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Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike
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I realize Herbert had an article on the front page, but Sarah tweeted a video link today to a youtube video of the actual theft. In today's day of age, with the ease of retweeting and sharing, I have to think someone will recognize this guy: https://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be


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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to repost my comment from the front page article:

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Assuming the car he was driving wasn't stolen and that it's registered in one of the surrounding counties, the police should be able to narrow down a list of suspects as follows:
-year range of VW Golf (e.g. Mk iii, iv, v...)
-black
-cross reference registration with licenses
-narrow licenses by male
-narrow licenses by height range
-the population of the surrounding area is ~2mil so I'm guessing this will leave you with ~100-200 people which could be narrowed down to probably ~20-40 if you're more certain of his height and he's in the 6'3-6'5" range and not 6'2"-6'4" range. You should be able to use objects in the video to measure his height fairly accurately.
-see how many have listed phone numbers, search craigslist etc. If the number shows up (on almost any listing) you might have your perp. If not, there's a good chance you've further narrowed your list.

It's not full-proof by any means but it's worth a shot. If it doesn't appear the police are doing anything, a private eye/private detective should have the resources necessary to conduct the above search.

Good luck in recovering your baby :)

Honestly, this video gives even more to go on. That's a black, four-door, VW Golf and I'm 95% sure it's a Mk 7(wiki). If she (or anyone) takes a screenshot at 1:39 and goes to a VW dealer, they'll be able to tell you what trim level it is based on those wheels and maybe a few other things. Even in an area like San Francisco and the surrounding municipalities, there will not be that many registrations. Cross reference white male, early 30s to late 40s and that list will grow smaller still. Narrow down by height and you'll be left with 10-20 people tops.

Side tangent... even if you don't employ a private eye/private detective, you could ask your local VW dealer to tell you how many of those exact cars had been sold in the area and there's an outside (admittedly remote) that a salesman might recognize the guy.

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-this guy is probably a triathlete. He knew Sarah. Maybe not personally but he'd seen her and her bike in person before as you can see this was very targeted. It wasn't a rando and this guy certainly isn't a "pro" at stealing bikes from the backs of people's cars. The way he stood in the middle of the street and looked around... if people were around he'd draw a lot of attention to himself. I would canvas local tri and bike clubs. This can be done pretty easily via social media. See if anyone recognizes him or his car.
-Notice how the guy went right for the button that auto-closes the trunk. On the right side. It's not on the right side of every vehicle (it's on the left on my Volvo and I think on the left of Mercedes) and... heck... the vast majority of vehicles on the road don't have that feature. He pressed that button instinctively so he's familiar with newer Audis. Possibly a service tech or a salesman.
-the guy left his fingerprints
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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The fact that he has a bike rack on his car is another thing to add to that. I think he recognized the bike and it's value immediately (Pretty sure that's a Thule rack) So add that to the list of narrowing the car owner down.

He looks to be about 6ft which isn't really help - but it does make it obvious that the bike wasn't stolen for his own personal use or something idiotic like that - he's going to sell it. Which, I think bodes well for it's recovery... depending on how patient he is.

I don't think that he's a car tech, because those buttons are on the VW and he would just have to know to look for them - not know exactly where they are there.

I'd agree best place to look for a person in a similar car doing bike related activities in SF.


What do you think he was doing when he backed up to the car after basically having a clear shot straight out (1:50 of the video he reaches out and touches the wheel well, i think, maybe even the door at the very least that's another place to look for prints or... something? Not sure just very odd) Maybe he was looking for more to steal - but he obviously knew what he was looking for and knew he had about 10k in his trunk at that point. Also, it seemed he already had his car seats down so he might have had an inclination that he was getting a bike.

Spit ballin here but thats a lot more information than "my bike's gone, oh no"
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Don't want to get anyone's hopes up but I may have a lead....

Notice the roof rails above... and then look at the vehicle in the back lot of Rector Audi below. Right color, right size, distinct roof rails. Dealership is close by and it explains being able to access the vehicle and being familiar with the trunk close button. I'm pretty certain that's a roof rack in the pic below. I just spent 20mins looking at GoogleEarth... because I can't sleep... and those silver lines/bars aren't the outline of a sunroof. I'm pretty certain it's a roof rack.

It's not a very far drive either. Might be worth going down there with a printout of the VW to see if you (Sarah) see the car in the employee/back lot or if anyone in service recognizes it.


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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Nice.

Also, it's on the opposite side but the white thing in the dash is still there. Which may or may not be some sort of SF thing that's common but he still has that there. In the screen shot from the video it seems to be paper but it may be something to allow him in and out of the dealership.

I'm not sure of the laws in California, but the other cars on the street have front license plates, but the VW from the video does not. Maybe it has dealer plates and he gets away with not suing a front plate? I may be just running with the theory you've proposed but that's a lot of information in it's favor.

I'd also agree that the lines are a roof rack, and you can clearly see that there is a sunroof between so just another few pieces that add to the distinctiveness of the car.

A few things to check are when is that Google image taken? If it's recent it may still be on the lot and in fact be a salesman at the dealership - if it's older it would probably be an older car. I quick checked the inventory of their lot at it doesn't seem that they have and VW's for sale - But i'm going to keep searching to see if i can find a "SOLD" listing.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Also to note - That is the location of three different businesses

- Mike harvey Used (Acura and honda it seems)

- New wave paging and com

- Rector motor car co

It doesn't seem that that would be parking for the paging and com - but another lead may be the other dealership.

I checked Rector Audi and Mike Harvey Used and neither of them have and VW's for list right now. So that would lead to it either being sold or an employee car ( if it is the car- can't get hung on that)
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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wow, great find.

how are we filming and storing our videos of our bikes being stolen?

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Cyronman wrote:
Nice.

Also, it's on the opposite side but the white thing in the dash is still there. Which may or may not be some sort of SF thing that's common but he still has that there. In the screen shot from the video it seems to be paper but it may be something to allow him in and out of the dealership.

I'm not sure of the laws in California, but the other cars on the street have front license plates, but the VW from the video does not. Maybe it has dealer plates and he gets away with not suing a front plate? I may be just running with the theory you've proposed but that's a lot of information in it's favor.

I'd also agree that the lines are a roof rack, and you can clearly see that there is a sunroof between so just another few pieces that add to the distinctiveness of the car.

A few things to check are when is that Google image taken? If it's recent it may still be on the lot and in fact be a salesman at the dealership - if it's older it would probably be an older car. I quick checked the inventory of their lot at it doesn't seem that they have and VW's for sale - But i'm going to keep searching to see if i can find a "SOLD" listing.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Usually that is stuck under the rearview, not on the dash.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Cyronman wrote:
Usually that is stuck under the rearview, not on the dash.

Yes, if you keep it in one car. Lots of people who move it between cars toss it on the dash.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for posting this in the forum! You can't put things on the front "articles" page and expect anyone to see them. I'll keep an eye out for sure.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Cyronman wrote:
Also to note - That is the location of three different businesses

- Mike harvey Used (Acura and honda it seems)

- New wave paging and com

- Rector motor car co

It doesn't seem that that would be parking for the paging and com - but another lead may be the other dealership.

