Is this all or nothing, or does he recoup and move on should plans need to be altered?

Good questions.

The web site certainly seems to have the all or nothing tone to it. Expectations for this thing are set way to high. I know 50/50/50 sounds nice.. But Memorial day to Labor day, all 50 states and someone MIGHT be able to pull it off.

He doesn't have a chance logistically to make this happen. Too bad.

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Aust1227 wrote:
kny wrote:
Wonder what happens if logistics gets the best of him and he can't pull off one day. Cut the run short to get back on schedule for the next day? Take a day off and continue? Or, pull the plug and go home. Is this all or nothing, or does he recoup and move on should plans need to be altered?


Good questions.

The web site certainly seems to have the all or nothing tone to it. Expectations for this thing are set way to high. I know 50/50/50 sounds nice.. But Memorial day to Labor day, all 50 states and someone MIGHT be able to pull it off.

He doesn't have a chance logistically to make this happen. Too bad.

I had no idea you felt this way, only 3 posts in the past hour
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Yikes - I thought this guy had a shot at doing this, but if this is how disorganized his planning and logistical support is, then I would have to say probably not. He should have recruited an ex-armed forces logistics manager to plan and run things, and probably just had his family meet him at a few locations. So my prediction is he gets to about 20, and then comes back in a year or two for a second go at it with a more organized and better planned effort.
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There is not an once of quitting in this guy. I hope he holds together and his whole crew is spared any major logistical complication.

He might not want to quit, but his body cannot sustain this.

It's going to be blazing hot today in Vegas. He's done.
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I have to agree with you. We were discussing yesterday what a bunch of totally Type A triathletes and project mangers would do with something like this...a professional project manager and a serious operations plan and regimented schedule would definitely be in the mix. I mean really...having the guy sleep in the back seat of a Subaru all night while driving to Las Vegas is not the way to do this. I never got to see the RV so I have no idea if it's new, how big, etc. but it takes a car about 10 - 12 hours to drive to Vegas from Santa Cruz. It takes an hour to get to a major highway that would get him headed in the right direction!

If this was me (and that's not ever going to happen - LOL) I'd probably have an advance crew at the next day's location doing some major route scouting and route verification, fly into the area instead of even trying to drive so that a hot shower and a good bed was waiting at the hotel, etc. on some of these days. If you look at a schedule on a very good day assuming a finish at 8 - 9 pm you have at most 9 - 10 hours before the next day's swim start. Somewhere in there is food, massage, planning and sleep. I am sure the thinking was to get in the RV and get on the road almost immediately but that just isn't happening. Maybe possible if you only have a 4 or 5 hour drive between places and that's still not optimal for rest (and you've got 5 kids in the RV?).

I hope he does it but my gut tells me that at some point there is going to be either a physical or mechanical issue that derails the plan because there are just no contingencies possible in this whole operation.
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pennib wrote:

Now in all fairness we realize it takes a village to pull something like this off but we all walked away with the perspective that nobody is really in charge (except James) and it was pretty disorganized. Nobody really seemed to be in charge of the overall logistics and schedule. Now maybe that's not the case and we just didn't see it but if this is going to be successful they are going to have to tighten up their logistics pretty substantially..


Thanks for the wonderful recap.

From someone with a even further outside perspective on this, the above certainly seems to be the case.

On one of his earlier run, he was given a pair of sneakers that was a size too small. He has misplaced his HR or GPS. Simple stuff that should not be occurring

On his one and only podcast, he stated "we probably need to come up with a checklist or something". Really?!?!?!? (He is also appears to be the his own Social Media Director)

Its quite disappointing honestly that something that should have been a "no brainer" easy solution months ago and not a discussion point "today" could be his end game.

He does not have to be Captain and Crew for this entire thing. Though hopefully it is not too late for someone to step-up as the Logistics Capitan, or have someone with experience to come along that is willing to jump on this trek and take over.
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NordicSkier wrote:
Trirunner wrote:
There is not an once of quitting in this guy. I hope he holds together and his whole crew is spared any major logistical complication.


He might not want to quit, but his body cannot sustain this.

It's going to be blazing hot today in Vegas. He's done.

This is my guess too. He reported that he slept in the back of a car to get there so started late and it's going to be super hot. Earlier in the week he reported that he was falling asleep on the bike while riding. If he makes it to the start tomorrow I'll personally be surprised. But my original guess was that he'd make it 5 days so I was wrong before and I could be wrong now too.

The logistics of this are just insane.
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Facebook page says he had to swim 3000 yards with 1 arm because he hurt his other shoulder. Got through it, but definately could be in trouble going forward.
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Facebook page says he had to swim 3000 yards with 1 arm because he hurt his other shoulder. Got through it, but definately could be in trouble going forward.

Keep in mind this is the guy who was hyping this thing by saying doctors said it could kill him. There may be a bit of P.T. Barnum involved here.
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He does seem to be remarkably adaptable, to make up for some lack of organization.
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Yikes - I thought this guy had a shot at doing this, but if this is how disorganized his planning and logistical support is, then I would have to say probably not. He should have recruited an ex-armed forces logistics manager to plan and run things, and probably just had his family meet him at a few locations. So my prediction is he gets to about 20, and then comes back in a year or two for a second go at it with a more organized and better planned effort.

OMG i'm SHOCKED. i ASSumed he had all the routes already planned! I can't imagine doing this AND figuring out your routes on teh fly (well actually I did an IM like that once but the organizers knew the route - they just kept it secret from the athletes...). I agree Kay. I'm a bit dumbfounded here that nothing is planned in advance...

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Thanks for the first-hand insight on what is happening. For such a massive undertaking as this, the amount of pre-planning and also having contingencies in place is staggering, and something is bound to go wrong or even be out of their control regardless of how well they planned. Some of the things you've described though sound like they are winging it as they go (sleeping in a Subaru?) and could be things that would ultimately thwart the whole plan.

Still, huge props for what he has been able to do so far (remembering how I felt the day after doing IM each time I did it, could not imagine summoning the physical/mental energy to do it again the next day never mind the five he has finished already since starting this quest). I really hope he does pull it off but as I mentioned earlier in the thread a few weeks back, I think the logistics involved will ultimately be what brings this to a halt. I hope I am wrong, still planning on meeting up for the end of the run if he makes it to Boston on July 6 as planned.



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I am curious as to how much it is expected to cost? Anyone know? Flights, food, etc etc.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Yikes - I thought this guy had a shot at doing this, but if this is how disorganized his planning and logistical support is, then I would have to say probably not. He should have recruited an ex-armed forces logistics manager to plan and run things, and probably just had his family meet him at a few locations. So my prediction is he gets to about 20, and then comes back in a year or two for a second go at it with a more organized and better planned effort.


OMG i'm SHOCKED. i ASSumed he had all the routes already planned! I can't imagine doing this AND figuring out your routes on teh fly (well actually I did an IM like that once but the organizers knew the route - they just kept it secret from the athletes...). I agree Kay. I'm a bit dumbfounded here that nothing is planned in advance...

He has them all mapped out, if you view his website you can see all the routes

He has had some issues that he has had to change his routes though
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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I looked at his list and he appears to be picking existing courses when available rather than planning this to minimize travel time. He also does not appear to be taking advantage of geographic locations where he could stay in the same place for a couple nights and knock of three or four states with minimal travel. Heck, even rock stars these days plan their tours so, whenever possible, they can stay in the same hotel for several nights and make short bus trips to multiple venues . . . .
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You wonder how much of his shoulder discomfort today is relating to sleeping in the back of a cramped Subaru?


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [STP] [ In reply to ]
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For example, there are at least 3 lakes in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio that are about 5 miles from each other. Get a hotel room in Angola and you are off the road for 3 days. https://www.google.com/...f:0xd1878475af633463 [edit, I tried clipping the map but it did not work]

Instead he's driving from Cleveland, Ohio to Benton Harbor, Michigan - 313 miles. Then to Muncie, Indiana - 183 miles.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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You wonder how much of his shoulder discomfort today is relating to sleeping in the back of a cramped Subaru?



His FB page says he hit the deck on the bike today. That's what happens when your fatigue is too high...
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:

You wonder how much of his shoulder discomfort today is relating to sleeping in the back of a cramped Subaru?




His FB page says he hit the deck on the bike today. That's what happens when your fatigue is too high...

You mis-read his post.

" Something happened with my shoulder today and I literally swim 3000 yards with one arm. Then out on the bike trail big John Rose took one for the team and hit the deck hard. He is okay though
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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I think that was somebody he was riding with, right?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [pennib] [ In reply to ]
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Finally get him warmed up and dressed and he gets on a bike he has never ridden before (yes...evidently true) and then the call goes out for some tools to fix the seat because it's too high. Luckily we have enough people there with wrenches to fix that problem. Next problem...tubular tires with no spares. But off he goes hoping that it will be okay and luckily it was but he had nothing on that bike.

Was there any explanation for this? I can somewhat understand some of the other logistical difficulties that he and his support crew were having...but riding your own bike and having at least a plan for a flat seems like one of the few things that shouldn't be hard to plan for.

If they can't get that right...it's scary to think of all the other things they could possibly fumble on.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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Nobody said anything about why. There were three other bikes on the rack
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Facebook page says he had to swim 3000 yards with 1 arm because he hurt his other shoulder. Got through it, but definately could be in trouble going forward.


Keep in mind this is the guy who was hyping this thing by saying doctors said it could kill him. There may be a bit of P.T. Barnum involved here.

Falling asleep on the bike could kill him.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Another logistic misstep IMHO. It does not appear that even once is he taking advantage of doing a point to point bike/run and cutting down on car or RV time. If you are going to ride/run 138 miles, why retrace that for 2 hours in a car? In my camp out in Angola, Indiana example, on the Indiana day, he could head west out of town after the swim and be within sight of Illinois at the end of the run. He could have done Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois with less than an hour of total drive time.
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Another logistic misstep IMHO. It does not appear that even once is he taking advantage of doing a point to point bike/run and cutting down on car or RV time. If you are going to ride/run 138 miles, why retrace that for 2 hours in a car? In my camp out in Angola, Indiana example, on the Indiana day, he could head west out of town after the swim and be within sight of Illinois at the end of the run. He could have done Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois with less than an hour of total drive time.

As mentioned somewhere in this thread, it appears that he is trying to keep these as close to urban/larger population areas as much as possible for his 5K charity runs, support, etc

While your Angola works perfectly as described. It is really out there in nowhere land.

In looking at the map, I do see some logistic anomalies (I assume there are a few others, I quickly spotted these) that unless there is specific reasons why he could not do it the best way, makes him go out of his way for no reason.

He is doing VA>WC>MD.

He should have done VA>MD, and then pick up WV in PA>WV>OH

Also, he is doing MA>NH>ME, where it is logistically more prudent to do MA>ME>NH
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As mentioned somewhere in this thread, it appears that he is trying to keep these as close to urban/larger population areas as much as possible for his 5K charity runs, support, etc

While your Angola works perfectly as described. It is really out there in nowhere land.

In looking at the map, I do see some logistic anomalies (I assume there are a few others, I quickly spotted these) that unless there is specific reasons why he could not do it the best way, makes him go out of his way for no reason.

He is doing VA>WC>MD.

He should have done VA>MD, and then pick up WV in PA>WV>OH

Also, he is doing MA>NH>ME, where it is logistically more prudent to do MA>ME>NH

There is a lot of head scratching just prior to that too. Pensacola > Atlanta > Myrtle Beach > Charlotte > Williamsburg > Morgantown > Cambridge. That is a ton of back and forth across states that doesn't make any sense at all. If he did Pensacola > Savannah > Myrtle Beach > Wilmington > Williamsburg > Cambridge it would drastically cut out travel time. Do as you say and cut out WV until later.

This thing is looking like it could really become just a huge comedy of errors
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Hitting high population areas makes sense. But he's doing Benton Harbor, MI, which is only slightly bigger than Angola, Indiana (both are around 10,000) but to get there he's driving an extra 2.5 hours after passing by Detroit (population about 4 million) on his way there from Cleveland . . . . Benton Harbor does have a longstanding HIM race and it he appears he is basically doubling up on that course so that's probably the reason. A quick glance at his itinerary leads me to believe much of this was done by selecting existing triathlons to work off of.

I'm no expert but my thought is this comes down to how well you manage the off hours and travel, and this does not look to be set up with that as the number 1 priority. But, raising money is a worthy goal if that is his no. 1.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Twotter] [ In reply to ]
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Hell, he could do double Morgantowns, SavageMans, and Pittsburghs and hit three states while keeping one HQ location.

He's going to have to be flexible. On-the-fly course changes to avoid hills and wind seems to be par for the course, and is surely wise. I wish he had scheduled in a few rest days, because I think it would dramatically increase the odds of him completing this. It would give them just a little leeway room for the inevitable complications and give his body just the slightest chance for recuperation. But, 50/50/55 isn't quite as cool, I guess.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Twotter] [ In reply to ]
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I have been following the Cowboy for the last few days and today is looking quite brutal.

According to Garmin LiveTrack, he has been on the bike for 4 hours+ and he is clocking in at 13.87 mph (56.06 miles). He has climbed 3600+ feet, it is hot and he still has a marathon to go. Not to mention a four hour drive to Flagstaff. The logistics seem to be getting very difficult, very quickly and there are just not enough hours in the day.

I hope he gets it done but there seem to be some problems early on.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [stuartk] [ In reply to ]
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I'm with you. I hope he does it - but it seems so unlikely. Logistics, injuries, small details, big details, travel, weather. He is a few days in and a lot is catching up with him. Hopefully he finds some cooler weather and better sleep. Maybe that will help.
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SayHey Kid wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:

You wonder how much of his shoulder discomfort today is relating to sleeping in the back of a cramped Subaru?




His FB page says he hit the deck on the bike today. That's what happens when your fatigue is too high...


You mis-read his post.

" Something happened with my shoulder today and I literally swim 3000 yards with one arm. Then out on the bike trail big John Rose took one for the team and hit the deck hard. He is okay though

My bad. You're right. But seriously... at that level of fatigue, cycling on public roads is a recipe for getting killed.
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Over 6,000 ft of climbing on the bike tomorrow. Ouch.
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Lord knows I am his biggest supporter, I want him to do this so bad, I believe he can.


That being said, today doesn't look good...

Idk.
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Over 6,000 ft of climbing on the bike tomorrow. Ouch.

At a certain point, I think he's going to have to pick some 2-5 mile loops that are favorable in terms of lack of climbing, road surface, shade, and shelter from any potential wind. I also think it will be a huge benefit to his support crew as it will allow them to stay stationary for the most part. Since he isn't taking advantage of point to point courses to cut down on travel, I think we're going to see these adjustments soon.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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From his FB page...

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We're now deviating from our original course as we've only been able to average 13 miles per.



Looks like that started today. Original route was 7,600 ft of climbing.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Yikes - I thought this guy had a shot at doing this, but if this is how disorganized his planning and logistical support is, then I would have to say probably not. He should have recruited an ex-armed forces logistics manager to plan and run things, and probably just had his family meet him at a few locations. So my prediction is he gets to about 20, and then comes back in a year or two for a second go at it with a more organized and better planned effort.


OMG i'm SHOCKED. i ASSumed he had all the routes already planned! I can't imagine doing this AND figuring out your routes on teh fly (well actually I did an IM like that once but the organizers knew the route - they just kept it secret from the athletes...). I agree Kay. I'm a bit dumbfounded here that nothing is planned in advance...