I checked Rector Audi and Mike Harvey Used and neither of them have and VW's for list right now. So that would lead to it either being sold or an employee car ( if it is the car- can't get hung on that)

In reference to this I've emailed these dealerships asking about "A car I saw in there a while back" to see if they could give me any information about one with the loose description of the one from the video. We'll see if anything turns up.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. I hope they find this loser. Are the police actively investigating? It seems like there are more than enough clues to catch this creeper.
Grand theft.
Can this video be posted some place where it gets more views?
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Ty] [ In reply to ]
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Ty wrote:
Wow. I hope they find this loser. Are the police actively investigating? It seems like there are more than enough clues to catch this creeper.
Grand theft.
Can this video be posted some place where it gets more views?

Youtube is a pretty prominent place to place videos. It just needs more discussion. If one of the SF news stations picked this up I am sure that would be enough.


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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Every STer that reads this post and watches the video needs to share it on their FB wall. The more people that see it the better. You may not be from her area, but the dude may have friends in your area who might try to sell it for him.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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No front plate, it's either been removed (unlikely, police attention grabber), registered in AZ or NM for the SW/W, or a dealer plate is stuck on the back.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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Cyronman wrote:
Nice.

Also, it's on the opposite side but the white thing in the dash is still there. Which may or may not be some sort of SF thing that's common but he still has that there. In the screen shot from the video it seems to be paper but it may be something to allow him in and out of the dealership.

I'm not sure of the laws in California, but the other cars on the street have front license plates, but the VW from the video does not. Maybe it has dealer plates and he gets away with not suing a front plate? I may be just running with the theory you've proposed but that's a lot of information in it's favor.

I'd also agree that the lines are a roof rack, and you can clearly see that there is a sunroof between so just another few pieces that add to the distinctiveness of the car.

A few things to check are when is that Google image taken? If it's recent it may still be on the lot and in fact be a salesman at the dealership - if it's older it would probably be an older car. I quick checked the inventory of their lot at it doesn't seem that they have and VW's for sale - But i'm going to keep searching to see if i can find a "SOLD" listing.

I just checked, the image was dated February 2nd of this year. It's very recent. Also, I'm now 99% sure it's a Mk6 (wiki) as there's a difference in fog lights between the Mk6 and Mk7 (the Mk6 are round whereas the Mk7 the fog lights are almost "hidden" in an air intake). This is really really good news as the Mk6 had an unusually short production run which should further narrow vehicle registrations (manufactured between 2009 and 2011).
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I checked with Mike Harvey Honda/Acura which is located on the same lot that you linked from google maps - I asked about a black VW with sunroof and asked what type of rack it had on it. They emailed me back with this response -


It sounds like they recognize the car I referenced meaning that that very well could be the place of purchase. If that was a recent google maps shot maybe Sarah can have the police enquire about the car buyer and see if they can link him to the man in the video?

Also - I did email back and ask which model of VW it was just to see if we can get another piece of the puzzle together.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease, I am just curious how in the world did you locate this car in the Audi lot? You are quite the detective.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Ty] [ In reply to ]
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Ty wrote:
GreenPlease, I am just curious how in the world did you locate this car in the Audi lot? You are quite the detective.
If the thief gets caught as a result of the sleuthing on this thread...I'd love to see the reaction on his face when the details of evidence gets put in front of him...and that it came from random people on an internet forum.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I'm going to repost my comment from the front page article:

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Assuming the car he was driving wasn't stolen and that it's registered in one of the surrounding counties, the police should be able to narrow down a list of suspects as follows:
-year range of VW Golf (e.g. Mk iii, iv, v...)
-black
-cross reference registration with licenses
-narrow licenses by male
-narrow licenses by height range
-the population of the surrounding area is ~2mil so I'm guessing this will leave you with ~100-200 people which could be narrowed down to probably ~20-40 if you're more certain of his height and he's in the 6'3-6'5" range and not 6'2"-6'4" range. You should be able to use objects in the video to measure his height fairly accurately.
-see how many have listed phone numbers, search craigslist etc. If the number shows up (on almost any listing) you might have your perp. If not, there's a good chance you've further narrowed your list.

It's not full-proof by any means but it's worth a shot. If it doesn't appear the police are doing anything, a private eye/private detective should have the resources necessary to conduct the above search.

Good luck in recovering your baby :)

Honestly, this video gives even more to go on. That's a black, four-door, VW Golf and I'm 95% sure it's a Mk 7(wiki). If she (or anyone) takes a screenshot at 1:39 and goes to a VW dealer, they'll be able to tell you what trim level it is based on those wheels and maybe a few other things. Even in an area like San Francisco and the surrounding municipalities, there will not be that many registrations. Cross reference white male, early 30s to late 40s and that list will grow smaller still. Narrow down by height and you'll be left with 10-20 people tops.

Side tangent... even if you don't employ a private eye/private detective, you could ask your local VW dealer to tell you how many of those exact cars had been sold in the area and there's an outside (admittedly remote) that a salesman might recognize the guy.

Other notes:
-this guy is probably a triathlete. He knew Sarah. Maybe not personally but he'd seen her and her bike in person before as you can see this was very targeted. It wasn't a rando and this guy certainly isn't a "pro" at stealing bikes from the backs of people's cars. The way he stood in the middle of the street and looked around... if people were around he'd draw a lot of attention to himself. I would canvas local tri and bike clubs. This can be done pretty easily via social media. See if anyone recognizes him or his car.
-Notice how the guy went right for the button that auto-closes the trunk. On the right side. It's not on the right side of every vehicle (it's on the left on my Volvo and I think on the left of Mercedes) and... heck... the vast majority of vehicles on the road don't have that feature. He pressed that button instinctively so he's familiar with newer Audis. Possibly a service tech or a salesman.
-the guy left his fingerprints

I assure you, there are no databases existing that function in this way.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [JayZ] [ In reply to ]
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Re car: i think fog light were only available on the TDI (2.0L diesel). Also, those look like the VW "Porto" wheels, available on the 2010 or 2011, but not a 2012. The TDI was available as an automatic or manual. When the driver reverses, it behaves more like an automatic to my eye. Lastly, the rack looks like the VW factory basebar option.

Summary: 2010 or 2011 VW Golf TDI automatic with factory rack.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Ty] [ In reply to ]
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Ty wrote:
GreenPlease, I am just curious how in the world did you locate this car in the Audi lot? You are quite the detective.

We can't be 100% sure that's the car but there's a good chance that's it. Two things stood out to me: he gained access to a locked car and he knew right where the trunk close button was instinctively so there's a good chance he's a salesman or a service technician. I figured I'd check the Audi lots in the surrounding area.

Also, I was stuck in New Orleans, couldn't sleep, and had nothing else to do :p
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Sarah should go straight to the service manager with a direct approach. Something like: There is a possibility that an employee of your dealership stole my bike out of my q5 - I have reason to believe the car that drove off of the crime scene has been parked in your lot in the past and I have reason to believe the thief is employed by an audi or vag dealership. it will take you 2 minutes to watch the video. Ease watch this and tell me if you know recognize the car or person who did this.

The person had an 315 hertz audi master remote. You cannot just get one of those.

This is simply speculation: He shit a brick when he saw the P5 in the back. He was scouting audi q5s ( again he had the key) not scouting for bikes valuables.

Oh and the vw is a manual transmission.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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The thief may have stalked Sarah's recent Strava rides to ID her house. Do any of her followers look suspicious?

https://www.strava.com/athletes/1947860

He may have eyed her P5 on instagram (or twitter). So, possibly a follower of hers there too: https://instagram.com/p/zOKQ6qAsvo/?modal=true
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:


We can't be 100% sure that's the car but there's a good chance that's it. Two things stood out to me: he gained access to a locked car and he knew right where the trunk close button was instinctively so there's a good chance he's a salesman or a service technician. I figured I'd check the Audi lots in the surrounding area.

Also, I was stuck in New Orleans, couldn't sleep, and had nothing else to do :p


So we are thinking he works at the shop? Why don't we just email the shop, tell them we are looking for a stolen bike, and ask them if they recognize the guy from the video.


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JayZ wrote:
I assure you, there are no databases existing that function in this way.

I just looked at my vehicle registration. It has:
-make
-year
-color
-vehicle classification
-VIN #
-driver's license #

My license has my:
-license #
-birth date
-gender
-height


It would be very sad if you can't query something like:

SELECT Volkswagen, Black, Compact, WHERE Year BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011

...and then see the corresponding driver's license numbers, go over to the driver's license database, set a height, gender, age range, and the license number range (hash?)

I would be blown away if the police couldn't do something like that. You may not be able to specify "Golf, four door" but that's not a deal breaker by any means. If you really wanted to narrow that down you should be able to query the VINs with the manufacturer.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:


We can't be 100% sure that's the car but there's a good chance that's it. Two things stood out to me: he gained access to a locked car and he knew right where the trunk close button was instinctively so there's a good chance he's a salesman or a service technician. I figured I'd check the Audi lots in the surrounding area.

Also, I was stuck in New Orleans, couldn't sleep, and had nothing else to do :p


So we are thinking he works at the shop? Why don't we just email the shop, tell them we are looking for a stolen pick, and ask them if they recognize the guy from the video.

I wouldn't email the shop in case he does work there and he sees the email. If I were Sarah I'd just drive over there (find an excuse... maybe there's a nice restaurant in the area for lunch) see if his car is there. Bring a print out from the security feed and the satellite image and talk to the sales and service managers. They should be accommodative if they're responsible.

It's a long-shot admittedly but it's worth a shot. When the managers see the satellite image of what looks to be the same car in their lot they'll try to figure out a way to help her... unless they're total asses (possible).
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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That is what I think should be done. You cannot just get into the car that easily so, to me, the technician /employee angle is more logical than he was targeting Sarah specifically.

When the cerbral cortex is overloaded with information rubbing the lower mandible provides relief ( this only applies to males). That is what he does when he sees the bike in the back of the car. Sometimes you see what you expect to see but I think he was stunned to see the bike.
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The flip side is that it appears that his rear seats were already down which tells me he was expecting a bike.

There's a 51cm P5-3 with a P5-6 cockpit and Di2 for sale in Grand Junction. It's another long shot but if this guy knew his way around a bike he might've just swapped the fork and the crank. Wheels appear similar to what I could make out in the video and the Xlab is on there as well. Fly in the ointment is the name tag and what appears to be the Mexican flag :/

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I would doubt this one as being the bike. Not likely he just had another one of those forks and the adition aduro riser on hand.

This thread is amazing though. If this does catch the guy, Slowtwitch will again impress me with it ability to uncover the truth.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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How do you know the seats were down?. It took him 40 seconds to load the bike. I think they were not down but you may have seen something I missed.
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ajthomas wrote:
How do you know the seats were down?. It took him 40 seconds to load the bike. I think they were not down but you may have seen something I missed.

I don't think everyone knows that there is a timeshift in the video after he walks off screen with the bike.


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ajthomas wrote:
How do you know the seats were down?. It took him 40 seconds to load the bike. I think they were not down but you may have seen something I missed.

I didn't notice the time shift. Just saw that now.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I live in Sausalito and am on my bike around town nearly every day. Video is helpful as well regarding vehicle. Will surely keep an eye out. Guessing its now south of here now though.
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GreenPlease wrote:
JayZ wrote:
I assure you, there are no databases existing that function in this way.

I just looked at my vehicle registration. It has:
-make
-year
-color
-vehicle classification
-VIN #
-driver's license #

My license has my:
-license #
-birth date
-gender
-height


It would be very sad if you can't query something like:

SELECT Volkswagen, Black, Compact, WHERE Year BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011

...and then see the corresponding driver's license numbers, go over to the driver's license database, set a height, gender, age range, and the license number range (hash?)

I would be blown away if the police couldn't do something like that. You may not be able to specify "Golf, four door" but that's not a deal breaker by any means. If you really wanted to narrow that down you should be able to query the VINs with the manufacturer.

Forgive my shit SQL, it's been a very long time.

Prepare to be blown away. You can't.
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Btw, the thief may have backed up at the end to wipe his prints off the door.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [JayZ] [ In reply to ]
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JayZ wrote:

Prepare to be blown away. You can't.


My emotions are currently oscillating between this

and this


Edit: you mean to tell me that we can put rovers on Mars but we can't reverse lookup a vehicle's driver? This is why we haven't made contact with intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Nobody wants to talk to us.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [dmacandcheese] [ In reply to ]
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dmacandcheese wrote:
No front plate, it's either been removed (unlikely, police attention grabber), registered in AZ or NM for the SW/W, or a dealer plate is stuck on the back.

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No front plate in CA is very common. Very very rarely will that be cited. Used to be you could not be pulled over for an equipment violation, but I'm pretty sure that has changed. Some plate cites have increased due to red light cameras and tolling by plate (both bring revenue)

California state agency computer systems are absolute crap. All waste millions on systems that do not work.

Most agencies will not bother to investigate a lowly bike theft. If a bike is recovered, they might try to find an owner; don't hold your breath.

I'd wager that Slowtwitch has spent a hundred times the hours that most CA agencies would ever spend on this.
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GreenPlease wrote:
Cyronman wrote:
Nice.

Also, it's on the opposite side but the white thing in the dash is still there. Which may or may not be some sort of SF thing that's common but he still has that there. In the screen shot from the video it seems to be paper but it may be something to allow him in and out of the dealership.

I'm not sure of the laws in California, but the other cars on the street have front license plates, but the VW from the video does not. Maybe it has dealer plates and he gets away with not suing a front plate? I may be just running with the theory you've proposed but that's a lot of information in it's favor.