He has them all mapped out, if you view his website you can see all the routes

He has had some issues that he has had to change his routes though

i'm missing that. i see nothing but blank pages with the cities. the website SUCKS. I really hate it. they need to have:
1. a map of the country with each state linking to its own state wtih signups and coordinators designated.
2. identify the highschools in each town he leaves from and get volunteers there.
3. have signups for each swim coordinated by the masters/local/HS swim team for donut and coffee brought to the pool/swim start along with volunteers for swimming and T1.
4. RV needs to kick the family out and put them in a van.
5. cowboy goes in RV.
6. have a point person per town (IDd on website so you can contact them for info/volunteering) to coordinate food/first aid/mechanicals/athletes to accompany and maybe even a driver to the next town. this would give a fresh driver each and every night.
7. have signups to buy breakfast/nutrition from a local food place or LBS as support (i.e. random acts of donuts/pizza).
8. have a person dedicated JUST to social media. have the point person for each town have each event (S/B/R) point person write up a blurb and take lots of photos and pass this to the main social media person. once the state is done update the website and have a thankyou page replace the state signup page in item 1.
9. i need to work a bit but back with more.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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"i'm missing that. i see nothing but blank pages with the cities. the website SUCKS. I really hate it. they need to have:
1. a map of the country with each state linking to its own state wtih signups and coordinators designated.
2. identify the highschools in each town he leaves from and get volunteers there.
3. have signups for each swim coordinated by the masters/local/HS swim team for donut and coffee brought to the pool/swim start along with volunteers for swimming and T1.
4. RV needs to kick the family out and put them in a van.
5. cowboy goes in RV.
6. have a point person per town (IDd on website so you can contact them for info/volunteering) to coordinate food/first aid/mechanicals/athletes to accompany and maybe even a driver to the next town. this would give a fresh driver each and every night.
7. have signups to buy breakfast/nutrition from a local food place or LBS as support (i.e. random acts of donuts/pizza).
8. have a person dedicated JUST to social media. have the point person for each town have each event (S/B/R) point person write up a blurb and take lots of photos and pass this to the main social media person. once the state is done update the website and have a thankyou page replace the state signup page in item 1.
9. i need to work a bit but back with more. "

Those are great ideas. If you could load the website and FB page you would see that most of that is already in place.
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ah, well, then, nevermind. i wonder how he keeps ending up having to make up routes on teh fly though? and why he seems to never have food? maybe they put the most incomplete states first when he'd be more fresh. dunno. wish all that showed up when i load their website though. i'll try on my laptop and then try IE.

OMG! what a difference! there is SO much i missed. i thought they were just really lazy with the website. i loaded in IE and SO MUCH more appears now. thanks!

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I had a glimpse into how they operate yesterday. They changed the bike course halfway to avoid too many hills and strong winds. Hills could have been foreseen with better planning, but even us locals would have had a hard time predicting the winds. They do try and have a local 'ambassador' for each stage whose job it is to plan courses and offer logistic help. The ambassador was MIA and pennib on this forum and a few others jumped in to offer any help they could provide. I am unsure about the food situation. They did plan the route with Hawaii and Alaska first to tackle the longest travels when fresh. Check the calendar page on the website when you can. I agree with Jason who said he expects adjustments on the fly will be needed. They do seem able to make those in strides.
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I had a glimpse into how they operate yesterday. They changed the bike course halfway to avoid too many hills and strong winds. Hills could have been foreseen with better planning, but even us locals would have had a hard time predicting the winds.

This is actually a fantastic idea for WTC, and one which I am sure would prove to be very popular. If you are part way through an IM and it seems too tough, there could alternate routes that cut out the hills.
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At mile 95.6 of the bike in Vegas. I'm surprisingly feeling great! Thank you to the random stranger that brought me out ice and water &#8234;#&#8206;fightthefight&#8236;&#8234;#&#8206;ironcowboy&#8236; #505050
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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You are welcome to do your own ironman distance triathlon anytime and on any course of your liking. That has nothing to do with WTC. As long as the distances are proper it is an ironman distance course.

With that said, "there could alternate routes that cut out the hills." is exactly what they have done to the Ironman Lake Tahoe course over the years. It is clear that if you want a tough course you would be better of avoiding WTC but go to Norseman, Embrunman, etc
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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Those are great ideas. If you could load the website and FB page you would see that most of that is already in place.

Huh? I don't think ANY of them are in place. Certainly not an advance team and detailed volunteer info.

I am really fascinated by all the logistics of this and rooting for him to go far in his quest, but this was poorly planned
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Did you see the information about ambassadors? Did you see the FB events for each state? It's all there - even though unfortunately scattered, I agree. Could it be different and better organized? Yes, of course. But it's a first time event and I repeat his whole team seems to take it in strides and smoothly adjust on the fly.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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can you give a direct link to the FB/state stuff? I have looked everywhere and loaded the website in 2 different browsers but am missing that. Fuck me that was HARD! JHC they need to do something about that.

here is tomorrow. https://www.facebook.com/events/374544936072597/

no, that might not be it. JHC it should not be this hard.

https://www.facebook.com/...aironcowboy/?fref=ts

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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Trirunner wrote:
Did you see the information about ambassadors? Did you see the FB events for each state? It's all there - even though unfortunately scattered, I agree. Could it be different and better organized? Yes, of course. But it's a first time event and I repeat his whole team seems to take it in strides and smoothly adjust on the fly.

Honestly I wasn't even aware of the FB event pages, but that is still direct to the point. You need to search individually for them and there is no master link on the offical FB page or website.

I see nothing about ambassadors on the website (unless you are referring to the individual FB pages)

Its is quite simple to have all this in one place.

Who cares this is a first time event and his team takes it all in stride. They are not planning a High School dance.

All these issues should not even be issues with just a little foresight, planning and having a a designated or quasi Social Media Director
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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I agree the information is scattered.
You can apply to become an ambassador by clicking the links at the bottom the website. For example, scroll down on this page: http://www.ironcowboy.co/media/
Note that they already have media links to article published yesterday, so they are on top of that.

I am willing to cut them some slack because of the first time and the magnitude of the task. Alternatively, they could have spent another 3 years planning each minute details, listening to the no-sayers and never left Utah. He has already achieved more than many expected. What is wrong with that?
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As Trirunner says they did a great job of adjusting on the fly. I think that will be the key to success. But it's really James who makes those calls based on how he feels. Today they made changes for flatter roads.

I noted that there is a lot of climbing tomorrow. Isn't there some significant elevation in Flagstaff? That could also be a critical factor that you can't adjust for.

What was missing in Santa Cruz was that local input. Plus any local input should take into account the ongoing fatigue factor as well. The distance can't change, but there needs to be continued flexibility on the courses. Just picking an existing local race course may not cut it.
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I agree the information is scattered.
You can apply to become an ambassador by clicking the links at the bottom the website. For example, scroll down on this page: http://www.ironcowboy.co/media/
Note that they already have media links to article published yesterday, so they are on top of that.

I am willing to cut them some slack because of the first time and the magnitude of the task. Alternatively, they could have spent another 3 years planning each minute details, listening to the no-sayers and never left Utah. He has already achieved more than many expected. What is wrong with that?

I came across harsh and I did not mean that. I apologize.

But :)

Here is the link for tomorrow. There is NOTHING that I can see on it about who the ambassador is, volunteering, meeting places, what is needed, etc
https://www.facebook.com/events/374544936072597/

I am focusing solely on the "off road" stuff that should have been planned, or just delegated properly to people that has expertise in it, and let his core support crew focus on the daily race.

The "on the road" stuff does seems that James is doing a wonderful job in adpating for the unknown, the unforseen.
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Boy does this bring back memories when I crewed for RAAM in 2009. I remember the climb to flagstaff. Just driving the RV was tough.

But the route was planned to every turn and it was still super super tough, on both the rider, and the crew. And that was only 12 days of no sleep.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Good point about tomorrow's event. I guess it will be updated later? If you look at today's page you will see more details. It does appear they are barely managing the day at hand and have no time to focus on the next day.

I went out to meet him yesterday. In the end, I chose to leave him alone after exchanging just a few words as it was the end of a long day, he looked pretty beat and I did not want to become a burden. I did not foresee spending time with his supporters, crew and family while we were waiting for him but I am very glad I did. There is a dimension to his venture that is easy to overlook and difficult to explain, but they all operate seemingly in an harmony which I found very inspiring. They may be making mistakes, lacking planning and organization to the point where it may jeopardize the whole project, but I have no doubt they will learn, adapt and rebound, in one way or another.
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BRING IT ON VEGAS!!! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! Freak shoulder issue forcing me to swim over 3000 yards doing a one armed drill - Close to 100* - Two riders go down - 4 flats - two bike changes !! I'd like to introduce you to my IronCowboy WILL, my IronCowboy HEART, my IronCowboy DRIVE, my IronCowboy CONVICTION. All you haters thought today was you day to say 'I told you so!' Vegas has taken down many before me... So to tell you Vegas that today isn't you day! I'm kicking this marathons ass then I'm outta here!
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BRING IT ON VEGAS!!! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! Freak shoulder issue forcing me to swim over 3000 yards doing a one armed drill - Close to 100* - Two riders go down - 4 flats - two bike changes !! I'd like to introduce you to my IronCowboy WILL, my IronCowboy HEART, my IronCowboy DRIVE, my IronCowboy CONVICTION. All you haters thought today was you day to say 'I told you so!' Vegas has taken down many before me... So to tell you Vegas that today isn't you day! I'm kicking this marathons ass then I'm outta here!

Using all caps and exclamation points is great for making up for poor planning.

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BRING IT ON VEGAS!!! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! Freak shoulder issue forcing me to swim over 3000 yards doing a one armed drill - Close to 100* - Two riders go down - 4 flats - two bike changes !! I'd like to introduce you to my IronCowboy WILL, my IronCowboy HEART, my IronCowboy DRIVE, my IronCowboy CONVICTION. All you haters thought today was you day to say 'I told you so!' Vegas has taken down many before me... So to tell you Vegas that today isn't you day! I'm kicking this marathons ass then I'm outta here!


Using all caps and exclamation points is great for making up for poor planning.

Isn't it too easy to troll on a post that specifically mentions 'haters'. Sorry but you come across as jealous with stuff like this. If you think he made a mistake with logistics then say that but critiquing the capitalization of a Facebook post is tantamount to name calling and finger pointing.
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BRING IT ON VEGAS!!! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! Freak shoulder issue forcing me to swim over 3000 yards doing a one armed drill - Close to 100* - Two riders go down - 4 flats - two bike changes !! I'd like to introduce you to my IronCowboy WILL, my IronCowboy HEART, my IronCowboy DRIVE, my IronCowboy CONVICTION. All you haters thought today was you day to say 'I told you so!' Vegas has taken down many before me... So to tell you Vegas that today isn't you day! I'm kicking this marathons ass then I'm outta here!

Whom exactly are his "haters"? I am not seeing that.

Even here in this much discussed thread, most of the criticism is related to what appears to be poor planning and impractical logistics. But I think most are coming at that (certainly myself) from a level of concern and not hate.

Those that are predicting that he does not finish race number "A" "B" or "C" are doing so due to the logistics and not wishing/wanting that James not setting a record.
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BRING IT ON VEGAS!!! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! Freak shoulder issue forcing me to swim over 3000 yards doing a one armed drill - Close to 100* - Two riders go down - 4 flats - two bike changes !! I'd like to introduce you to my IronCowboy WILL, my IronCowboy HEART, my IronCowboy DRIVE, my IronCowboy CONVICTION. All you haters thought today was you day to say 'I told you so!' Vegas has taken down many before me... So to tell you Vegas that today isn't you day! I'm kicking this marathons ass then I'm outta here!


Whom exactly are his "haters"? I am not seeing that.

Even here in this much discussed thread, most of the criticism is related to what appears to be poor planning and impractical logistics. But I think most are coming at that (certainly myself) from a level of concern and not hate.

Those that are predicting that he does not finish race number "A" "B" or "C" are doing so due to the logistics and not wishing/wanting that James not setting a record.


I don't know who his haters are, I don't know what kind of messages he his getting via facebook/twitter/instagram.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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No indication on FB that he finished the run yesterday?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Updated splits (no T1 or T2 times are included in the overall total)

from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08 (Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12. He swim an additional 400 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
Day 4 - Oregon - 1:23/6:30/5:04 = 12:58
Day 5 - California - 1:26/6:46/5:30 = 13:43
Day 6 - Nevada - 1:34/7:31/6:19 = 15:24
Last edited by: SayHey Kid: Jun 12, 15 8:47
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [badgertri] [ In reply to ]
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No indication on FB that he finished the run yesterday?

My guess would be that it will all be updated today. On his website, the last blog update said he was 4 miles from their finish.


While their social media and stuff isn't great, I am sure they have other shit to worry about as soon as he's done.
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Shot of the "cruising vessel"




https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/...f47c&oe=55EE00C2
Last edited by: SayHey Kid: Jun 12, 15 7:35
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I wouldn't be surprised if they worry about the upcoming swim in Arizona since alledgedly he swam onehanded nearly the whole way yesterday.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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Where is his blog on his website?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [work2tri] [ In reply to ]
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Scrolll all the way to the bottom of the page and there is a link ... http://www.ironcowboy.co/blog/
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [longtrousers] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't be surprised if they worry about the upcoming swim in Arizona since alledgedly he swam onehanded nearly the whole way yesterday.

Based on someone that was there and was posting updates on her FB page, seems like he had no issues in the swim and someone also swam with him that was pulling a boy with cerebral palsy for the entire swim.
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The official blog and Facebook are totally blank for today. Wonder if there's no cell signal or something like that
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [pennib] [ In reply to ]
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He mentions on his Facebook post that tracking is down because of no cell service

Make Inside Out Sports your next online tri shop! http://www.insideoutsports.com/
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I've said before, my cynical side can easily find fault with these endeavors...but I am all in with the Cowboy.

I love it that they are winging it. I love that it's haphazard. Could they do better, go longer if they would have military-type (or triathlete type-A) planning?

Sure, probably/possibly. But there is something cool/sweet in that they are making it up as they go along.

And he's also doing better than a lot of people guessed.

I think he'll go to go past 10. Hell, 20 could be in reach if they get into easier logistical days.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.
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I think the fact that he got through yesterday says a lot.

It was stupid fucking hot, 15.5 hour day, yet as of now he is on mile 25 of the bike..on day 7

It's incredible to me
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arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.

Even if it isn't significant, it does drive traffic. Somewhere.
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I thought after yesterday that it might be over. Nope. New post on Facebook; he's into the bike and pulling a kid with CP. Unreal.
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arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.

Give it time.. At the moment it is still in its infancy. Get 1/3 of the way through it, then it will warrant coverage. Right now it is merely a blip on the radar.

RE: Haters - I HATE the plan. I think they have done everything possible to insure demise!

I love the effort and the allure of such a huge feat. I am indifferent to the man.

Austin Hardy -

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I thought after yesterday that it might be over. Nope. New post on Facebook; he's into the bike and pulling a kid with CP. Unreal.
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Mind blown!!


This dude is just a freakin rockstar!!


Mahalo,


Matt
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [arby] [ In reply to ]
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arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.

James would probably need to talk about saddles to get on the main page. That seems to be a critical topic and about what 89.7% of the threads are about these days
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Slim2nun] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like he is swimming at Lake Mary. Great roads to do the ride and run right in that area, the location for the Mountain Man triathlons every year.

-Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
Team ZOOT
ZOOT, QR, Garmin, Gatorade Smith Optics, SpeedFil, ENVE Wheels, Zealios, FormSwim
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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what he is doing is insane. not that it matters, but i am curious what times he is doing these in--anyone know?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [favata1213] [ In reply to ]
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All it takes is alook at this thread, or his website.

13-15 hours
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found it on the website--thanks. i wasnt looking in the right place (obviously)
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I am sure it could be planned better, and it could bring more publicity. As it was mentioned before, there is no easy way to see where is he at, what are his times for past days, etc. However, I am really concerned about his health, not only physical, but mental too. This is the reason why I probably would not cheer or encourage him. We'll see. I would like to know if there is a medic with him on his team.
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arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.

THIS! i would LOVE to watch and cheer him along but i canNOT navigate that website to find it. please someone, for all that is holy, keep updating this thread! thank you!

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Having met the guy, I'll give him 40 and not be surprised if he hits 50.

He's going to get creative down the stretch with adjusting courses.

I just hope his Garmin stays true and charged.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, i think i figured out some contacts. if you go to each FB GROUP (not the other one or his main one) for each state https://www.facebook.com/...newmexicoironcowboy/ (that is NM but there will be a post there that has all of them, heck I'll just post them here) and then you go to that particular FB page, you should see some person made an admin in late April - I'm pretty sure that is the contact person for that state/date.