I'd also agree that the lines are a roof rack, and you can clearly see that there is a sunroof between so just another few pieces that add to the distinctiveness of the car.

A few things to check are when is that Google image taken? If it's recent it may still be on the lot and in fact be a salesman at the dealership - if it's older it would probably be an older car. I quick checked the inventory of their lot at it doesn't seem that they have and VW's for sale - But i'm going to keep searching to see if i can find a "SOLD" listing.


I just checked, the image was dated February 2nd of this year. It's very recent. Also, I'm now 99% sure it's a Mk6 (wiki) as there's a difference in fog lights between the Mk6 and Mk7 (the Mk6 are round whereas the Mk7 the fog lights are almost "hidden" in an air intake). This is really really good news as the Mk6 had an unusually short production run which should further narrow vehicle registrations (manufactured between 2009 and 2011).

Im pretty sure it is a mk6. i had the same car in red. Front of mk7 is slightly different
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [JayZ] [ In reply to ]
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JayZ wrote:
I assure you, there are no databases existing that function in this way.

Sorry to burst your naive bubble, but databases like this absolutely exist. I work with a database that has this capability, and much much more, every day.
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Prepare to be blown away. You can't.

I don't know if you are saying that, no free and publicly available system exists for the general public to do this

or if you are saying that this can't be done period.

If you are saying the latter, you are wrong.



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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Posted this video on our fb and twitter and let Sarah know.

I too am doubtful that state agencies will find the bike, but I bet that the ST mind meld will. I can think of at least 5 ways this bike can be disposed of:
1) sell to a pawn shop
2) sell on a local tri club website
3) sell via a bike shop
4) sell on ebay (link to all P5s on ebay)
5) sell on craiglist (link to all P5s on all craiglist sites).

Keep your eyes peeled ...

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [electrolytextc] [ In reply to ]
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electrolytextc wrote:
JayZ wrote:
I assure you, there are no databases existing that function in this way.

Sorry to burst your naive bubble, but databases like this absolutely exist. I work with a database that has this capability, and much much more, every day.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be possible, I'm saying that cops don't have access to search DMV records by metrics like height and weight.

I'm honestly about 50/50 whether or not courts would even allow it or decide it was a 4th amendment violation to cull data this way.

I've been a cop for 8 years and an investigator for 5 of that. It doesn't work that way.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
JayZ wrote:


Prepare to be blown away. You can't.


My emotions are currently oscillating between this

and this


Edit: you mean to tell me that we can put rovers on Mars but we can't reverse lookup a vehicle's driver? This is why we haven't made contact with intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Nobody wants to talk to us.

I literally had coffee come out my nose.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think it was a manual, there was absolutely no roll back when he was going back and forth to the car. I speculated too and watched it in half speed and didn't see anything to suggest. If you look at his arms it just doesn't look like a motion of putting a manual transmission in reverse/first.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Cyronman] [ In reply to ]
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At 1:47/:48 when he goes from Reverse to first it looks like a manual shift to me. And he shifts while the car is still rolling back, which you can do in an auto but is really clunky.

I wouldn't stake anything on any if that, though
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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So I called my audi dealer (I have an sq5) and a service tech looked at the video and said the car was left unlocked. The factory default is that the lights turn on when you unlock the doors and that doesn't happen. You can set it for that not to happen, but she would have had to manually turned off that feature and that is not likely. Possible, but not likely.
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Ahh yes, you're right. Watching it in half time actually hurt me there because I couldn't see it continue to move while shifting.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [415brian] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty sure he noticed he hadn't shut the door completely.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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So as it turns out, the doors were unlocked as the guy drove by 1 minute prior to the posted video.

This is probably where he got the device: http://www.keyprogtools.com/
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ajthomas wrote:
So as it turns out, the doors were unlocked as the guy drove by 1 minute prior to the posted video.

If you don't open the door, I'd have to walk outside and double check the time, they relock automatically.
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Don't want to get anyone's hopes up but I may have a lead....

Notice the roof rails above... and then look at the vehicle in the back lot of Rector Audi below. Right color, right size, distinct roof rails. Dealership is close by and it explains being able to access the vehicle and being familiar with the trunk close button. I'm pretty certain that's a roof rack in the pic below. I just spent 20mins looking at GoogleEarth... because I can't sleep... and those silver lines/bars aren't the outline of a sunroof. I'm pretty certain it's a roof rack.

Look at the freeze frame you used and look at the pic you posted. From that angle a Q5 and the Golf would appear virtually the same.

I do agree there is familiarity with the vehicle though, the button press was too quick and natural
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [415brian] [ In reply to ]
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415brian wrote:
Re car: i think fog light were only available on the TDI (2.0L diesel). Also, those look like the VW "Porto" wheels, available on the 2010 or 2011, but not a 2012. The TDI was available as an automatic or manual. When the driver reverses, it behaves more like an automatic to my eye. Lastly, the rack looks like the VW factory basebar option.

Summary: 2010 or 2011 VW Golf TDI automatic with factory rack.

Definitely mk6, I think you are right with the foglights being TDI only.

Rack is absolutely VW factory

I wouldn't count on the wheels pinning down a year especially if this is a VW employee, take offs/swaps would be readily available to someone. Not that the year matters.


In regards to the transmission, it would be a DSG if an auto so at those speeds basically behave like a manual in regards to roll back, delays that sort of thing in those conditions. Too hard to say there.

checking to see if this is on any of the VW forums and posting it up there.
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ajthomas wrote:
So I called my audi dealer (I have an sq5) and a service tech looked at the video and said the car was left unlocked. The factory default is that the lights turn on when you unlock the doors and that doesn't happen. You can set it for that not to happen, but she would have had to manually turned off that feature and that is not likely. Possible, but not likely.

Ah, good catch
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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There are other Q5s and Q7s on the lot. The largest SUVs are Q7s, the slightly smaller ones are Q5s, and then there are a few vehicles that are Golf/A3 sized including the vehicle I outlined. I'm quite certain the vehicle I outlined is a black Golf/A3 with a roof rack which makes it eerily similar to the vehicle pictured in the bike theft.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
There are other Q5s and Q7s on the lot. The largest SUVs are Q7s, the slightly smaller ones are Q5s, and then there are a few vehicles that are Golf/A3 sized including the vehicle I outlined. I'm quite certain the vehicle I outlined is a black Golf/A3 with a roof rack which makes it eerily similar to the vehicle pictured in the bike theft.

Again not saying it isn't.

But look at the still you took.. the cars are the same size from above, the Q5 is tiny.. I had to carry lumber in one of our company a4s one time because it wouldn't fit in the Q5. We don't have the Q5 any more but still have the A4, if our new trailer wasn't in the shop I'd pull my jetta wagon around to show the footprint is the same from the angle you are trying to show.