New Mexico IronCowboy 50-50-50 (Los Ranchos) 5K Saturday, June 13, 2015

Signup: http://www.ironcowboy.co/ic5k
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/378144815705713/
Full Event List:


#1 June 6, 2015 (Saturday) Kauai, Hawaii
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ps/hawaiiironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/883099501736718/

#2 June 7, 2015 (Sunday) Anchorage, Alaska
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ps/alaskaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1620052548232131/

#3 June 8, 2015 (Monday) Lake Stevens, Washington
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ashingtonironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/887388114636276/

#4 June 9, 2015 (Tuesday) Portland, Oregon
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ps/oregonironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/372213136301120/

#5 June 10, 2015 (Wednesday) Santa Cruz, California
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...aliforniaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1437769183190668/

#6 June 11, 2015 (Thursday) Las Vegas, Nevada
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ps/nevadaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1558264277767170/

#7 June 12, 2015 (Friday) Flagstaff, Arizona
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/arizonaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/374544936072597/

#8 June 13, 2015 (Saturday) Los Ranchos de Albuquerque, NewMexico
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/newmexicoironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/378144815705713/

#9 June 14, 2015 (Sunday) Pueblo, Colorado
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../coloradoironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/817278628325204/

#10 June 15, 2015 (Monday) Wichita, Kansas
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ps/kansasironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1447151835578203/

#11 June 16, 2015 (Tuesday) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../oklahomaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1572777832997938/

#12 June 17, 2015 (Wednesday) Dallas, Texas
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/texasironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/682655818527536/

#13 June 18, 2015 (Thursday) Shreveport, Louisiana
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...louisianaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/875333512534303/

#14 June 19, 2015 (Friday) Little Rock, Arkansas
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../arkansasironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1624857681061271/

#15 June 20, 2015 (Saturday) O'Fallon, Missouri
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../missouriironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/470219249792505/

#16 June 21, 2015 (Sunday) Springfield, Illinois
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../illinoisironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/821391444617240/

#17 June 22, 2015 (Monday) Henderson, Kentucky
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../kentuckyironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/840811122669565/

#18 June 23, 2015 (Tuesday) Chattanooga, Tennessee
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...tennesseeironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/386425838229548/

#19 June 24, 2015 (Wednesday) Ridgeland, Mississippi
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...ssissippiironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/642048295928408/

#20 June 25, 2015 (Thursday) Mobile, Alabama
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/alabamaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1649617768601024/

#21 June 26, 2015 (Friday) Pensacola, Florida
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/floridaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/336869916436978/

#22 June 27, 2015 (Saturday) Atlanta, Georgia
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/georgiaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/884515044939126/

#23 June 28, 2015 (Sunday) Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...hcarolinaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/808230115891738/

#24 June 29, 2015 (Monday) Mooresville, North Carolina
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...hcarolinaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/370031769850027/

#25 June 30, 2015 (Tuesday) Williamsburg, Virginia
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../virginiaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/894196673966342/

#26 July 1, 2015 (Wednesday) Morgantown, West Virginia
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...tvirginiaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/360286490839251/

#27 July 2, 2015 (Thursday) Cambridge, Maryland
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../marylandironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1434412623521036/

#28 July 3, 2015 (Friday) Dover, Delaware
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../delawareironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1624662971153662/

#29 July 4, 2015 (Saturday) Sea Bright, New Jersey
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...newjerseyironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/381175435408224/

#30 July 5, 2015 (Sunday) Middlebury, Connecticut
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...nnecticutironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/853861188018916/

#31 July 6, 2015 (Monday) Narragansett Pier, Rhode Island
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...odeislandironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/827177650691805/

#32 July 7, 2015 (Tuesday) Boston, Massachusetts
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...achusettsironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1428205564150072/

#33 July 8, 2015 (Wednesday) Claremont, New Hampshire
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...hampshireironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/749576888492439/

#34 July 9, 2015 (Thursday) Biddeford, Maine
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/maineironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/417884868381689/

#35 July 10, 2015 (Friday) Burlington, Vermont
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/vermontironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/892649997442689/

#36 July 11, 2015(Saturday) Kingston, New York
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/newyorkironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/690091037803623/

#37 July 12, 2015 (Sunday) Saw Creek, Pennsylvania
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...nsylvaniaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/428964930614067/

#38 July 13, 2015 (Monday) Hudson, Ohio
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ohioironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/883656595027760/

#39 July 14, 2015 (Tuesday) Benton Harbor, Michigan
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../michiganironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1430086350628722/

#40 July 15, 2015(Wednesday) Muncie, Indiana
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/indianaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/761264903989122/

#41 July 16, 2015(Thursday) Madison, Wisconsin
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...wisconsinironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/818290184874276/

#42 July 17, 2015 (Friday) Waconia, Minnesota
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...minnesotaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/940075359347700/

#43 July 18, 2015(Saturday) Mason City, Iowa
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/iowaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1577615079187990/

#44 July 19, 2015 (Sunday) Lincoln, Nebraska
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../nebraskaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/687774868012197/

#45 July 20, 2015 (Monday) Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...uthdakotaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/661745350597710/

#46 July 21, 2015 (Tuesday) Bismarck, North Dakota
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...rthdakotaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/663146663819033/

#47 July 22, 2015(Wednesday) Billings, Montana
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/montanaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/411821725663175/

#48 July 23, 2015(Thursday) Jackson, Wyoming
Group: https://www.facebook.com/...s/wyomingironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1412747199045142/

#49 July 24, 2015 (Friday) Idaho Falls, Idaho
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/idahoironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1586820838262368/

#50 July 25, 2015(Saturday) Provo, Utah
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/utahironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1438365896459449/

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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ok, looking at the group FB pages until July, it is *possible* that Oklahoma (16 June), Arkansas (19-June), West Virginia (1 July), Maryland (2-July), and Delaware (3-July) might not have someone coordinating events. I'm especially concerned about AK and WV. Can people in those areas see what you can do to help coordinate (if needed)?

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


Last edited by: kathy_caribe: Jun 12, 15 13:38
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [arby] [ In reply to ]
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arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.
I am very new to this sport and the accompanying culture, but I am surprised this isn't consuming the sport. Isn't seven IMs in a row a feat in itself, especially with the logistics as well? I would've expected more media coverage as well, but maybe he has to hit the halfway point. Perhaps someone could explain why this isn't being considered a bigger deal.
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Probably because it isn't a WTC event. (Pink sort of)
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nickfresh wrote:
arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.
I am very new to this sport and the accompanying culture, but I am surprised this isn't consuming the sport. Isn't seven IMs in a row a feat in itself, especially with the logistics as well? I would've expected more media coverage as well, but maybe he has to hit the halfway point. Perhaps someone could explain why this isn't being considered a bigger deal.

Because many people have no respect for a 13-15 hour IM to begin with so what's the big deal about doing more than one?
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It's an incredible endeavor and I can't get my mind around it particularly logistically knowing how much they are just winging it. But until he gets past 20-30 days it's been done. Double deca and triple deca ultra Tri's have been around a while. But I a certainly rooting for him and following him on FB and Twitter and will definitely go ride and run with him if he gets to my state. but that's another 37 days away.
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nickfresh wrote:
arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.
I am very new to this sport and the accompanying culture, but I am surprised this isn't consuming the sport. Isn't seven IMs in a row a feat in itself, especially with the logistics as well? I would've expected more media coverage as well, but maybe he has to hit the halfway point. Perhaps someone could explain why this isn't being considered a bigger deal.

Feats of ultra endurance do not usually catch the public attention. Most are quite boring.

Man exercises for 13-15 hours a day for weeks. Yaaawn.

Also, triathletes are wankers.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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"Also, triathletes are wankers"

I had to look up the definition of "wanker" but all it said was:
Wanker (noun). See triathlete


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If it makes you feel better the deca ironman race (10 days) never gets coverage here. Nor did the triple deca ironman race. (30 days) And these were actual races not someone putting in consecutive ironman distance training days. To be honest, he hasn't done anything amazingly special until he is past 30 days. Unless you want to count the logistic problems.

Even much higher profile Scott Jurek's speed record attempt on the 2100+ mile Appalachian Trail isn't getting the kind of dedicated coverage you are talking about in the running community. (~52 trail miles a day for 42 days with 500k feet of climbing) So you shouldn't be surprised that a niche triathlon site isn't spending dedicated hours covering this on the front page.



nickfresh wrote:
arby wrote:
I would think Slowman would be trying to get daily updates or interviews and put on the front page. I would think this is a pretty significant "Tri" event that is happening with little to no recognition.
I am very new to this sport and the accompanying culture, but I am surprised this isn't consuming the sport. Isn't seven IMs in a row a feat in itself, especially with the logistics as well? I would've expected more media coverage as well, but maybe he has to hit the halfway point. Perhaps someone could explain why this isn't being considered a bigger deal.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [nickfresh] [ In reply to ]
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you know, the more i uncover in their horribly "organized" website (that doesn't even 1/2 load in FF and apparently only works in IE??) the more I think they are quite organized. i think there is a LOT we don't see and the website doesn't help. but dayum, he has some huge respect and support our there. i also think the guy is pretty much superman. his capacity hasn't begun to be tapped. i'm in for all fucking 50. :)

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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IMPBAZ wrote:

"Also, triathletes are wankers"

I had to look up the definition of "wanker" but all it said was:
Wanker (noun). See triathlete


Hahaha. Well done.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a local here in Utah and he's in my Tri club. He is amazing and I know from this end, there is going to be HUGE support for him on day 50. A local race company is organizing it for him that day. Our Tri club president is doing a good chunk of days 47-50 with him. This man simply doesn't stop, and quitting isn't even an option for him. I'm also in for all 50. I plan on joining him for the swim and the final 5k of the run when he brings it home.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [dogmile] [ In reply to ]
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Long, slow, ultraendurance never get any kind of attention.

There is also a general lack of appreciation of the scope of what's happening here. Dean Karnazes got a good bit of attention for his 50 marathons, 50 days, 50 states. If this were to get real media attention like Dean's (which it won't as Dean K was a hype marketing machine), most folks would not fully appreciate that in addition to Dean's effort of a marathon in every state, this guy is also swimming 1:30 and biking 7:00 each day. And people don't fully appreciate how little time 9 hours is from end of day until beginning of next day.

Long and slow does not get any attention. Which is probably best, because there's always someone willing to go longer and slower.

This guy impresses me. No doubt about it. But, I still can't get past the question of why. Why is he doing this? What is the point? And don't give me this "raising awareness" for whatever. He's doing it for himself, which is fine. But, why? I just don't see it. It's insane. But, good for him. He's awfully impressive.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [klimb] [ In reply to ]
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Just putting this out there for any new mexicans. I think this guy might be the point person for NM https://www.facebook.com/gene.barnett.37

so the swim tomorrow is http://www.mapmyfitness.com/routes/view/633507840 at the Sports & Wellness River Point, a health club - 9190 Coors blvd. NW 87120

bike is http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/628051940 looks like 2 loops

run is http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/628075988 (out and back along some riverway)

(why not link to his blog or website? because i get nothing but white and blank pages and doubt i'm the only one)

FB pages #8 June 13, 2015 (Saturday) – Los Ranchos de Albuquerque, NewMexico
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/newmexicoironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/378144815705713/


http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [dogmile] [ In reply to ]
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"Unless you want to count the logistic problems. "

This is the part that seems to be lost on so many people: all deca or triple deca ironmen events have been done at one single location. However, doing these triathlons in 50 different states implies a lot of logistical difficulties. You simply can not discount the logistic problems as they are an integral part of this challenge. It is not simply not fair to compare this to the deca ironmen events. Apples and oranges...
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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For sure apples and oranges. On the flip side, he isn't racing anyone and really doesn't have any rules. If someone comes along next year and does a better job organizing logistics and does it faster is that a better result? Say they do point to point routes or actually think about the traveling salesman problem. Would we all say, wow that was some awesome logistics, the support crew should get the "world record" in logistics. Or is it more impressive with less organized (haphazard almost) logistics? How about if the next person comes along and averages 12 hours per ironman and has all that "extra time" for travel is that less impressive? What if the next person took flights between each state... In the context of the triple deca, optimizing for the fastest pace over the duration is the goal on top of finishing. It maybe just as hard to go "fast" over that time period as it is to sleep in the back of a moving car.

I agree apples and oranges, but logistics alone don't necessarily make it harder than trying to race to be the fastest over 30 days.



Trirunner wrote:
"Unless you want to count the logistic problems. "

This is the part that seems to be lost on so many people: all deca or triple deca ironmen events have been done at one single location. However, doing these triathlons in 50 different states implies a lot of logistical difficulties. You simply can not discount the logistic problems as they are an integral part of this challenge. It is not simply not fair to compare this to the deca ironmen events. Apples and oranges...
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kny] [ In reply to ]
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When Lebron James is showing his Johnson to 18 million viewers on live TV, you bet your ass Iron Cowboy has a challenge on his hands for media attention.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [dogmile] [ In reply to ]
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dogmile wrote:
If it makes you feel better the deca ironman race (10 days) never gets coverage here. Nor did the triple deca ironman race. (30 days) And these were actual races not someone putting in consecutive ironman distance training days. To be honest, he hasn't done anything amazingly special until he is past 30 days. Unless you want to count the logistic problems.

Even much higher profile Scott Jurek's speed record attempt on the 2100+ mile Appalachian Trail isn't getting the kind of dedicated coverage you are talking about in the running community. (~52 trail miles a day for 42 days with 500k feet of climbing) So you shouldn't be surprised that a niche triathlon site isn't spending dedicated hours covering this on the front page.
Deca Ironman? Triple Deca? And here I am wondering if I can pull off one Half. Fair enough; here's hoping he breezes past 30.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [dogmile] [ In reply to ]
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"I agree apples and oranges, but logistics alone don't necessarily make it harder than trying to race to be the fastest over 30 days. "

I have no problem with your statement but do object to the people who say that until he gets to 20 or 30 days he hasn't done anything that hasn't been achieved before. That's simply not true.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Live in albuqerque familiar with the routes and want to join the 5k and can find nothing on how, when or where to hop on. I guess I could just wait at the 5k mark near the end of the run based on eta from current pace. Any in site from your research?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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Watch the NM FB event page. That page should get updated as it gets closer to it.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I have no problem with Chrome, but glad you were able to navigate enough to figure it out and get on board! Any reserves I may have had vanished once I witnessed the whole operation.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [ In reply to ]
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According to the latest blog entry from his coach, he is on a 10,000 calorie a day diet.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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i would contact that guy I found on FB (scott or something? I'll come back and edit) but he has done a piss poor job on the group page of any event info. if the Garmin tracking is working (still not sure where that updates) then you should be able to see in real time what is going on. however, on the day of the event, you might have better updates in your state on the main FB page. The other thing I'd do is look at all his start times and finish times and then you should be able to get a window of time for the run. i need to make coffee (only got online to see where my daughter's graduation cena is since we're in the midst of a tropical depression) but i'll get back to this asap.


ok, looks like this might be the NM point person https://www.facebook.com/gene.barnett.37

and the FB pages are #8 June 13, 2015 (Saturday) Los Ranchos de Albuquerque, NewMexico
Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/newmexicoironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/378144815705713/


also, if you click on the "going" thing (is that a link, a word, what? anyway where is says GOING) on this page https://www.facebook.com/events/378144815705713/

you will see 10 other people doing something about NM. maybe the run? no clue. anyway, maybe FB contact them and see what they think? myabe if you join the FB group then you get more info? dunno.

also this guy https://www.facebook.com/tomas.leclerc?fref=ufi said he'd be on the bike tomorrow so he might have an idea of contacts/times.

please give us an inside peek when you come back from the run! thanks and enjoy!

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [nickfresh] [ In reply to ]
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and all of them pale in to insignificance when attempting to set the highest annual bike mileage - http://ultracycling.com/...s/records/data/hamr/

now the interesting thing about this is that Steve Abraham was knocked off his bike, broke his ankle (I think) and has still been putting in the miles - he's changed the way his attempt is being recorded and I don't quite understand it, but none the less, 75,000 miles a year of cycling is quite difficult
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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OMG my boys LOVE Chrome. I missed all the menus from FF though and couldn't deal. i'll try it and see. thanks!

OMG HUGE difference in Chrome! thank you SO much!

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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ok, time for colorado to shine!

http://www.ironcowboy.co/calendar/colorado

swim at http://www.mapmyfitness.com/routes/view/733684789
CSU-Pueblo Pool

bike http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/647785600

run http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/647788640 (looks pretty maybe by the laked?)

here is the Colorado FB group https://www.facebook.com/.../coloradoironcowboy/

and the point person seems to be https://www.facebook.com/...miller.10004?fref=nf Eric is definitely present on teh FB Group page but it looks like don't expect a quick response.

event page https://www.facebook.com/events/817278628325204/

i can't find any live tracking stuff with garmin since Oregon/Washington so it looks like the most up to date info is at the main FB page unless your state has a good point person

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Followed every link ( thank you); all links appear to be an endless loop, donated my $ (a little scary giving credit card info given the lack of organization), contacted local people listed, posted on FB. Still do not know when and where.

I do have the route and am going to just questimate when to be there and hope I see them. I'm going to go out and ride part of the bike course and may be find support people to ask. I'll let you know.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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i have seen mentions of 6am starts for swims. i'm thinking around 1.5 hours for swim and T1 maybe. then bikes are around 6-6.5 hours i think and runs around 5 hours. but i don't have the best memory in the world. good luck!

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Well I want him to do them all.....but after his post a few minutes ago, the end is near. Finishing wearing knee braces, pitting edema and someone working on his body all night. I called it at 12, thinking he may survive today but won't get much further. Amazing attempt, hope he finishes them all somehow.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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hmmm... i got a different feeling. like he had a hard night but has what he needs in place to keep going. either way, fun watching and still impressed as hell.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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You may be correct Kathy, just saw the live streaming and he looked pretty good taking off on the bike!
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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oh goody! so excited for you! give us an idea of what they need if you can. those of us not even in teh USA would really like to do what ever we can. we're currently sitting under a developing tropical storm right now so can't get out to train. living very vicariously. :)

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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where do you find that? i finally found another part of the FB page i didn't know existed - way over on teh left called "posts to page" and this picture from the swim today posted an hour ago. said his shoulder was bothering him.

https://www.facebook.com/...421228414&type=1

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
and all of them pale in to insignificance when attempting to set the highest annual bike mileage - http://ultracycling.com/...s/records/data/hamr/

now the interesting thing about this is that Steve Abraham was knocked off his bike, broke his ankle (I think) and has still been putting in the miles - he's changed the way his attempt is being recorded and I don't quite understand it, but none the less, 75,000 miles a year of cycling is quite difficult

Ya and modern day guys should be required to ride 1930s era steel bikes with only 4 gears, with heavy wool garments in the cold, to really reproduce the conditions. If you could average 14.0 mph across the year, 75,000 miles means 14.7 hr/day of actual riding time. Assuming 40 cal/mi, this is about 8200 cal/day not counting basal metabolic needs, so say 10,000 cal/day across an entire year. If you sleep say 8 hr/nt average, then you have to be eating about 625 cal/hr for the 16 hr/day that you are awake!!!


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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According to his Facebook page, he's started IV fluids this afternoon.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Zanne E] [ In reply to ]
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Zanne E wrote:
According to his Facebook page, he's started IV fluids this afternoon.


This isn't the first time he's used them

He also got new bike shoes!!
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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When we are all done with this I will be completing a 1:30:00 Olympic distance. To raise awareness. And sell some t-shirts.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
When we are all done with this I will be completing a 1:30:00 Olympic distance. To raise awareness. And sell some t-shirts.




You forgot the pink font.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
When we are all done with this I will be completing a 1:30:00 Olympic distance. To raise awareness. And sell some t-shirts.

1:30? So you will have The Iron Cowboy's people measure the course?

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I hope he makes it because this is a most interesting documentary. I would hate to see it end. But my gut tells me he's got a few more to go and then its over...
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [JimMoss] [ In reply to ]
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This guys a bad ass. I rode this morning in Albuquerque on part of his scheduled bike corse. We are having huge fronts moving through dragging storm clouds that just dump gully washing rain proceeded by high winds and followed by high humidity and head winds both ways on his route.

It took all day of emails to local tri community and face booking(nothing from his camp) to actually find where the 5k charity run he does is going to start, and still not sure, but, I'm going anyway I gotta feel the vibe of what's going on with this insane challenge.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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run supposed to start at the final 5k at 7pm tonight per FB

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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Even at this point I don't think anyone has done a full week without a break at the full 140.6. That in itself is a pretty major accomplishment.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [pennib] [ In reply to ]
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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The triple deca (30x ironman distance or 72 mile swim, 3360 mile bike, 786 mile run is 75 days) This was done without travel.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
The triple deca (30x ironman distance or 72 mile swim, 3360 mile bike, 786 mile run is 75 days) This was done without travel.

The one in Italy about 2 yrs ago was 30 irons in 30 days, IIRC. I think the guy who won averaged around 12 hr/iron so around 360 hrs.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
The triple deca (30x ironman distance or 72 mile swim, 3360 mile bike, 786 mile run is 75 days) This was done without travel.

Quick question - have you done any of these? If so, mad props. If not, not sure how you can judge.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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SayHey Kid wrote:
pennib wrote:


On his one and only podcast, he stated "we probably need to come up with a checklist or something". Really?!?!?!? (He is also appears to be the his own Social Media Director)


I hate to be a self-promoting dick about it, but I've mentioned a couple times that he was on my show. I know it's nowhere near as big as the Rich Roll podcast, but I did put the link out in this thread. I realize that fat slow triathletes are invisible to the illuminati of slowtwitch, but he gave us a good interview. So have some other pretty big names in triathlon. Don't let the offensive title of the show bother anyone.

It's the Back of Pack Endurance show. You can skip to minute 20 in this episode to get right to the Iron Cowboy.

http://backofpack.com/2015/06/01/episode-79-the-iron-cowboy/

Off air we talked a bit about PA's route, since that is where I am. It seems to me he is relying a lot on the local state ambassadors to have things together in each locale. That is yielding 50 different levels of preparation as we are seeing.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dan Funk] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with you.

He could've spent two more years planning every detail, getting all the preparations down, lining it all up....and still miss things that he didn't even know existed...or he could do what he did: just jump in and learn on the job.

I love it.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
The deca-iron world record is 8 days and change. 50/50/50 is a gimmick.

What is with all the hate????
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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It's gimmicks that I hate. And this is clearly a gimmick. Meaning, it's clearly not possible to anyone that doesnt have their head up their ass.

I am all for people attempting amazing athletic feats that carry a large risk of failure. I am not for Usain Bolt selling tickets, t-shirts and pay per view subscriptions so we can watch him attempt to run 8.5 for the 100m. Or Michaels Phelps doing the same regarding swimming a 3:45 / 500 yard freeestyle. Or a :16 / 50 Free.

The issue I have with this 50/50/50 thing is it is not quite so obviously impossible to a lot of folks, so they get on board, drink the kool aid, buy the t-shirts and hope, hope, hope. Meanwhile, back here in reality, it is roughly as imposible as Usain's hypothetical 8.5 / 100 meters. Hence, it's a gimmick.


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So again, what is wrong with people hoping that he can do it?
Is it impossible? I guess we will see.


Basically, you're just a douchebag.
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Well dude, you are certainly welcome to your opinion.

What's wrong with people hoping he can do it you ask? Look, if you just wanna hope, then hope away.

But maybe the example of Usain Bolt's :08.5 / 100m wasn't extreme enough. What if Usain claimed he was going to run a :03 / 100m? Or :01? At a certain point these athletic challenges soar beyond people simply attempting really hard stuff and land in the realm of fantasy. For me and my understanding of current human athletic potential, this has landed squarely in fantasyland. It's an attention grabbing gimmick. If that makes me a douchebag in your eyes, I can live with that. I'd rather be a douchebag skeptic than a blind fool.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Your examples weren't extreme enough? So now let's compare it to a 3 second 100m dash? Come on man...do you really think it's THAT outrageous? I don't disagree that it is out there but to sit there and compare it to things that are truly humanly impossible hurts your argument badly. James Brooman just ran across Australia from Perth to Sydney with nothing more than what amounts to a stroller that he pushed along that carried his gear to camp out. He ran around 2560 miles in 82 days. There was a 60+ year old couple that ran the perimeter of Australia doing a marathon every single day for 366 days.

Is James' 50/50/50 audacious and foolish? Maybe...but to sit there and say it's absolutely impossible and that there is something wrong with him personally capitalizing on such an amazing adventure screams insecurity.
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I can't find it now, but someone had a post on this thread earlier that spoke to the lack of media attention and public interest on endurance events. Like the guy doing the appalachian trail and another doing some other crazy event.

I am interested in learning what happens to this guys body and mind....so I am interested in his book/documentary and will read/watch it...whatever it is called.

But this got me thinking......how is he going to market this. WTC owns the name Ironman. He can't call his book Ironcowboy: 50 Ironmans in 50 Days in 50 States. He can't call his daily effort an Ironman. Seems like it will be tough to market and even harder for people outside of the endurance nerds to understand what he did....and Ironcowboy: 50 really long swim/bikes and runs in 50 days doesn't really have a good ring to it.

Yes, I know he is bringing awareness...or raising money (not sure for what charity....which is sort of telling....I don't know I have followed this guy since before he started). But I would think someone is documenting this and there is preparation for a book or movie. I want him to succeed, not a naysayer and wish him the best. The marketing aspect got me thinking this morning.....
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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For those interested, they are live on Persicope.tv
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His shoulder is doing a lot better he said this morning, and he is getting around 4-5 hours of sleep a night, but hopes that will change as things even out a bit.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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As they just talked about this in their live feed.

100% of money donated is going to the Jamie Oliver Foundation

They are filming a documentary as this goes on, the money for that is already fronted. As far as what it would be called? 50/50/50 seems to be the big marketing on this.
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If it does get some publicity and looks like he's going to make it, WTC might be smart to actually allow him to call them 'Ironmans' and help him market the hell out of it....
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What in life had not started as a gimmick?

Even in the narrow scope of IM racing, the folklore tales of the bar bet in 1978 was a gimmick. Now nearly 30 years later it is a huge multi-million dollar business.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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Both James, his coach, and his crew knew that logistically this first 10 days were going to be the "hardest" They expect everything to even out after tomorrow
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If it does get some publicity and looks like he's going to make it, WTC might be smart to actually allow him to call them 'Ironmans' and help him market the hell out of it....

No way in hell this would happen, unless WTC wants their new slogan to be "Ironman - our races are so easy you can do 50 of them back-to-back-to-back-to...."
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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then get out of this thread. see ya.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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Tyler, you seem rather plugged in. do you know if they have "ambassdors" for AK and OK, WV, Maryland and delaware? are they overwhelmed with volunteers? do they have massage people lined up for the next couple weeks?

also (not to you Ty but to avoid making a million posts) Erik is making up for his previous lackadasial presence on FB. :)

"I just talked to Gene the coordinator in New Mexico! He said James is a stud and we will not be disappointed! The crew is exhausted and we will need help with some food, water, and ICE! If there is anyone who can help me with SAG wagon so Garrett and I can do some riding that would be great....Gene has no doubts after meeting James that he is going to get this done! Man I am PUMPED!"

swim apparently finished at 9am. still living vicariously through you guys as sitting under what will likely be a hurricane in the Gulf in the coming days...

ok, i have no idea what this is about but apparently there is some periscope thing that is doing interactive live feeding. but i'm hopeless in figuring it out.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [aahydraa] [ In reply to ]
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pretty sure that was referenced on page 11 or 12.

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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from last night's run. too cute.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [7718] [ In reply to ]
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I knew it. Chance of attention whore having the largest IM tattoo that would fit on the back of his calf: 100%
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I encourage you to use the contact tab on his website, or use Twitter or Facebook to get a hold of his crew.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dave Luscan] [ In reply to ]
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Dave Luscan wrote:
7718 wrote:
then get out of this thread. see ya.


No.

Why?

If you hate this so much, why be here??\
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TylerJ wrote:
Dave Luscan wrote:
7718 wrote:
then get out of this thread. see ya.


No.


Why?

If you hate this so much, why be here??\

Just because he thinks it's a gimmick and doomed for failure doesn't mean that he doesn't find it interesting. Nor does it mean that he cannot share an opinion. The everyone must be smiley, happy go lucky, rah rah rah attitude might work on other forums, but not here. That's what makes ST great.






Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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good luck iron cowboy..... i think it s a crazy endavor and perhaps impossible but to even give it a shot..... i like this kind of thinking.

Dream big! try crazy things....and let the jealous do the talking while your running!

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [TylerJ] [ In reply to ]
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I dont hate it. I think it is gimmicky. I find it interesting enough to pay attentiion to and frankly, it would blow my mind to be proven incorrect. I love having my mind blown. jeez. Sorry I'm not jumping on the cheerleaing bandwagon.


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Tri-Banter wrote:
TylerJ wrote:
Dave Luscan wrote:
7718 wrote:
then get out of this thread. see ya.


No.


Why?

If you hate this so much, why be here??\


Just because he thinks it's a gimmick and doomed for failure doesn't mean that he doesn't find it interesting. Nor does it mean that he cannot share an opinion. The everyone must be smiley, happy go lucky, rah rah rah attitude might work on other forums, but not here. That's what makes ST great.

Or what he said. lol


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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"Wilber and Orville - why are you wasting your time on this damn fool flying idea..."

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"Bill, I don't know about this computer stuff, why don't you finish up at Harvard, then go see if there is something to this... "

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I love what he is trying to do. I think his motives are good. He is a little nuts. Even if he fails, it will be an adventure. I love that the cause is about childhood obesity. Everyone is so wrapped up in how this could affect his body and such. He will be fine and he will recover. Lets just enjoy the adventure with him.

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I don't understand why you insist on comparing ludicrous speed comparisons to an endurance challenge. How it is clearly impossible? I get why doing a 3 second 100m is "clearly impossible" but it's not like he is attempting to do a 140.6 in 2 hours. That would be a fair comparison. He's pushing the edge of how many times a person can get up the next day and do the same thing they did the day before at a reasonable pace. How is that at all like a super speed record? The challenge is not speed, it is endurance and will. And in that vein, I am always behind the believers. Physiology may limit the speed records, but in the realm that nearly every great endurance athlete says is mostly mental, the limits are unknown. Some people refuse to have limits. Dean Karnazes comes to mind.

I'm not asking you to be a blind fanboy like you seem to assume some of us are, what with our heads up our asses and all. But don't make a comparison that makes no sense at all like it is some kind of brilliant insight. It's not like a Usain Bolt 3 sec 100m. It's Rocky getting beaten and still standing, still coming back. Except it's not fiction, he's making it a reality right now. And if he fails, I will feel bad for him, but I sure as hell don't want to join the sideline monday morning quarterbacks waiting for their chance to say "see, told you he couldn't do it."



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It's gimmicks that I hate. And this is clearly a gimmick. Meaning, it's clearly not possible to anyone that doesnt have their head up their ass.

I am all for people attempting amazing athletic feats that carry a large risk of failure. I am not for Usain Bolt selling tickets, t-shirts and pay per view subscriptions so we can watch him attempt to run 8.5 for the 100m. Or Michaels Phelps doing the same regarding swimming a 3:45 / 500 yard freeestyle. Or a :16 / 50 Free.

The issue I have with this 50/50/50 thing is it is not quite so obviously impossible to a lot of folks, so they get on board, drink the kool aid, buy the t-shirts and hope, hope, hope. Meanwhile, back here in reality, it is roughly as imposible as Usain's hypothetical 8.5 / 100 meters. Hence, it's a gimmick.