Point being for all you know that is Sarah's car at the dealer.
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ajthomas wrote:
So I called my audi dealer (I have an sq5) and a service tech looked at the video and said the car was left unlocked. The factory default is that the lights turn on when you unlock the doors and that doesn't happen. You can set it for that not to happen, but she would have had to manually turned off that feature and that is not likely. Possible, but not likely.

That stuff is generally either dealer programmable or user programmable (on zee german cars it tends to be dealer only), but it's fairly common for dealers to go through those options with owners on delivery. Fair point though, equally possible that it was unlocked!

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [renorider] [ In reply to ]
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Sarah is saying on YouTube that she thinks the person used some sort of signal booster or transmitter, implying that it was locked.

renorider wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
So I called my audi dealer (I have an sq5) and a service tech looked at the video and said the car was left unlocked. The factory default is that the lights turn on when you unlock the doors and that doesn't happen. You can set it for that not to happen, but she would have had to manually turned off that feature and that is not likely. Possible, but not likely.


That stuff is generally either dealer programmable or user programmable (on zee german cars it tends to be dealer only), but it's fairly common for dealers to go through those options with owners on delivery. Fair point though, equally possible that it was unlocked!

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Has anyone read The Circle? This exact thing happens tracking down a criminal --- but it only takes them 11 minutes.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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ericM40-44 wrote:
Sarah is saying on YouTube that she thinks the person used some sort of signal booster or transmitter, implying that it was locked.

renorider wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
So I called my audi dealer (I have an sq5) and a service tech looked at the video and said the car was left unlocked. The factory default is that the lights turn on when you unlock the doors and that doesn't happen. You can set it for that not to happen, but she would have had to manually turned off that feature and that is not likely. Possible, but not likely.


That stuff is generally either dealer programmable or user programmable (on zee german cars it tends to be dealer only), but it's fairly common for dealers to go through those options with owners on delivery. Fair point though, equally possible that it was unlocked!


She also has to say that if she is trying to file a claim with her insurance company. If its unlocked, they will not pay the claim. The first time I watched the video, it appeared to me that front door was locked, but the rear was not.

It looks to me that he has something in his left hand when he is standing in the street looking around before he approaches here vehicle. Does anyone know is the lights of turn signals blink when the vehicle is unlocked with a remote? Also, is there a light that blinks inside the vehicle if its locked and alarm is on? It also looks like he was looking at something in the front seat\dash area before he went to the back door and opened it.

I also believe it is a manual transmission.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Burnt Toast] [ In reply to ]
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I am 100% sure that the lights blink when you unlock the door but that is irrelevant because Sarah is saying the car was unlocked by the guy prior to the video.

Here is what I would do: it is a really big deal that someone has an audi key amplification device. That is extremely news worthy. If Sarah has the video showing him unlocking the car she can get the video on the news because every audi owner in the city will be like wtf? I am saying wtf and my car is 2200 miles away. The guy will get caught - quickly - if this makes it to the news.

Oh and if the guy gets caught I predict he is lebanese.
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ajthomas wrote:
I am 100% sure that the lights blink when you unlock the door but that is irrelevant because Sarah is saying the car was unlocked by the guy prior to the video.

Here is what I would do: it is a really big deal that someone has an audi key amplification device. That is extremely news worthy. If Sarah has the video showing him unlocking the car she can get the video on the news because every audi owner in the city will be like wtf? I am saying wtf and my car is 2200 miles away. The guy will get caught - quickly - if this makes it to the news.

Oh and if the guy gets caught I predict he is lebanese.


Is there any reason to believe that there is not video going all the way back to when Sarah parked her car? IOW, the video exists. If there are any light blinking features associated with her car locks, then she could provide not only the video showing that her car was unlocked remotely...but also that she did indeed lock her car after she parked it.

Whether or not Sarah is willing to release that video...either to the public or to her insurance company...could be a different story.

ETA: Is this her personal security video, or a security system that belongs to someone else? Sorry...I didn't spend a lot of time looking into this whole story.
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The first time I watched the video, it appeared to me that front door was locked, but the rear was not.


That isn't possible, you can unlock the driver only, all or pop the trunk.

If you do not open any door in 30-60 seconds they relock.

Edit: the only way that this would be possible in the Audi system that I can think of is if there was a driver and a rear passenger but no front passenger (if I'm recalling it right). This would essentially unlock the driver door upon turning the car off but not the front passenger if no occupancy was detected. The rear does not have occupancy sensors that I"m aware of so the rear would remain unlocked, that single door would be unlocked upon pulling the inside handle. BUT that then would mean that the doors were then not locked in order for that scenario to occur later on.

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Does anyone know is the lights of turn signals blink when the vehicle is unlocked with a remote?


They do via the button, I don't recall if they do or not if you approach them with the completely hands free key. You can program it to turn off the beep but I don't recall if you can program it to not blink the lights upon unlocking.

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Also, is there a light that blinks inside the vehicle if its locked and alarm is on?


Blanking on the q5s but there is an led where the old style lock pop up thing would be on door on the driverside or center dash.. too many audis/vws in my head to remember right now.


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It also looks like he was looking at something in the front seat\dash area before he went to the back door and opened it.


This may have been to trigger the keyless unlocking, he fiddles with the handle, I believe triggering the front passenger if the key is detected on that side unlocks the rears as well.


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I also believe it is a manual transmission.


The DSG is an automated dual clutch with actual gears like a manual and will go into a true neutral allow the car to rock and roll like a manual, imho impossible to tell in this video.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
JayZ wrote:

It would be very sad if you can't query something like:

SELECT Volkswagen, Black, Compact, WHERE Year BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011

...and then see the corresponding driver's license numbers, go over to the driver's license database, set a height, gender, age range, and the license number range (hash?)

I would be blown away if the police couldn't do something like that. You may not be able to specify "Golf, four door" but that's not a deal breaker by any means. If you really wanted to narrow that down you should be able to query the VINs with the manufacturer.

Forgive my shit SQL, it's been a very long time.

geez as soon as you guys get into upper management you forget everything..

select sri.first_name,sri.last_name,vrl.vehicle_plate,sri.sri_no as 'drivers_license_number'
from vehicle_registration_list vrl right outer join state_resident_id sri on (vrl.sri_no = sri.sri_no)
where vrl.vehicle_make = 'Volkswagen'
and vrl.vehicle_color like '%black%'
and vrl.vehicle_model like '%golf%'
and vrl.model_year between '2009' and '2011'
and sri.IS_A_DOUCHE_BAG = 'Y'

should be just 1 row most likely.
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And if the DB had no credit so it is financed under his moms name and registered to her as well for cheaper insurance it won't get you anything.

When I worked at VW in the early 2000s they sent out some stats on the average buyers of vehicles.

The average GTI buyer (~21k at the time) was about 55 years old and household income of well over 100k... as in the average buyer was someone buying it for their kid, that is the information the police would have on file from registration not necessarily the driver.