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Does he have to do each IM in under 17 hours to be able to continue to the next day?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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That's a good question...he hasn't eclipsed 17 hours yet so it hasn't been discussed. I honestly would be very surprised to see him eclipse 17 hours unless he picks up an injury...then it's probably over anyways.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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This is not a race. This is an endurance challenge. He has 24 hrs in a day to finish the distance in a day.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Updated splits (no T1 or T2 times are included in the overall total)

from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08 (Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12. He swim an additional 400 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
Day 4 - Oregon - 1:23/6:30/5:04 = 12:58
Day 5 - California - 1:26/6:46/5:30 = 13:43
Day 6 - Nevada - 1:34/7:31/6:19 = 15:24
Day 7 - Arizona - 1:44/7:39/6:39 = 15:02
Day 8 - New Mexico - 1:33/?/? = ?
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RunFatboyRun wrote:
I don't understand why you insist on comparing ludicrous speed comparisons to an endurance challenge. How it is clearly impossible? I get why doing a 3 second 100m is "clearly impossible" but it's not like he is attempting to do a 140.6 in 2 hours. That would be a fair comparison. He's pushing the edge of how many times a person can get up the next day and do the same thing they did the day before at a reasonable pace. How is that at all like a super speed record? The challenge is not speed, it is endurance and will. And in that vein, I am always behind the believers. Physiology may limit the speed records, but in the realm that nearly every great endurance athlete says is mostly mental, the limits are unknown. Some people refuse to have limits. Dean Karnazes comes to mind.

I'm not asking you to be a blind fanboy like you seem to assume some of us are, what with our heads up our asses and all. But don't make a comparison that makes no sense at all like it is some kind of brilliant insight. It's not like a Usain Bolt 3 sec 100m. It's Rocky getting beaten and still standing, still coming back. Except it's not fiction, he's making it a reality right now. And if he fails, I will feel bad for him, but I sure as hell don't want to join the sideline monday morning quarterbacks waiting for their chance to say "see, told you he couldn't do it."



Dave Luscan wrote:
It's gimmicks that I hate. And this is clearly a gimmick. Meaning, it's clearly not possible to anyone that doesnt have their head up their ass.

I am all for people attempting amazing athletic feats that carry a large risk of failure. I am not for Usain Bolt selling tickets, t-shirts and pay per view subscriptions so we can watch him attempt to run 8.5 for the 100m. Or Michaels Phelps doing the same regarding swimming a 3:45 / 500 yard freeestyle. Or a :16 / 50 Free.

The issue I have with this 50/50/50 thing is it is not quite so obviously impossible to a lot of folks, so they get on board, drink the kool aid, buy the t-shirts and hope, hope, hope. Meanwhile, back here in reality, it is roughly as imposible as Usain's hypothetical 8.5 / 100 meters. Hence, it's a gimmick.

I find it more similar to attempting an :08.5 or :03 if you prefer / 100m than I do some of the more realistic ultra endurance feats that we have seen so far. So if you want to think of these sorts of events on a sliding scale from COMPLETE GIMMICK ---------------------------------------->ENTIRELY REALISTIC I simply find this way too far over towards the complete gimmick end.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Well last night I ran with the Iron Cowboy and I saw the light...the one we needed to run with in the colorless dark New Mexico sky.

I tried most of the day to find the location and ETA of the 5K Charity run; info on their FB pages was vague at best. However, thru postings from locals and sleuthing the web sights by you Kathy I found the intended location and ETA of 7PM.

They had got off to slow swim start in the AM and that kind of snowballed their timing and with his bike pit stop to IV hydrate and take a nap it was 9 before I got the heads up on FB that the start location changed and the run was underway.

Got to the caravan and there were maybe 20 people milling about. I was informed that his plan was for the Cowboy to do 5K repeats on the Bosque multi-use trail. Ideal for night running as it is straight and flat. James came trotting into camp and the place came alive. Fluids, strategies(they decided to go to 1 mile repeats), nutrition and vest with light projectors. A fresh entourage assembled and off we went. In our group was a mother and her 9 year old daughter, a guy who came down from Moab, UT and my wife and I.

The entourage kind of ran interference with hand held lights to point out puddles from the rain squalls and scare of critters crossing the path. The support guys had different fluid choices and nutrition for James to select; he was very intense and definitely runs the show.

The pace was plodding at best-maybe 14 min pace and any incline was walked. As we shuffled along I just sat back and as the group took positions James opened up. He started talking with the mother and her child in a very sincere and kind of touching way being truly interested in their story. He asked their names and fully engaged them in the conversation. As the mom and daughter turned and left due to the late hour he hugged them both and encouraged them to follow their athletic dreams; really quite touching.

As I ended up in the default position next to James he did the same with me just as sincere asking me what was my name and what was my story and we talked at length of my races and stories. He discussed my wife's story of finishing 3 in AG at IM Brazil and he asked if she got the Kona ticket and was disappointed for her that she didn't.

I mentioned to him his presence on Slowtwitch and 13 pages at the time and you could feel him roll his eyes " I bet their roasting me!" he said. I told him I felt from what I read that he had a lot of support-though skeptical-but support none the less. I mentioned a lot of people thought his logistics needed some work and he responded that he purposely sought bigger venues over ease to better get exposure for his project. I asked his biggest logistical surprises and he said he didn't expect the amount of moisture(he rode 30 miles that day in a heavy rain) and it played havoc on his feet giving him what sounds like a form of trenchfoot. Another unexpected issue was the motorhome not being able to keep pace as they intended. And then there was hitting the deer coming out of Flagstaff.

I asked what message he'd like me to pass on to Slowtwitchers and he didn't hesitate; he said "tell 'em that it is going great, I feel really strong and I am totally excited to keep going"...and there was no doubt to me he was sincere.

In review I see this as a seat of the pants operation with a certain fluidity to change and adapt as things come up, and with the enthusiasm I saw I really think they're going to make it. Go Iron Cowboy!!
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badgertri wrote:
That's a good question...he hasn't eclipsed 17 hours yet so it hasn't been discussed. I honestly would be very surprised to see him eclipse 17 hours unless he picks up an injury...then it's probably over anyways.


I think last night he went over 17hrs total.

He took a hour nap, and posted somewhere that the run was not going to start until around 7pm. Not sure exactly when he started the swim but with him calling yesterday an "active recovery day" with naps and IV stops he certainly went past 12midnight.

He is to start the run today around 5pm, which based on the past few runs will push him close to 12midnight, but more importantly and critical in that, he has a 7hr-8hr drive to Wichita, KS for tomorrow
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SayHey Kid wrote:
I think last night he went over 17hrs total.

He took a hour nap, and posted somewhere that the run was not going to start until around 7pm. Not sure exactly when he started the swim but with him calling yesterday an "active recovery day" with naps and IV stops he certainly went past 12midnight.

He is to start the run today around 5pm, which based on the past few runs will push him close to 12midnight, but more importantly and critical in that, he has a 7hr-8hr drive to Wichita, KS for tomorrow

I was thinking more pure S/B/R like you have been posting. He has been taking some long breaks within disciplines and between.
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Thank you for this.
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SayHey Kid wrote:
badgertri wrote:
That's a good question...he hasn't eclipsed 17 hours yet so it hasn't been discussed. I honestly would be very surprised to see him eclipse 17 hours unless he picks up an injury...then it's probably over anyways.


I think last night he went over 17hrs total.

He took a hour nap, and posted somewhere that the run was not going to start until around 7pm. Not sure exactly when he started the swim but with him calling yesterday an "active recovery day" with naps and IV stops he certainly went past 12midnight.

He is to start the run today around 5pm, which based on the past few runs will push him close to 12midnight, but more importantly and critical in that, he has a 7hr-8hr drive to Wichita, KS for tomorrow


Yeah... saw that Pueblo to Wichita drive on schedule and thought to myself...that can be a long drive if you are tight on time. Hope he can keep it going...
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vguy2001 wrote:
Well last night I ran with the Iron Cowboy and I saw the light...the one we needed to run with in the colorless dark New Mexico sky.

I tried most of the day to find the location and ETA of the 5K Charity run; info on their FB pages was vague at best. However, thru postings from locals and sleuthing the web sights by you Kathy I found the intended location and ETA of 7PM.

They had got off to slow swim start in the AM and that kind of snowballed their timing and with his bike pit stop to IV hydrate and take a nap it was 9 before I got the heads up on FB that the start location changed and the run was underway.

Got to the caravan and there were maybe 20 people milling about. I was informed that his plan was for the Cowboy to do 5K repeats on the Bosque multi-use trail. Ideal for night running as it is straight and flat. James came trotting into camp and the place came alive. Fluids, strategies(they decided to go to 1 mile repeats), nutrition and vest with light projectors. A fresh entourage assembled and off we went. In our group was a mother and her 9 year old daughter, a guy who came down from Moab, UT and my wife and I.


this is as far as i got without chills. I can't even wait to read the rest to say SQUUEEEEEEEE! SO excited for you! I'm so glad you were able to! i just (literally) got back from a 60km ride through lots of wind destruction from a storm that will likely be a hurricane soon. thinking of James the whole way! now off to read the rest of your post. THANK YOU for coming back and posting!!! SMOOCHES to you and your wife!

ok, finished. wow! i know NOTHING about this guy. i got bored one day with slow work and started reading this thread and became a cautious fangirl but JHC, what a guy! thanks so much for getting out there and making him real to us - giving us a feel for the guy and how it is going.

i really wish i lived in the USA so i could go out and cheer him on and I'm SO GLAD i could have a tiny part in helping you achieve running with him (and how bad ass is your wife??!!?!)

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com


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Thanks for the first-hand update. This has been interesting to watch. I find the logistics fascinating and wish we had more details.
I am signed up for the deca next year (www.decamanusa.com), which, in light of this, seems a lot more do-able now.

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NMGal wrote:
Thanks for the first-hand update. This has been interesting to watch. I find the logistics fascinating and wish we had more details.
I am signed up for the deca next year (www.decamanusa.com), which, in light of this, seems a lot more do-able now.

wow! you are amazing! please keep us in the loop!

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Dan Funk] [ In reply to ]
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The geography of this is what is really going to make or break it. We know a triple-deca is physically possible and that this guy is capable of that. It's also well established that the limiting factor for endurance events is not physical strength, but mental (look at the guy who was trying to do a triple deca and fractured his femur early in the attempt, and did at least one more full IM before being forced to stop). I have little doubt that baring physical injury the Cowboy can complete the plan. It's going to come down to whether or not the schedule, travel, and logistics create a situation where he is mentally incapable of continuing. The sleep issue is key, if he is unable to get enough sleep, not just rest, his chances go down the crapper. If you've ever been chronically sleep deprived you understand what I mean, it is physically exhausting and seriously hampers judgement to be operating on only a few hours of sleep a night.

As he moves further across the US into the eastern states I expect the travel and logistics to get slightly easier, simply in terms of distance and time between days. If they capitalize on this I don't see any issues with the completion of the 50/50/50. If they continue to have difficulties, or suffer some time of mechanical breakdown or other logistical calamity I think the effort may fall on its face.

I really hope he pulls this off, but I can see so many things they could have done to make this 'easier' and go smoother than it seems to be going.
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Dan Funk wrote:

Yeah... saw that Pueblo to Wichita drive on schedule and thought to myself...that can be a long drive if you are tight on time. Hope he can keep it going...


The good part is that Oka City is only about 2 hours from Wichita, so even a assumed late start tomorrow can be made up.

Then a few 3 hrs commutes between Oka City to Dallas and Dallas to Shreveport, LA
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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We have a saying in mountaineering that goes like this:

"It's not the fear of death.....it's the fear of actually not living"

"Sir George Mallory said it another way: "'What is the use of climbing Mount Everest?'...Because it's there... If you cannot understand that there is something in man which responds to the challenge of this mountain and goes out to meet it, that the struggle is the struggle of life itself upward and forever upward, then you won't see why we go. What we get from this adventure is just sheer joy. And joy is, after all, the end of life. We do not live to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to live. That is what life means and what life is for.


I must say I completely understand and greatly admire what the Iron Cowboy is doing. He's doing it because it's hard to do. He's doing it because it's there. He's doing it because what a great adventure! He's doing it because for these 50 days--and I do think, or at least hope, he can do it--he's really living. Not many people on this planet can make as strong a claim to that statement during this 50 day time.

One of the great things about triathlon/mountaineering/endurance sports is the noble pursuit that seemingly makes the impossible, possible. This message board is filled with so many extraordinary stories. Heck, in my own way, I've written a few of them myself. It's this pursuit (not the results, but the pursuit) that attacks that fear of "actually not living". Triathlon is such a positive, life-living thing--when done with humility and honesty and a genuine sense of child-life wonderment.

What strikes me in reading this thread is the periodic negativity. Not, the judging that he may not do it because it's hard--anyone who has done an Ironman knows what he is trying to do is outrageous. But, how people who regularly try to push the boundaries and really live life can respond to the Iron Cowboy with such negativity. Calling it a gimmick (by this definition all of triathlon is a gimmick--it's all contrived, all made up, it's all a gimmick) and so many other things....

I think we can do better than that. I think we should rejoice in this attempt and support it in anyway we can! If he does achieve it then surely it must remind us that the greatest fear is not of failure, but of not trying. If he fails, then I for one will praise the effort and hope that he tries again. With all the negativity in the world (Isis for example) let's celebrate this man's quest--he is truly living!



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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Well said.
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I think it's nuts. Completely. I'd bet he isn't going to do it. Really think there is no chance at all. And I really hope to be proven wrong. As for the picture you can see it as a negative because of the IM tattoo or a really cute pic with the kiddos. I choose the latter. Hope he does it.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [badgertri] [ In reply to ]
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im not sure if we can say for sure that he hasn't surpassed 17 hours. He appears to be taking lots of breaks during the ride and in between disciplines. I'm honestly not sure if they are accouting for that time during the breaks or not. My guess would be no. But I'm not really sure if it matters.

What if he finishes the run after midnight?

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im not sure if we can say for sure that he hasn't surpassed 17 hours. He appears to be taking lots of breaks during the ride and in between disciplines. I'm honestly not sure if they are accouting for that time during the breaks or not. My guess would be no. But I'm not really sure if it matters.

What if he finishes the run after midnight?

And herein lies one of the issues with this whole thing. Sure, it is an ambitious goal and you can argue whether or not it is doable or not, but there are no defined rules to it. There is no one to say, "Nope, you didn't make it". Other endurance challenges like the one Scott Jurek is doing have a defined finish/goal/whatever you want to call it. If he doesn't make it to the end of the trail in X number of days, he doesn't get the record. What exactly qualifies as a "success" to 505050?

And don't get me started on the "fundraising" side of things. Just where is the donated money going? By the looks of it (no charities listed on the donate page, no 501c3 specification, etc.), he is raising money to fund his trip... not fight childhood obesity like he claims. If that what it is, fine, but it should be made clear that you are not donating to a cause; you are donating so that someone can travel the country racing in every state.

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I agree with your line of thinking to a point and cannot help but draw a comparison to Diana Nyad. Doing an Ironman or a long distance swim event had specific rules. Some of these rules are being bent by the Iron Cowboy (same as Nyad). We give them a pass on this because the infraction seems ticky tacky but at the same time the reason the endeavor has merit in the first place is because of these very rules. In the case of Nyad - I don't think IC is at this point yet - whatever it is that is accomplished isn't actually what is being purported yet the accomplishment is trading on the merit of the actual thing.
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It's not wtc. Doesn't logic say that he gets 24 hours to do each one, not a rule that WTC uses for some of their races??
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Even the 1978 Ironman was an actual race. You had 15 competitors, a set course, and rules. Ironman might be different today if the first event was some guy raising "awareness", no real rules, and no real way to duplicate or improve upon the feat.



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What in life had not started as a gimmick?

Even in the narrow scope of IM racing, the folklore tales of the bar bet in 1978 was a gimmick. Now nearly 30 years later it is a huge multi-million dollar business.
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Totally agree, making it through the first 10 days significantly increases his chances of finishing.


TylerJ wrote:
Both James, his coach, and his crew knew that logistically this first 10 days were going to be the "hardest" They expect everything to even out after tomorrow
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Does getting piggy backed through the high water count as a ticky tacky infraction? :) haha

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I'm curious as to what the rules are in the triple deca. I did a little searching but didn't find a good answer as to what the rules are for starting/stopping mid run/bike.


The problem with a lack of rules/guidelines is that if he completes this, then what if someone else does it. Do they do it but not stop at all once they start each day and say they were "faster"?

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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vguy2001 wrote:
Well last night I ran with the Iron Cowboy and I saw the light...

In review I see this as a seat of the pants operation with a certain fluidity to change and adapt as things come up, and with the enthusiasm I saw I really think they're going to make it. Go Iron Cowboy!!

great report. (I did edit it down from the original)

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In a link that was posted to next years DecaMan here in the USA in 2016, you get 24 hours to compete each race.

I am sure that is the rule that James is abiding by. Again, this isn't a WTC race, so the 17 hour cut off is not a valid argument.

Who should be making the rules for this? There isn't an abiding "government" for 50/50/50.

One of the questions I got to ask yesterday when they were broadcasting from periscope.tv was if they had all the Garmin Files for all the swim/bike/run. The gentleman that was doing the talking assured all of us followers that they had it, they were only having trouble with the live tracking, and Garmin was on their way to fix it.

Today is day 10, and yesterday James said he felt better than he did on day 1....I guess we shall see how this goes.
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kathy_caribe wrote:
...i finally found another part of the FB page i didn't know existed - way over on the left called "posts to page"

The Posts To Page is really good to present a lot more info on what goes on behind the scenes. Which is what I am most interested in with this.

Based on earlier reports/comments, I was concerned that the RV was more or less a pop-up on the back of a pick-up truck and then only had a Subaru as there other vehicles. But recent photos of the RV on the "Posts to Pages" really shows the RV is quite large and first class, they also have a large van (assuming for supplies, bike parts, etc) and at least one more vehicle with the Subaru.
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The probably they are running into right now, is that the RV just isn't fast enough, I see last night James was in the Van on his way to Kansas.

That being said, after today, logistically things get a lot more simpler.
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this (soon-to-be) tropical storm that is going to come up through TX/LA could make things interesting the next couple of days.
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I'm curious about the support crew.

I think there must be at least several full time crew, getting a van, car and RV between states. Who are these people? I can imagine myself crewing for a weekend ultra, or maybe even a week, but 50 days of continuous travel sounds miserable.

Who are these people?

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Your being way too logical and overthinking it. &#128521;

Hard to believe none of this was discussed ahead of time.
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well it sat on us one full day, crossed teh peninsula and now we're sitting under its leftovers. it seems to move rather jerkily. i was rather shocked how quickly it moved over land and regrouped though so i would really keep an eye on it.

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I'm not sure what the crewing is like for this, but my experience crewing for adventure races tells me that it's a ton of work. An absolute ton.

I crewed a four day adventure race and got about ten hours of sleep over the course of the four days. It was a ton of work--anticipating the spoken, predicted, and unspoken needs of the four-member team, making sure the supplies were kept organized and easily found when they were needed, getting to the proper checkpoints, handling conflicting personalities that may change dependent on conditions, making sure we had sufficient grocery and creature comfort supplies when the team was deep into the race and couldn't stomach the packaged foods they brought ahead of time, setting up from place to place, getting rid of the waste afterward so it wasn't in the way, dealing with mechanicals, dealing with clothing needs that changed based on weather, etc. It was an insane amount of stress and work, completely exhausting. I could have done it by myself for about a week under those conditions or perhaps 10-14 days with races that would allow longer breaks between for the crew, but I cannot imagine doing it for 50 days.

Essentially each vehicle in his caravan is operating as a singular support crew in some ways since somebody still has to drive the vehicles to each location. It seems thus far that IC has the moxie to make it the 50 days, but it's going to take a great effort for the crew to support it and make it through so he's able to do it. Hopefully someone on the crew has the capacity to take a strong leadership role to organize and handle everything so IC only has to focus on the distance and expressing the needs he has. The capacity for him to finish has as much to do with the crew's ability to pull everything together--and to do so without outside support at each location since that's not always reliable--as it does with IC's strength to go the distance. It takes a village, and I wish them the best of luck.


StoppedClock wrote:
I'm curious about the support crew.

I think there must be at least several full time crew, getting a van, car and RV between states. Who are these people? I can imagine myself crewing for a weekend ultra, or maybe even a week, but 50 days of continuous travel sounds miserable.

Who are these people?

StoppedClock
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not sure what the crewing is like for this, but my experience crewing for adventure races tells me that it's a ton of work. An absolute ton.

Yup, and this is why the people who say that he should be doing point-to-point IMs in order to cut into the travel times are being unrealistic. As it sits now, the support gets to stay in one location for 15ish hours, during which they can sleep, grocery shop, laundry, etc.... If IronCowboy were swimming for 90 minutes and then riding 112 miles one-way then running 26 miles one way, the support team would have to essentially keep going with him. They would have no opportunity to do what all that needs doing day in and day out. And then add to that, if he were doing point-to-points, he would never get any of this local support on the bikes and runs.
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Dan Funk wrote:
If the dude makes it to Benton Harbor MI (granted a big if)... I will go share some of the ride and break the wind for him a bit.

I'm going to attempt to be there as well, but it's 50/50 on my end. I have family coming in from Australia for a few weeks, so we'll be away with them the week prior. If I can swing coming back from vacation for a day and then taking the next day off to be there, I will.
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Absolutely... thats why I asked the question... what if he finishes the run after midnight? If that were to happen, IMO, he is done as he wouldn't have completed a full ironman in that day.

However, he is using the word IRONMAN and not iron distance. WTC owns IRONMAN and by their rules you must finish within 17 hours (with the rolling starts this is a grey area now and a few races that have an earlier cutoff time). So can we really say he's completing an IRONMAN if it's taking longer than 17 hours? (Iron distance... yes). If he's successful, it will be interesting to see if WTC stops him from using the word IRONMAN.

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Even the Triple Deca Called them Ironmans

Splitting hairs here....
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AggieOO wrote:
this (soon-to-be) tropical storm that is going to come up through TX/LA could make things interesting the next couple of days.

If he plans it right, he could get one hell of a tail wind.






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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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+2

The negativity that gets posted on Slowtwitch bends the mind sometimes. It is almost like some people yearn and pine for someone else's failure. It is truly unbelievable.

That being said, It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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So, For Tuesday, tomorrow, on to
#11 June 16, 2015 (Tuesday) – Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Group: https://www.facebook.com/.../oklahomaironcowboy/
RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1572777832997938/


http://www.ironcowboy.co/calendar/oklahoma

swim at
Lake Arcadia http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/643941922

bike http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/729088695

run http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/634841078

here is the Colorado FB group https://www.facebook.com/...ps/kansasironcowboy/
event group https://www.facebook.com/...ts/1447151835578203/

this one doesn't seem to have an identified point person
but if you go to the FB Group page you will see 7 members. I would try contacting one of those members who show they are from OK and they might have info.

from last night's run

that looks like a fun group!

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stevej wrote:
Absolutely... thats why I asked the question... what if he finishes the run after midnight? If that were to happen, IMO, he is done as he wouldn't have completed a full ironman in that day.

However, he is using the word IRONMAN and not iron distance. WTC owns IRONMAN and by their rules you must finish within 17 hours (with the rolling starts this is a grey area now and a few races that have an earlier cutoff time). So can we really say he's completing an IRONMAN if it's taking longer than 17 hours? (Iron distance... yes). If he's successful, it will be interesting to see if WTC stops him from using the word IRONMAN.

personally, since 2 of the guys who did 30 IMs in 30 days joined him last night on his run AND personally, unless you've at least done a 30/30, I can't see what any yahoo's opinion on some website thinks about his effort. he did 2 back-to-back IMs without cycling shoes. he dragged a kid around (literally, in a raft) another day. personally i have no standing to judge.

seriously? you're questioning whether he can call himself an IM finisher after 10 days of back-to-back IMs, dragging a kid around on one day, because you judge midnight to be the cutoff? seriously?

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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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I agree! Why people want to equate this to WTC events I can't figure out.
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AggieOO wrote:
this (soon-to-be) tropical storm that is going to come up through TX/LA could make things interesting the next couple of days.

Yep, his Wednesday 140.6 north of Dallas is not looking good. 100% chance of rain Tuesday through Thursday, could be 2+ inches each day.
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arby wrote:
I agree! Why people want to equate this to WTC events I can't figure out.

50/50 Challenge Full! ;-)
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personally, since 2 of the guys who did 30 IMs in 30 days joined him last night on his run AND personally, unless you've at least done a 30/30, I can't see what any yahoo's opinion on some website thinks about his effort. he did 2 back-to-back IMs without cycling shoes. he dragged a kid around (literally, in a raft) another day. personally i have no standing to judge.

seriously? you're questioning whether he can call himself an IM finisher after 10 days of back-to-back IMs, dragging a kid around on one day, because you judge midnight to be the cutoff? seriously?

It's almost as if you've forgotten what site you are reading and posting on. :)
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [vguy2001] [ In reply to ]
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I did the Rock Cliff triathlon at Jordanele Reservoir in Utah on Saturday. The race director, Aaron Shammy, is a big supporter of James (Iron Cowboy) and his company (RaceTri) will be hosting James' 50th and last Ironman in this journey. Shammy is known for his crazy pre-race speeches. They are legendary. The speech on Saturday was directed specifically at Iron Cowboy. Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/...ter&notif_t=like

I think that Shammy knocked it out of the park with that speech. I like many would not put money down on the completion of this effort. However, it is clear that he prepared for this challenge and that he is putting his heart and soul into it. Regardless of James' motivation or mental sanity you have to admire him for how hard he is working to get this done. I wholeheartedly hope he makes it and that he proves us all of little faith wrong. One thing I know is that he is a Utah County dude and them people are crazy. It would be very fitting for someone from Utah County to be the first (and only?) to complete this. Good luck James, I am pulling for you buddy.

BTW, if you would like to hear more Shammy speeches you can find them on Youtube, on the RaceTri website or you could come and do Toughman Utah and hear one of his rants (I mean speeches) in person.

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Boy, no lack of support in Utah!

His team I met with all had a very positive and almost reverential view of James. I don't think any of them think if...they think how and work towards it. Very positive energy throughout the caravan. Go James!
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A little off topic but his performance thus far seems to be much better than Garmin's live tracking. They really had a chance to showcase here.
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vmac wrote:
+2

The negativity that gets posted on Slowtwitch bends the mind sometimes. It is almost like some people yearn and pine for someone else's failure. It is truly unbelievable.

That being said, It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.



Well. Bye.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [Lock_N_Load] [ In reply to ]
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That was great.
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seriously? you're questioning whether he can call himself an IM finisher after 10 days of back-to-back IMs, dragging a kid around on one day, because you judge midnight to be the cutoff? seriously?

His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.

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stevej wrote:
His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.

Is a day defined as 24 hours or as a calendar day? He is finishing way before 24 hours expires so if you're saying they don't count because he starts at 8am and isn't done in 16 hours there really is no pleasing you.
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japarker24 wrote:
vmac wrote:
+2

The negativity that gets posted on Slowtwitch bends the mind sometimes. It is almost like some people yearn and pine for someone else's failure. It is truly unbelievable.

That being said, It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.




Well. Bye.

sorry that should have been in pink...time honored ST reference
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12 am to 12 am the next day is a calendar day isn't it? :)

It's not really up to me though. He is going after a Guinness world record so it's really up to them decide.

I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling this whole challenge is more about the record than it is about raising awareness. I barely see anything on social media or in the news about child obesity. How many people outside the triathlon world know about this challenge? For a guy that wants to raise awareness about child obesity, it doesn't seem much awareness is being raised. I hope he proves me wrong though.

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I was going to say the same thing, but you did so much better than what I had written and then subsequently erased.

Its pretty cool to watch this, even if it is somewhat difficult to keep up with the way the social media is being handled, that and my current disdain for facebook.
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badgertri wrote:
stevej wrote:

His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.


Is a day defined as 24 hours or as a calendar day? He is finishing way before 24 hours expires so if you're saying they don't count because he starts at 8am and isn't done in 16 hours there really is no pleasing you.

There isn't any pleasing any of the "haters"

It's fucking annoying
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TylerJ wrote:
badgertri wrote:
stevej wrote:

His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.


Is a day defined as 24 hours or as a calendar day? He is finishing way before 24 hours expires so if you're saying they don't count because he starts at 8am and isn't done in 16 hours there really is no pleasing you.


There isn't any pleasing any of the "haters"

It's fucking annoying



No where does he state that he has to do one per day for 50 days (I may be wrong here). All he is saying is 50 in 50 days. My take is he could actually do a few back to back (if that is possible) and then rest for a day if he wished. Anyway, who really cares - still bigger undertaking than ONE WTC 17 hours.

RIDE EM COWBOY !!
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James really didn't establish any rules, so you can't blame anyone from discussing what the implied rules may or may not be.

For instance if I was just reading about this now I would have assumed no drafting or IV fluids, but that is fair game here. It is accepted that IV fluids are ok at RAAM, but most endurance events don't allow it. Drafting from pacers typically wouldn't be allowed, but is ok here.

I believe the deca rules are that you have until the the set start time of the next day to finish. So there is precedence there. Also, given that he is taking long breaks and such the implied rule might simply be that he finishes all 50 in a 50 day period. No matter, I wouldn't want him to stop simply because he went past midnight.



TylerJ wrote:
badgertri wrote:
stevej wrote:

His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.


Is a day defined as 24 hours or as a calendar day? He is finishing way before 24 hours expires so if you're saying they don't count because he starts at 8am and isn't done in 16 hours there really is no pleasing you.


There isn't any pleasing any of the "haters"

It's fucking annoying
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [dogmile] [ In reply to ]
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You're right, my emotions get the best of me sometimes.

In the deca it starts every morning at say 7 am. After that, you have until 7 am the next day to finish.

I also don't see anywhere that this a world record attempt, I don't even know if Guiness is on hand at any of these.
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Based on his website story page it is implied that this is an attempt at a third Guinness WR.
http://www.ironcowboy.co/story/


Reading that I would assume that it is one, but who knows. Maybe someone can ask.
If so it would be nice to know what the parameters are if any.




TylerJ wrote:
You're right, my emotions get the best of me sometimes.


In the deca it starts every morning at say 7 am. After that, you have until 7 am the next day to finish.

I also don't see anywhere that this a world record attempt, I don't even know if Guiness is on hand at any of these.

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stevej wrote:
His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.


Don't agree.

He has to do 50 Ironman (distances) in 50 days.

I don't even see it as an issue if he did

3.8k
180k
50k

so the following day he didn't have to run as far.

Either way it's good he is trying and it's only the negative people sitting in their office doing the same old shit each day that are the haters.

If I could train full time and still afford to live, it would be great and I'd do it.

Much better than going to meetings ans sitting at a desk all day.

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PJC wrote:
stevej wrote:
His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.

Don't agree.
He has to do 50 Ironman (distances) in 50 days.
I don't even see it as an issue if he did
3.8k
180k
50k
so the following day he didn't have to run as far.
Either way it's good he is trying and it's only the negative people sitting in their office doing the same old shit each day that are the haters.
If I could train full time and still afford to live, it would be great and I'd do it.
Much better than going to meetings ans sitting at a desk all day.

I don't know man, this guy James has got to be f***ing totally exhausted already, with 40 more to go after today. Training full-time is one of those things that sounds good in concept but is actually really f***ing hard to do in practice. SBR-ing 4 to 8 hr/day, 6 to 7 days/wk, 50 wk/yr, is no picnic in the park. I'm simply basing this on my own experience, and maybe i just don't have enough ST genes to do it, but for me, 2.5 hr/day of training is about my limit on a year-round basis, e.g. (2.5 hr/day)(350 day/training year) = 875 hr/year. I have never been able to get past this annual total without breaking down. Just my $0.02 but this makes me even more amazed at what James is trying to do, as he's squeezing about 700 hrs of training into just 50 days. This is a total ball-buster:)


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His gimmick his rules.

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badgertri wrote:
James Brooman just ran across Australia from Perth to Sydney with nothing more than what amounts to a stroller that he pushed along that carried his gear to camp out. He ran around 2560 miles in 82 days. There was a 60+ year old couple that ran the perimeter of Australia doing a marathon every single day for 366 days.

Is James' 50/50/50 audacious and foolish? Maybe....

This is another league altogether compared to the two examples you have given.

Running 26 or 30 miles/day is so much simpler by comparison. These distances allow much more recovery time and don't have the travel eating into each day's recovery. Even if pushing a stroller....a lot of Aust is pretty flat, so once it is rolling it wouldn't take too much effort from Brooman to keep it moving.

IC would be so much better off leaving the wife and kids at home, perhaps having them visit once a week or so to give him a mental lift.