Can't hurt to look but it often won't tell you a thing
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SQL police here... You don't need an outer join as you really don't care about cars that are not registered to a person in the residents list. Regular/inner join is what you want. Also the model year column is more likely a number so no single quotes there.
:) no single quotes for column aliases either


BorrachoMatador wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
JayZ wrote:

It would be very sad if you can't query something like:

SELECT Volkswagen, Black, Compact, WHERE Year BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011

...and then see the corresponding driver's license numbers, go over to the driver's license database, set a height, gender, age range, and the license number range (hash?)

I would be blown away if the police couldn't do something like that. You may not be able to specify "Golf, four door" but that's not a deal breaker by any means. If you really wanted to narrow that down you should be able to query the VINs with the manufacturer.

Forgive my shit SQL, it's been a very long time.

geez as soon as you guys get into upper management you forget everything..

select sri.first_name,sri.last_name,vrl.vehicle_plate,sri.sri_no as 'drivers_license_number'
from vehicle_registration_list vrl right outer join state_resident_id sri on (vrl.sri_no = sri.sri_no)
where vrl.vehicle_make = 'Volkswagen'
and vrl.vehicle_color like '%black%'
and vrl.vehicle_model like '%golf%'
and vrl.model_year between '2009' and '2011'
and sri.IS_A_DOUCHE_BAG = 'Y'

should be just 1 row most likely.
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This video is a bit of puzzle for me, more questions than answers of course.

- looks up at the condos first, so that is his first priority before moving in, so there is a bit of pre-mediated plan here.
-also looks comfortable in that area, so likely has been there before
- knows how to handle a bike in/out just by the way he moved with it
- fitness/technical top - but shoes? Has funky lower leg/feet
-why does he walk and cover his breast pocket area? - that is curious
- glasses look strange too
- papers on the car dash - defining item and why?

- The crime doesn't make sense to me. What do you do with a small size P5-6?? It may go beyond just a bike theft, but more of a theft of personal items, that would be my concern.

I would show a pix/ask at the local area Starbucks or gym see if they know this guy.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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You guys are all better detectives than me.

A few questions though, why is the video edited?

Is there an uncut version. It seems to pause here and there. When he walks around to the drivers side 10 seconds of video is cut out. When he opens the rear door and reaches his arm up front the video pauses and then resumes 6 seconds or so ahead of time. Also he puts it into his vehicle pretty fast. I guess it could be done to include closing rear and getting in in 45 seconds, but like others have said he has probably done this before, either because he is a biker, or just a thief.

I know when I put my bike in the back of an SUV it takes me longer than that.

You guys may be right about the re-lock time, but for reference when I had my Mercedes ML430 it was more like 2 minutes or so before it would re-lock.

I'm not familiar with Audi's but I have reprogrammed many factory unlock features on my Chevy's over the years, and programmed my after market alarm system's to do certain things like roll up windows etc. so I don't think its too far out of line to think people re-program things to be set up how they want them. Again not an Audi owner so I don't know how hard it is with them, but other brands it doesn't take long, you just have to read the manual or look online and follow a certain order of button pushes with a key in the ignition to do so. But then again I am a car guy and that crazy.
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If this guy unlocks the doors with some sort of device why does he try the back first, the other side back second, the front passenger, then the back passenger.

Maybe I'm off base here but isn't he looking for an open door?

And, as the previous poster stated, why is the video edited. Something is not right here.
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martind28 wrote:
If this guy unlocks the doors with some sort of device why does he try the back first, the other side back second, the front passenger, then the back passenger.

Maybe I'm off base here but isn't he looking for an open door?

And, as the previous poster stated, why is the video edited. Something is not right here.

As for video being edited. It could just be motion controlled video or could just be editing to remove downtime - people have short attention spans, they don't want to be bothered by anything but action.


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True.

As others have stated, he looks like he's been there before.

As he walks up to the car he doesn't even really look in the car before he starts scoping the building. It's as if he knows what's in the car and he's just checking things out before he moves. It's weird that he doesn't go to the back, passenger door first. Why does he waste time checking the other doors?

And, when he drives back, it doesn't look like he's shutting the door, it's pretty clear the door is shut.
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It could be helpful to know the context for why her $10K P5 was in the back of her car in the afternoon. I am sure she doesn't leave it in there overnight - was she coming back from a race or a training ride? Living in a house, both my cars and bikes go in my garage, so I don't really have the issue with leaving my bike in my car on the street, but when I lived in a condo, the bike never stayed in the car on the street any longer than it had to. Was the bike there for a long time for some reason? Or was she inside about about to go get it? If the latter, did the thief know this and know he had limited time? I know I am not offering up much help here, but when I think of someone getting their bike stolen from inside their car, I would expect that person to be on the road or not in front of their own home, since I don't think most people leave their bike unattended in the back of their car while parked right in front of their condo.

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I'm disappointed. When this first hit I was actually reading jeffwise.net's version of where flight MH360 is and so when you posted these pics I thought for sure ST would go on a witch hunt so I set aside my whole weekend. Unfortunately everything's fizzled and we're just nitpicking each other's opinions about what kind of car it is or how he worked the lock instead of focusing on the guy himself.

I checked the Rector Audi website and there's a "staff" tab but no pics, just a place holder I think for each person's pic. Maybe somebody could go there on a recon.

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ericM40-44 wrote:
I'm disappointed. When this first hit I was actually reading jeffwise.net's version of where flight MH360 is and so when you posted these pics I thought for sure ST would go on a witch hunt so I set aside my whole weekend. Unfortunately everything's fizzled and we're just nitpicking each other's opinions about what kind of car it is or how he worked the lock instead of focusing on the guy himself.

I checked the Rector Audi website and there's a "staff" tab but no pics, just a place holder I think for each person's pic. Maybe somebody could go there on a recon.

Agreed. It would be nice to know if Sarah took a trip down to Rector Audi. I looked through her Strava followers to try and cross-reference but didn't find anything or anyone unusual. I guess there isn't enough of scandal to get the true ST Slueths out on their top game. I can tell you this, if my bike was stolen and I had this kind of evidence I would be a lot more vocal about it.


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It could be helpful to know the context for why her $10K P5 was in the back of her car in the afternoon. I am sure she doesn't leave it in there overnight - was she coming back from a race or a training ride? Living in a house, both my cars and bikes go in my garage, so I don't really have the issue with leaving my bike in my car on the street, but when I lived in a condo, the bike never stayed in the car on the street any longer than it had to. Was the bike there for a long time for some reason? Or was she inside about about to go get it? If the latter, did the thief know this and know he had limited time? I know I am not offering up much help here, but when I think of someone getting their bike stolen from inside their car, I would expect that person to be on the road or not in front of their own home, since I don't think most people leave their bike unattended in the back of their car while parked right in front of their condo.
I don't think it really matters why her bike was in her car. She didn't do anything wrong, the thief did.

This is getting good. I can't wait until he is caught.
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Hi All!