Unfortunately, I can't see him finishing this, as much as I would like to see him do so.
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The geography of this is what is really going to make or break it. We know a triple-deca is physically possible and that this guy is capable of that. It's also well established that the limiting factor for endurance events is not physical strength, but mental (look at the guy who was trying to do a triple deca and fractured his femur early in the attempt, and did at least one more full IM before being forced to stop). I have little doubt that baring physical injury the Cowboy can complete the plan. It's going to come down to whether or not the schedule, travel, and logistics create a situation where he is mentally incapable of continuing. The sleep issue is key, if he is unable to get enough sleep, not just rest, his chances go down the crapper. If you've ever been chronically sleep deprived you understand what I mean, it is physically exhausting and seriously hampers judgement to be operating on only a few hours of sleep a night.

As he moves further across the US into the eastern states I expect the travel and logistics to get slightly easier, simply in terms of distance and time between days. If they capitalize on this I don't see any issues with the completion of the 50/50/50. If they continue to have difficulties, or suffer some time of mechanical breakdown or other logistical calamity I think the effort may fall on its face.

I really hope he pulls this off, but I can see so many things they could have done to make this 'easier' and go smoother than it seems to be going.

I agree with you about logistics being a major contender for not completing.

I do think you're underestimating the physical demands though.

Even the example you give of a guy pulling out with a fracture is a perfect example of a physical injury ending a comparable endurance attempt. Also you say lack of sleep is "physically exhausting"......yes, that's a physical manifestation. These are the types of physical things that are likely to derail this.

Logistics, injury, fatigue through lack of recovery.......... lot's of problems with this.
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........ he did 2 back-to-back IMs without cycling shoes. he dragged a kid around (literally, in a raft) another day.

I don't think he can afford to do these types of things if he is going to finish this. Certainly not at this stage when his times are becoming progressively slower.

If he does finish this, he will get to a point a few weeks in when his times have become relatively stable and sustainable. When he has the "routine" of an IM a day plus travel down pat, then he has the "luxury" of playing around a bit.

The trend of slowing times doesn't look encouraging at this point.
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His slowing times don't bother me when you see that he is stopping for blood work ( that came back amazing), naps, massages....This is all a part of the plan.
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How many back to back full distance triathlons have you done? Have you ever done a single one?
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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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Updated splits (no T1 or T2 times are included in the overall total)

from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08 (Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12. He swim an additional 400 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
Day 4 - Oregon - 1:23/6:30/5:04 = 12:58
Day 5 - California - 1:26/6:46/5:30 = 13:43
Day 6 - Nevada - 1:34/7:31/6:19 = 15:24
Day 7 - Arizona - 1:44/7:39/6:39 = 15:02
Day 8 - New Mexico - 1:33/9:17 (6:20 moving)/ ~6:30 = ~17:30
Day 9 - Colorado - 1:38/7:38/6:23 = 15:39
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ericmulk wrote:
PJC wrote:
stevej wrote:
His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.

Don't agree.
He has to do 50 Ironman (distances) in 50 days.
I don't even see it as an issue if he did
3.8k
180k
50k
so the following day he didn't have to run as far.
Either way it's good he is trying and it's only the negative people sitting in their office doing the same old shit each day that are the haters.
If I could train full time and still afford to live, it would be great and I'd do it.
Much better than going to meetings ans sitting at a desk all day.


I don't know man, this guy James has got to be f***ing totally exhausted already, with 40 more to go after today. Training full-time is one of those things that sounds good in concept but is actually really f***ing hard to do in practice. SBR-ing 4 to 8 hr/day, 6 to 7 days/wk, 50 wk/yr, is no picnic in the park. I'm simply basing this on my own experience, and maybe i just don't have enough ST genes to do it, but for me, 2.5 hr/day of training is about my limit on a year-round basis, e.g. (2.5 hr/day)(350 day/training year) = 875 hr/year. I have never been able to get past this annual total without breaking down. Just my $0.02 but this makes me even more amazed at what James is trying to do, as he's squeezing about 700 hrs of training into just 50 days. This is a total ball-buster:)

Protour cyclists race around 80-100 hours in a span of 3 weeks in a non weight bearing mode. Many posters on ST have done that in 3 weeks on bike tours at low intensity. It is totally possible when you take the running out. I bet you could swim+bike 10 hours per day for 50 days if you put your mind to it. But then add the running and the travel logistics and that would make it insanely tough. More power to this guy. Personally I think there are better ways to raise awareness of childhood obesity that have much more lasting impact (if he volunteered to coach a kid soccer team or swim team, spending 50 days doing that, will impact multiple kids for a lifetime....doing 50 days of IM will create hype around himself for some time, but likely will get few kids off the nintendo)
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tacking this on to the end. from FB:

In light of the new start time of 8am tomorrow in OKC, here is a VERY tentative schedule for the day:
8-10am swim: Mercy Fitness Center
10am-6pm bike: Check the page for route updates
6-11pm run: same run course for now. Check this page for updates/changes
7pm: Iron Cowboy 5k - come run with James!
We welcome ANYONE who wants to come ride or run with James. It can be 5k, 10k, or the entire distance. Come join the Cowboy as he completes event #11!

and i'm a sick puppy because what immediately came to mind on seeing this picture was "control and release, baby, control and release..."

enjoy!



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I'm pretty sure he didn't tow the kid around in the raft, but that somebody else did it while swimming with/next to James.
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SayHey Kid wrote:
Updated splits (no T1 or T2 times are included in the overall total)


from Garmin and/or comments:
Day 1 - Hawaii - ~1:10/6:20/? = under 13hrs
Day 2 - Alaska - 1:08/6:33/5:23 = 13:05
Day 3 - Washington - 1:23*/7:12/5:33 = 14:08 (Swim: 1:15:23 + 7:49 = 1:23:12. He swim an additional 400 yds between B and R due to him swimming yards when he thought he was swimming meters.)
Day 4 - Oregon - 1:23/6:30/5:04 = 12:58
Day 5 - California - 1:26/6:46/5:30 = 13:43
Day 6 - Nevada - 1:34/7:31/6:19 = 15:24
Day 7 - Arizona - 1:44/7:39/6:39 = 15:02
Day 8 - New Mexico - 1:33/9:17 (6:20 moving)/ ~6:30 = ~17:30
Day 9 - Colorado - 1:38/7:38/6:23 = 15:39


There you have it! It reminds me of the Legendary Walt Stack. He competed in the first Ironman. Slowtwitch's own John Post MD posts on his blog about Walt, who was 73 at the time, swam 3 hours, leisurely rode the bike, then got tired on the run, so he took a nap. He then got hungry, stopped at a restaurant and saw the results in the morning paper for "yesterday's race."

http://www.johnpostmd.com/2012/11/the-amazing-walt-stack-2620-hawaii.html


Stack was ready for the event and at 73, the oldest competitor to attempt the distances. After a 3 hour swim and leisurely bike, history has it that he was pretty tired on the run. So, he just eased off the course, lay down in someones yard, and took a nap. Once refreshed, he set off on his 26 mile jaunt and near its conclusion got hungry. So what do you do when your stomach starts talking, head for the restaurant naturally. The Kona Ranch House which used to be on Palani Road but is no more. The way I heard it, he was eating his waffle breakfast, reading the morning paper, with the results of yesterdays Ironman race in it. The race in which he was still competing!

Walt is an Ironman and a Legend. I hope Iron Cowboy becomes one as well!

Rock on, Iron Cowboy! We'll see you in the Poconos.

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His slowing times don't bother me when you see that he is stopping for blood work ( that came back amazing), naps, massages....This is all a part of the plan.

Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

His starting and finishing times are getting later. That is increasing the chance that a logistic/travel screw up will impact on the following day.

Late starts and naps indicate he is not recovering from the previous day.

I doubt blood analysis is going to give too many meaningful results this early on, though I'm happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable. Creatine kinase levels will be ugly soon but that's hardly something he will be able to do anything about.

Unfortunately, it looks to me like he is yet to hit a sustainable routine and is already playing catch up.
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Wednesday in Texas may be a bit of a challenge....


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Alright, I guess we shall see what happens...
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Harbo99 wrote:
Wednesday in Texas may be a bit of a challenge....


You see challenge. I see tailwind.
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Alright, I guess we shall see what happens...

.......and hopefully IC will keep us entertained for another 41 days and 100+ pages. :-)
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I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling this whole challenge is more about the record than it is about raising awareness. I barely see anything on social media or in the news about child obesity. How many people outside the triathlon world know about this challenge? For a guy that wants to raise awareness about child obesity, it doesn't seem much awareness is being raised. I hope he proves me wrong though.


As to this point that I have pounded to the ground in this thread. This is why he needs to relinquish the social media aspect of this to someone or a company that specializes in social media promotion.

There are way too many comments here and on FB of the disconnect/missteps/lack of communication between the IC's camp and the coordination of the local ambassadors. How easy is that to fix? Its simple with a advance person that is dedicated to that. The person does not even need to be one of his "boots on the ground" staff. He/she could be in their pajamas in Toledo, OH.

I would have thought that is wife would be doing much better at promoting the cause. In early comments and reports, she was to be the quasi road manager/nutritionist. Hopefully she is doing much behind the scenes cause as of now it seems that he chief role is to take up valuable space in the RV with the 5 kids, keeping them from becoming bored out of their minds, promoting their AIRBNB houses and....well that is about it.

Last week I saw an advance screening of a soon to be released documentary called Batkid Begins, which is about "...a 5-year-old boy fighting leukemia transformed the city of San Francisco and the nation for a day. The Greater Bay Area Make-A-Wish Foundation helped Miles Scott become a superhero for a day -- BatKid -- and more than a billion people took to social media to cheer him on."

The documentary was as much about Miles Scott and his family inspirational story as it was about the power of social media and how people stepped up to not have this day turn into a disaster with the out of control aspect of how it kept going more and more viral. Also how the executive staff at Make-A-Wish realized that they were completely overwhelmed with the task at hand and begin reaching out and delegating.

Now granted IC is probably not going to have the Global VP of Communications/Crisis Management of Apple step up for this as she did on the documentary, but a few reach outs by IC team could have found some reputable people/firms willing to step in and take over the social media/promotion piece of this to get the word out.
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arby wrote:
How many back to back full distance triathlons have you done? Have you ever done a single one?

No and no. There's enough people out there doing +13 hour IMs without me adding to the mess. I don't know
what you are getting at by asking. I'm not against him or a "hater". I hope he's able to pull it off.

Some have called this a "gimmick", I would not really call it that though. I'm just saying if it's a "gimmick" then
it's his gimmick and he can make up the rules.

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Personally I think there are better ways to raise awareness of childhood obesity that have much more lasting impact (if he volunteered to coach a kid soccer team or swim team, spending 50 days doing that, will impact multiple kids for a lifetime....doing 50 days of IM will create hype around himself for some time, but likely will get few kids off the nintendo)

I think this is what rubs me the wrong way as well. It seems like his is doing it for HIM, and financing it by claiming a less selfish motive. The biggest compounding issue I have with this is him dragging his young kids around. If they were traveling to go have fun on a family trip across country, with maybe a race thrown in for him; well, that is called a vacation. This seems more like self phallatio. Am I jealous? Hell yes, I would love to do something like this as well; but I would not as it seems to me to be a bit irresponsible for a father of five little ones...and does not seem like it would have any real impact on the stated goal of increased awareness for an important social issue. Maybe Im wrong, and he will be able to accomplish this significant undertaking, go on Oprah, and get millions of children off the couch and outside...but I do not see that as a likely outcome. I do wish him luck and success. End of line.


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I didn't realize he was doing this to raise awareness of anything at all.
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I would have thought that is wife would be doing much better at promoting the cause. In early comments and reports, she was to be the quasi road manager/nutritionist. Hopefully she is doing much behind the scenes cause as of now it seems that he chief role is to take up valuable space in the RV with the 5 kids, keeping them from becoming bored out of their minds, promoting their AIRBNB houses and....well that is about it.

She is managing 5 kids on a 50 day constantly moving road trip in an RV. I think her workload ends right there.
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kny wrote:
SayHey Kid wrote:

I would have thought that is wife would be doing much better at promoting the cause. In early comments and reports, she was to be the quasi road manager/nutritionist. Hopefully she is doing much behind the scenes cause as of now it seems that he chief role is to take up valuable space in the RV with the 5 kids, keeping them from becoming bored out of their minds, promoting their AIRBNB houses and....well that is about it.


She is managing 5 kids on a 50 day constantly moving road trip in an RV. I think her workload ends right there.

Damn straight.

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Can I ask how it's irresponsible?

Seems to me like they are having the adventure of a life time.
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I didn't realize he was doing this to raise awareness of anything at all.

Yep, me too until I read from this thread that it is supposed to be for childhood obesity awareness. Hope the best for his goals then.
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I didn't realize he was doing this to raise awareness of anything at all.

From his website: http://www.ironcowboy.co/factsheet/
  • The Iron Cowboy is seeking funds to film a documentary on the 50-50-50 Challenge that will not only showcase this athletic achievement, but will bring awareness to the growing U.S. epidemic of childhood obesity.
  • The public and businesses are invited to run with the Iron Cowboy at a FREE 5K at the end of each day in all 50 states. All funds raised at these evening races will go to support the cause of fighting childhood obesity.
  • James is known as The Iron Cowboy for the cowboy hat he wears during the marathon portion of Ironman races. Hes a husband, father of 5, and an athlete who takes his training and racing seriously and intends to let nothing stop him from completing this goal.
  • Additionally, James will donate all 5k race donation proceeds to the Jamie Oliver Foundation.


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Can I ask how it's irresponsible?

Seems to me like they are having the adventure of a life time.

Dragging your children around so that they can watch you dig yourself into a hole is the irresponsible part. He is giving them a ride on the Pirates of the Caribbean, not an interactive participant adventure. If you are at an ironman race, look around for kids his age. You will not find them watching the race other than lifting their heads up once in a while. Add to this the traveling that needs to be done each day, and then having their mom who is also working (according to his blog) which gives an end result of both parents working >12 hour days, so are they really going to be able to see/do anything that you may normally do on an adventure? As for seeing the country...aren't they traveling mostly in the dark between venues? I think that you may be looking at it from adult eyes, in which case I think that I agree; but from a youth standpoint, I think that it would really suck.

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He has made it farther than I thought he would. I wish him luck. I do still think the odds are stacked against him.

I'm a parent. I drag my kids to my Ironman races. Actually just the finish because they think it's really boring. And that's one with all the hooplah of a big race. I cannot imagine the challenges of keeping 5 kids occupied during this event. As a personal policy I don't judge other parents but I do think that it's a toss up whether it was a good thing for them to be a part of this. I would say that this is probably a strain on their marriage as well. I imagine the mom saying to the kids; Look kids, there's your dad...he's either going to be a legend and do something amazing or he might fall asleep on the bike and kill himself. We'll see. Hey anybody want a cookie? Oh wait, I haven't had time to go to the store in 3 states so we have no cookies, want some celery?

Obviously that's sarcasm and not very good humor but still I think there are parts of this event that weren't fully thought out and bringing the kids along for the trip might be one of those parts. However, I'm not doing this and it's a lot easier for me to look at what he's doing and find ways where it's flawed than it is to get out there and try it myself. I do hope he can accomplish his goal.
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stephenj wrote:
TylerJ wrote:
Can I ask how it's irresponsible?

Seems to me like they are having the adventure of a life time.


Dragging your children around so that they can watch you dig yourself into a hole is the irresponsible part. He is giving them a ride on the Pirates of the Caribbean, not an interactive participant adventure. If you are at an ironman race, look around for kids his age. You will not find them watching the race other than lifting their heads up once in a while. Add to this the traveling that needs to be done each day, and then having their mom who is also working (according to his blog) which gives an end result of both parents working >12 hour days, so are they really going to be able to see/do anything that you may normally do on an adventure? As for seeing the country...aren't they traveling mostly in the dark between venues? I think that you may be looking at it from adult eyes, in which case I think that I agree; but from a youth standpoint, I think that it would really suck.

Stephen J

The kids are going to see every state in our great country in the short span of 50 days. They are also going to see teamwork, trials and tribulations, problem solving, and other valuable life lessons. They are going to see how complete strangers are willing to donate their time and support for a cause -- or just to take in a freakshow that is passing through their state. They will have to learn discipline and respect for each other to make it through this grueling adventure. They are going to learn when to step in and lend a hand and when to get the hell out of they way so others can deal with situations as they arise. They may also learn about suffering and potential medical emergency situations (heaven forbid).

They are going to learn things in 50 days that my kids may never experience. It is one hell of an adventure that all involved will learn from and never be the same after. Who wouldn't want that?

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I suppose they could just sit at home and do nothing...
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I wish him and his family the best and hope they're happy and successful on this journey, but as a parent there's a realistic counterpoint to this. If he's occupied with the event itself for ~16 hours/day, needs sleep and recovery, has creature needs that must be attended to, etc. he realistically may be in the same place as his family but I cannot imagine him having the time nor physical strength to be present with his family. When I was still seriously training to race, I trained ~12-16 hours/week on top of a full time job that had me traveling ~30% of the time (traveled with a bike 90% of that) and with an hour commute each way when I wasn't traveling. I was typically so exhausted when I was with my son that I really wasn't being present as a parent in a way that was meaningful for my kid. Had I continued he would have seen a parent who was a hard worker, goal-driven, worked well with his team, took chances, was disciplined, and persevered. But would that have really mattered when what he truly needed was me pouring myself into him? Me training and racing to the degree that I was doing it was a good thing in many ways, but it was completely a selfish endeavor. None of it was about my family. Perhaps IC's situation is different, and I hope it is, but if so it's an incredibly difficult balance.


Jayhox wrote:
stephenj wrote:
TylerJ wrote:
Can I ask how it's irresponsible?

Seems to me like they are having the adventure of a life time.


Dragging your children around so that they can watch you dig yourself into a hole is the irresponsible part. He is giving them a ride on the Pirates of the Caribbean, not an interactive participant adventure. If you are at an ironman race, look around for kids his age. You will not find them watching the race other than lifting their heads up once in a while. Add to this the traveling that needs to be done each day, and then having their mom who is also working (according to his blog) which gives an end result of both parents working >12 hour days, so are they really going to be able to see/do anything that you may normally do on an adventure? As for seeing the country...aren't they traveling mostly in the dark between venues? I think that you may be looking at it from adult eyes, in which case I think that I agree; but from a youth standpoint, I think that it would really suck.

Stephen J


The kids are going to see every state in our great country in the short span of 50 days. They are also going to see teamwork, trials and tribulations, problem solving, and other valuable life lessons. They are going to see how complete strangers are willing to donate their time and support for a cause -- or just to take in a freakshow that is passing through their state. They will have to learn discipline and respect for each other to make it through this grueling adventure. They are going to learn when to step in and lend a hand and when to get the hell out of they way so others can deal with situations as they arise. They may also learn about suffering and potential medical emergency situations (heaven forbid).

They are going to learn things in 50 days that my kids may never experience. It is one hell of an adventure that all involved will learn from and never be the same after. Who wouldn't want that?
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I suppose they could just sit at home and do nothing...

Yes, they could; but that would be irresponsible as well. Why not drive the kids to every state around the country and take them to kids triathlons (one every day for 50 days split between the 5 kids) to promote healthy kids?

Stephen J

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I don't think that I'm a "hater", because I really do hope that IC achieves his goal, and everyone lives happily ever after. But something about this whole endeavor rubs me the wrong way.

I'm surprised that there is almost nothing about how the rest of the team is holding up on his facebook. This is not an individual effort, its a team effort. IC's part is to physically suffer, but he's doing it because its something that he wants, and he gets told a hundred times a day how amazing he is.

I'd feel better about this if we heard more about the rest of the team. If they are fine, I'd like to hear it, and I could be more supportive.

I'm not sure if I'm watching an incredible endurance feat, or a case study in extreme narcissism. If a documentary gets made about this, it might not be what IC expects.

Stopped Clock


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Re: IRONCowboy 50 Ironmans in 50 Consecutive Days Starting June 6, 2015 - Prediction Thread [StoppedClock] [ In reply to ]
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Well no one has died.
They hit a deer the other day
They are tired.

Not sure what else you're looking for.

There really is no winning for James, it appears. Everyone will always have something to criticize/bitch about.


I agree that there are a lot of things that could have been done better, but it's not like there is a guide book for doing 50/50/50
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TylerJ wrote:
His slowing times don't bother me when you see that he is stopping for blood work ( that came back amazing), naps, massages....This is all a part of the plan.


Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

His starting and finishing times are getting later. That is increasing the chance that a logistic/travel screw up will impact on the following day.

Late starts and naps indicate he is not recovering from the previous day.

I doubt blood analysis is going to give too many meaningful results this early on, though I'm happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable. Creatine kinase levels will be ugly soon but that's hardly something he will be able to do anything about.

Unfortunately, it looks to me like he is yet to hit a sustainable routine and is already playing catch up.

i dunno. dude had some SERIOUS issues earlier on (couldn't wear bike shoes for 2 days, leg edema, knee and shoulder issues, trenchfoot from all teh rain) but he seems to be getting stronger as time has gone on. i think he was struggling to find a rhythm early on but now has found a later start to the run is working for him.. i agree that CPK has to be massive but they are also doing a LOT of body work and that blood work yesterday had to include a CPK.... i totally agree that he has had some logistical challenges but i think he is not only rolling with them but learning more and more each time. guy seems like he gets stronger with time and adversity...

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11 days in and still poking fun...



now i need to catch up on this thread.

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kathy_caribe wrote:


personally, since 2 of the guys who did 30 IMs in 30 days joined him last night on his run AND personally, unless you've at least done a 30/30, I can't see what any yahoo's opinion on some website thinks about his effort. he did 2 back-to-back IMs without cycling shoes. he dragged a kid around (literally, in a raft) another day. personally i have no standing to judge.

seriously? you're questioning whether he can call himself an IM finisher after 10 days of back-to-back IMs, dragging a kid around on one day, because you judge midnight to be the cutoff? seriously?


It's almost as if you've forgotten what site you are reading and posting on. :)

d'oh! you're so right!

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badgertri wrote:
James Brooman just ran across Australia from Perth to Sydney with nothing more than what amounts to a stroller that he pushed along that carried his gear to camp out. He ran around 2560 miles in 82 days. There was a 60+ year old couple that ran the perimeter of Australia doing a marathon every single day for 366 days.

Is James' 50/50/50 audacious and foolish? Maybe....


This is another league altogether compared to the two examples you have given.

Running 26 or 30 miles/day is so much simpler by comparison. These distances allow much more recovery time and don't have the travel eating into each day's recovery. Even if pushing a stroller....a lot of Aust is pretty flat, so once it is rolling it wouldn't take too much effort from Brooman to keep it moving.

IC would be so much better off leaving the wife and kids at home, perhaps having them visit once a week or so to give him a mental lift.

Unfortunately, I can't see him finishing this, as much as I would like to see him do so.

dunno, get back to me when you're 60+ and do a marathon daily for a year. not saying it is on par with the ironcowboy but he does have youth on his side. :)

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OMG I FINALLY put 2 and 2 together. if anyone else was wondering, IC=Iron Cowboy. JHC that was driving me nutz (it wasn't much of a trip).

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Why not drive the kids to every state around the country and take them to kids triathlons //

Because Iron cow kids was already taken??
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Something about the narcissistic personality made me to think of this. If onky for the story of it all how "awesome" would it be if someone looked up his results and found irregularities? I say that dispassionately towards the man. I just, you know, love a good tragedy...
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devashish_paul wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
PJC wrote:
stevej wrote:
His whole goal is 50 ironmans in 50 DAYS in 50 sates. A day is 24 hours... 12 AM to 12 AM the next day. Don't finish by midnight = didn't do an Ironman that day.

Don't agree.
He has to do 50 Ironman (distances) in 50 days.
I don't even see it as an issue if he did
3.8k
180k
50k
so the following day he didn't have to run as far.
Either way it's good he is trying and it's only the negative people sitting in their office doing the same old shit each day that are the haters.
If I could train full time and still afford to live, it would be great and I'd do it.
Much better than going to meetings ans sitting at a desk all day.


I don't know man, this guy James has got to be f***ing totally exhausted already, with 40 more to go after today. Training full-time is one of those things that sounds good in concept but is actually really f***ing hard to do in practice. SBR-ing 4 to 8 hr/day, 6 to 7 days/wk, 50 wk/yr, is no picnic in the park. I'm simply basing this on my own experience, and maybe i just don't have enough ST genes to do it, but for me, 2.5 hr/day of training is about my limit on a year-round basis, e.g. (2.5 hr/day)(350 day/training year) = 875 hr/year. I have never been able to get past this annual total without breaking down. Just my $0.02 but this makes me even more amazed at what James is trying to do, as he's squeezing about 700 hrs of training into just 50 days. This is a total ball-buster:)


Pro tour cyclists race around 80-100 hours in a span of 3 weeks in a non weight bearing mode. Many posters on ST have done that in 3 weeks on bike tours at low intensity. It is totally possible when you take the running out. I bet you could swim+bike 10 hours per day for 50 days if you put your mind to it. But then add the running and the travel logistics and that would make it insanely tough. More power to this guy. Personally I think there are better ways to raise awareness of childhood obesity that have much more lasting impact (if he volunteered to coach a kid soccer team or swim team, spending 50 days doing that, will impact multiple kids for a lifetime....doing 50 days of IM will create hype around himself for some time, but likely will get few kids off the nintendo)

Well right, certainly if the intensity is very low, then one can go on for many hours. I'm just saying that "training full time" with the goal of going fast is actually very hard b/c you're just tired all the time, except during the maybe twice per year taper. It is my impression that, over several years, this would get pretty tiring over several years, and espec over a pro career of say 15 yrs. All I can say is that, based on my experience, training full time would be very hard if you also want to maintain any type of speed.


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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I think this is what rubs me the wrong way as well. It seems like his is doing it for HIM, and financing it by claiming a less selfish motive.

Welcome to the wonderful world of awareness scams. Awareness, it's your ticket to doing what you want to do when you cannot afford it on your own.
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He has made it farther than I thought he would. I wish him luck. I do still think the odds are stacked against him.

I'm a parent. I drag my kids to my Ironman races. Actually just the finish because they think it's really boring. And that's one with all the hooplah of a big race. I cannot imagine the challenges of keeping 5 kids occupied during this event. As a personal policy I don't judge other parents but I do think that it's a toss up whether it was a good thing for them to be a part of this. I would say that this is probably a strain on their marriage as well. I imagine the mom saying to the kids; Look kids, there's your dad...he's either going to be a legend and do something amazing or he might fall asleep on the bike and kill himself. We'll see. Hey anybody want a cookie? Oh wait, I haven't had time to go to the store in 3 states so we have no cookies, want some celery?

Obviously that's sarcasm and not very good humor but still I think there are parts of this event that weren't fully thought out and bringing the kids along for the trip might be one of those parts. However, I'm not doing this and it's a lot easier for me to look at what he's doing and find ways where it's flawed than it is to get out there and try it myself. I do hope he can accomplish his goal.

Very well put:)


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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His gimmick his rules.

[pink] He swam this morning in Blueseventy Core shorts. We need the water temperature to make sure it was wetsuit legal, or else he should be DQed. [/pink]
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craigj532 wrote:
pattersonpaul wrote:
His gimmick his rules.

[pink] He swam this morning in Blueseventy Core shorts. We need the water temperature to make sure it was wetsuit legal, or else he should be DQed. [/pink][/quot

So far ( and someone else from the ultria community can correct me if I'm wrong he's kept to the IUTA rulebook. Whether or not it's IUTA accredited, he's still following the rules.
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At the very least he has not followed these IUTA rules;
- No IV fluids
- No drafting on the bike
- No pacing on the run



aahydraa wrote:
craigj532 wrote:
pattersonpaul wrote:
His gimmick his rules.


[pink] He swam this morning in Blueseventy Core shorts. We need the water temperature to make sure it was wetsuit legal, or else he should be DQed. [/pink][/quot

So far ( and someone else from the ultria community can correct me if I'm wrong he's kept to the IUTA rulebook. Whether or not it's IUTA accredited, he's still following the rules.
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Anyone following close enough to provide insight on his updated plans for tomorrow in Texas? Still in Dallas? Start time, location, etc? Especially if he's deviating from what is listed on the calendar. Thanks!

Lars Finanger
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Thanks! The pacing on the run isn't super strict but I agree on the first two. Sorry I missed that!
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Anyone following close enough to provide insight on his updated plans for tomorrow in Texas? Still in Dallas? Start time, location, etc? Especially if he's deviating from what is listed on the calendar. Thanks!

Dallas tomorrow will be interesting. With Tropical Storm Bill is showing up, 4-6 inches of rainfall, flooded roadways, and Little Elm is currently closed due to flooding in the area.

If you click the links from the calendar on his dedicated website (ironcowboy.co), the returned maps look like alternates to Lake Ray Hubbard.

Either way, with the rain, flooding, and a mixture of Texas Drivers w/ weather - I truly with this event the best of luck.

Team Gingerfight
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Apparently he's raising $100k so he can "own" his documentary? That strikes me as odd. I don't begrudge him trying to set a world record but why would someone pay for him to own his documentary? I was also unaware he was doing this for a cause. I'm following him on Twitter and I have seen no mention of it.
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Anyone following close enough to provide insight on his updated plans for tomorrow in Texas? Still in Dallas? Start time, location, etc? Especially if he's deviating from what is listed on the calendar. Thanks!


right now FB says he is hoping to be done with the current (OK) run by 1am. did you check the group page or the FB point person? let me see what i can find...

https://www.facebook.com/events/682655818527536/

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Hello All,
I am Coach Sean, the Texas Ambassador. Several things have changed and with every state we modify things for James to meet the ever changing situation. I am in contact with all the Ambassadors and each of us have been on top of things to help James meet the demands of this task head on.
Here in Texas we are looking at a tropical storm hitting the Gulf and are under flash flood warnings. With several months of floods all the lakes in the Northern parts of the Dallas area are still flooded. This has caused many changes. If rain and wind stay away I have moved the swim to Wind Surf Bay at Lake Ray Hubbard, if the rain moves in like predicted a pool swim will be set up instead.
We will bike from there to White Rock Lake since it is a closed loop somewhat protected from traffic. If the rain is heavy James will probably be driven from the pool to White Rock. This move is to help protect James during potential rain, flooding, and traffic. The loops will allow his crew and my crew to help any and every way we can. The run will also be around White Rock and end at the Whole foods located at Gaston and Abrams.
Find the Dallas Facebook page for the latest updates....https://www.facebook.com/groups/texasironcowboy/
Feel free to contact me for anything you need"

Sean's contact info is at https://www.facebook.com/sean.gassman

"As of right now 7:30 am pool swim start at Lifetime Garland"

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Ok... Just got off the phone with some updates. As of Now... and it could change.
1. swim is est. to start at 7... but depends on how he feels getting off the bike.
2. He will be moved to the parking lot by the spill way which will be our T1 and T2 for the bike and run. The 5k will be at around 7 no matter what, he has started getting them done and then finishing his run since he is not finishing until much later and does not want everyone waiting on him.
3. Arrive early and stay late... times can change but an effort is being made to keep it around the same time.
stay here for updates. I will be using periscope for live broadcast also...

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kathy_caribe wrote:
satanellus wrote:
badgertri wrote:
...... There was a 60+ year old couple that ran the perimeter of Australia doing a marathon every single day for 366 days. ....


This is another league altogether compared to the two examples you have given.

Running 26 or 30 miles/day is so much simpler by comparison. These distances allow much more recovery time and don't have the travel eating into each day's recovery. .


dunno, get back to me when you're 60+ and do a marathon daily for a year. not saying it is on par with the ironcowboy but he does have youth on his side. :)

No need for me to wait another 9 years to get back to you to give this some perspective.

Splitting a daily marathon into a morning and evening run, with plenty of walking for good measure, with little else to do all day, is probably more achievable than many runners would imagine.

As far as over 60 ultra running goes, this is nothing like the performances of Cliff Young, George Audley or George Perdon in their 60s.

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tonight's marathon turn out...

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No need for me to wait another 9 years to get back to you to give this some perspective.



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youngster! :)

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