First and foremost I need to that you ALL for all you have done in terms of thinking through and trying to come up with ideas as to who/what/where. This forum as been HUGE and we have forwarded it to both the police department and to a private investigator I hired to help look into the case. I wanted to give you an update on where things are at and some specifics

1st - Prior to this happening I had been away travelling for almost a month. I left for South Africa for a race on January 18th, and from there went to a training camp, returning to my house on February 10th. I then let again on February 14th for some sponsor obligations, returning on the 19th. Many people have suggested that perhaps he was following me or watching me. I suppose this COULD be true, though, having been gone for such an extended period of time, I feel as though it is unlikely. I don't believe I was targeted (I could be wrong) and think it was a random event. From what we can tell, it seems he was going from car to car trying to open other vehicles, and since mine was parked in front of my house, it opened.

2nd - someone asked if I left my bike in my car frequently and the answer is no. However - I will qualify that and say that I have always felt Sausalito is a really safe neighborhood and if anyone knows the area, the streets around where I live are steep, windy and difficult to navigate. I have definitely left my bike in my car before, and at times I have even loaded it in my car and left it overnight as I prepared to leave early the next morning for training. This wasn't a common practice, but I have done it. In this case, I had arrived home at 2:30 PM from my trip, I had unloaded a few bags, but was so tired, I decided to lay down for a nap before unloading the rest of my car. I think the concept of someone potentially tracking me on Strava or Instagram is definitely reasonable, I also feel like, given I was gone for 1 month and happened to return THAT day, not having posted anything about my return to SF....it just seems unlikely to me for this to be the case...but again...DEF could be wrong

3rd - When I last spoke with the police detective (on Friday) he had followed up with the Rector Audi lead, but hadn't gotten far. He called and spoke with the manager who claimed that no VWs have been sold from the dealership recently. He also said, without supeona or warrant he was unwilling to provide any customer information. The detective felt that this was a dead end. He saw the letter that John received back and he felt that although the dealership was playing coy and being vague, that actually they knew nothing.

My plan is to actually go to the dealership on Monday with a picture of the man, the car and a description of what we believe the car is (that you gentlemen for knowing so much about cars...that is awesome) and asking if they could provide me with any information. Am hoping some charm might get me somewhere. I also thought I could then scout out the lot and see if the car was there (if, in fact, it is owned by an employee).

One question I have....if you look at the video, the rack (to me) seems to be positioned at the FRONT of the vehicle, whereas in the photo at the dealership, the rack seems positioned further back. Any thoughts there? Does that change anyone's opinion that perhaps this is the same vehicle?

4th - Sausalito is the first town north of the Golden Gate Bridge, so if the guy lived in the city or south of the city, he would have to have gone back across the bridge, where there are tons of surveillance cameras at the toll booth. My apartment is approximately 7-15 minutes from the toll booth depending on traffic, so I have asked the detective to get the surveillance footage from 4:40-4:50 PM on that day of all cars heading south bound. I haven't heard back from him on this yet, but if he went across that bridge, that would be a sure way to catch him.

I also asked the detective if we could run the vehicle registration search, which to me sounded like a genius idea....i mean really good. He said "do you know how many VW golfs are registered out there?"....he seemed to think that it wouldn't work, but I am going to push him on this again. Because you guys have seemed to narrow down the make, model and year (within a range) I feel like it is a worthwhile task....so I will keep you posted there!

I've also signed up for alerts on Craigslist and ebay. Every Cervelo bike or frame, every Shimano Dura Ace component, and ever PowerTap wheel set that gets listed, I am getting an alter on. I had a 55/42t front chain ring on that bike and ride 165mm cranks, which is VERY Specific and I think not very common. My feeling is even if the bike gets disassembled, and someone tries to sell the front chain ring and cranks, there would be a pretty good likelihood that that is my guy!

The last thing I have done/am doing is trying to walk through the neighborhood streets in any conceivable way he may have gotten back to the main road (or hen he drove around to get back to the car) to see if there are other houses with security cameras that may have captured his rear plate. Right now, I haven't come up with anything as yet, but still working on this.

So....that is it from my end. I know this is a LOT of information, but any other thoughts or ideas you have would be SO appreciated. Thank you SO much again for all of the help, insight and support. Truly....you guys are bringing so much to the table. If this guy gets caught, a big part of that will be because of you.

Thank you and now that i am on Slowtwitch I will continue to update you as I hear anything!

Sarah-
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Oh! And again - I cannot say Thank you enough. I really apologize for not getting on here sooner, but I have ready every thread and considered everything you have suggested. Please keep the ideas coming and I definitely plan to be more active/involved in this thread...
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I think your idea about crossing the golden gate bridge is a very good one. Also checking with any other neighbors regarding additional cameras is another idea. Lastly, and maybe I missed it, but are you sure he didn't drive into your street in such a way that his license plate was caught by your neighbor's camera?


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Hey Thomas - thanks...And yeh - My specific street is a one way, so there is no possibility he went the other direction. And with the placement of the camera, there isn't really a way to capture the rear plate. That is why I'm trying to find other cameras that may have been positioned differently. Thank you again!
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Hey Thomas - thanks...And yeh - My specific street is a one way, so there is no possibility he went the other direction. And with the placement of the camera, there isn't really a way to capture the rear plate. That is why I'm trying to find other cameras that may have been positioned differently. Thank you again!

Wait a second, if it is one way street sure the camera can't catch the plate coming out, but it should have been able to catch it going in. That is of course unless he backed his car into your street.


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I wonder if uploading the video to Reddit or something like that might get enough eyes on it so that someone would recognize him. The video is not bad, and while they might not be able to make a positive ID just off facial features, there is plenty more to go on. Hair color/style, clothing, and the way he moves is very distinctive along with his mannerisms.
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It did look like the thief has a FasTrak, but they could have headed back through to the east bay, as there is no toll in that direction.

If the Golden Gate doesn't show the car, you may want to also check the Bay Bridge and the San Mateo within an hour or so of the theft. They'd have to go through the tolls there to get back onto the peninsula.

I shared you story with my cycling club. I hope you find this guy and get your bike back!
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I've ID'd about half the staff at Rector Audi, and they look like real honest hardworking people.

However, there is a person of interest, and I am having a hard time getting enough information and photos to rule out 100%.

There may also be roof racks on black in the parking lot of Rector Audi. Do staff park on the roof top of the building?

I'd try to talk with the owner of the dealership, frame it as a personal issue.

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I wasn't suggesting that she did anything wrong in leaving her bike in the back of the car. Just that if this were her common practice, the thief might more likely be a neighbor or someone who would see this pattern and know that there would be a bike in the car. But since we now know that this was uncommon or at least not part of a pattern, it seems more likely this guy was checking out cars on her street and got lucky to find a P5 inside one of them.

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I left my bike overnight, downtown Vancouver a lot, in the past couple of years. I chucked a blanket over it, and have tint.... anyway back to sleuthing.:

Possible plate/paperwork explanation.
The "dealer plate" in CA is just free advertising for the dealership..i took mine off at the dealer before i left the lot. The dealer places the temp paperwork on the lower right windshield and the dmv sends your reg & plates 6-8 wks later.
As being there is no way for the cop to know how long you have been driving without a plate, could have been the reason he pulled you over. As long as you have that temp paperwork on the windshield your legal.

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I've ID'd about half the staff at Rector Audi, and they look like real honest hardworking people.


Your comment made me laugh, not to be a dick, but what do one of those look like?




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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
SharkFM wrote:
However, there is a person of interest, and I am having a hard time getting enough information and photos to rule out 100%.


Care to post a picture or link of this POI.

I understand the zeal to catch the thief, but it's a really, really bad idea to post pictures or give identifying info of people who "sort of look like the guy" in the video.

This is how lynch mobs form, how reputations are wrongly ruined, and worse.




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Yes exactly, thanks for adding that comment.

I think in this type of thing, you work to eliminate possibilities, with the idea it may open up new ones. We have a good profile and through behavioral "patterns" predict movement, locations etc.

Age - mid-late forties?
Receding hair line
Jaw/teeth may not be correct (ie bite/twitch)
Distinctive lower leg/walking & shoes
Fitness/sports
Might have cycling connection
100% at home with Audi/VW
Roof racks
Possible dealer, repair plate/new purchase/car in limbo/transfer
4 door may have family, if car is owned
Lives in area
Is available/off work at 4:30 (who has time for that ?)
Takes risks -- this is broad daylight*
May have been covering a name or logo on breast of shirt
Comfortable with key fob transmitter amplification usage

A guess he has a mild disorder of some type (ie learning, ADD etc.)

Anything else to add?

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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
SharkFM wrote:
However, there is a person of interest, and I am having a hard time getting enough information and photos to rule out 100%.


Care to post a picture or link of this POI.

I am as shocked at you are that the twitch hunt has not caught the thief yet... but I don't want some poor sap who bust his ass 10 hours a day in a garage to be destroyed by the vigilantes on ST if we arent sure it is him.

When we do catch this guy, and it will happen, he'll get what he deserves. Humiliation and jail time.
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AlwaysCurious wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
SharkFM wrote:
However, there is a person of interest, and I am having a hard time getting enough information and photos to rule out 100%.


Care to post a picture or link of this POI.

I understand the zeal to catch the thief, but it's a really, really bad idea to post pictures or give identifying info of people who "sort of look like the guy" in the video.

This is how lynch mobs form, how reputations are wrongly ruined, and worse.

Thank you....finally some sanity.

So someone has nothing better to do than look at Google Earth images and finds another black car with silver roof rack bars....from there, people are looking at images of employees who work at that dealership, and based on looks alone, we have a "person of interest."

Holy hell....it is bad enough that the reputation of a business is potentially being besmirched, but now we are singling out individuals based on how they "look"?

Damn the ramifications.....grab your pitchforks and torches!!

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1st - Prior to this happening I had been away travelling for almost a month. I left for South Africa for a race on January 18th, and from there went to a training camp, returning to my house on February 10th. I then let again on February 14th for some sponsor obligations, returning on the 19th. Many people have suggested that perhaps he was following me or watching me. I suppose this COULD be true, though, having been gone for such an extended period of time, I feel as though it is unlikely. I don't believe I was targeted (I could be wrong) and think it was a random event. From what we can tell, it seems he was going from car to car trying to open other vehicles, and since mine was parked in front of my house, it opened.

My plan is to actually go to the dealership on Monday with a picture of the man, the car and a description of what we believe the car is (that you gentlemen for knowing so much about cars...that is awesome) and asking if they could provide me with any information. Am hoping some charm might get me somewhere. I also thought I could then scout out the lot and see if the car was there (if, in fact, it is owned by an employee).

One question I have....if you look at the video, the rack (to me) seems to be positioned at the FRONT of the vehicle, whereas in the photo at the dealership, the rack seems positioned further back. Any thoughts there? Does that change anyone's opinion that perhaps this is the same vehicle?

I also asked the detective if we could run the vehicle registration search, which to me sounded like a genius idea....i mean really good. He said "do you know how many VW golfs are registered out there?"....he seemed to think that it wouldn't work, but I am going to push him on this again. Because you guys have seemed to narrow down the make, model and year (within a range) I feel like it is a worthwhile task....so I will keep you posted there!

I've also signed up for alerts on Craigslist and ebay. Every Cervelo bike or frame, every Shimano Dura Ace component, and ever PowerTap wheel set that gets listed, I am getting an alter on. I had a 55/42t front chain ring on that bike and ride 165mm cranks, which is VERY Specific and I think not very common. My feeling is even if the bike gets disassembled, and someone tries to sell the front chain ring and cranks, there would be a pretty good likelihood that that is my guy!

That's interesting he was going car to car. How certain are you guys of that? That radically changes the profile of the criminal. If he was going car to car, chances are it was just random he stumbled on yours. From what I've read, criminals use a device that picks up the signal from your key fob (if you're close enough) and then amplifies it in such a way that the car believes your car is nearby.

If he wasn't going car to car, I'd say you were targeted not so much in that he knew you were a triathlete yada yada yada but rather perhaps this individual is a service tech and he just happened to pull your name, address, car, etc. from Audi's system and decided to go after that car (and perhaps others). I'll admit that this is a bit of a long shot.

Regarding the roof rack in the picture, if you look closely at the picture I posted you can tell that the roof rack is toward the front of the roof of that vehicle. It's close to the termination of the windshield. I'm pretty certain the vehicle I highlighted in the satellite photo is either a Golf or an A3.

Keep pushing on the vehicle registration search! The detective is right, there are a TON of VW Golfs registered in the area but considering you have a year range (which is fortuitously narrow!), color.... between those two stats alone I bet you come up with 300-500 vehicles which sounds like a lot but it's really not. If you can cross reference that with a simple license search for males in a certain height and age range 300-500 should become 20-30. Maybe 50.

On a side note, let me know if you stumble across any reasonably priced 29er powertap rears :p
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People like you make me want to move to South America, change my name, get a job on a container ship, and shut down all online accounts of mine.

Really though, if that pans out, holy crap nice job.
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What makes you think you can hide from me in South America? muhahahaha :)
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News report, nice production. Blow-ups of the dude reminds me of that vintage bigfoot clip.

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Well?? What's up? Surely it's Monday, there's gotta be some activity . . .was there a visit to the Audi place?

Waiting for an update. And hopefully an arrest and retrieval of Sarah's stuff!
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Has this been sent to Reddit yet? Those people will find him, go after him, his family, distant family, dig up ancestor graves, etc. granted when they get it wrong it's on a biblical scale (Boston bomber).

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Does look like he's covering his chest at the beginning, but not at 27 seconds ---- video isnt good enough on Youtube to make it out ----- perhaps the original file?

I posted it over to VW vortex a VW forum: http://forums.vwvortex.com/...7273427#post87273427

Also, if he was covering his shirt that might suggest its a work shirt that identifies him in some way ---- any bike shops, car dealerships have a black shirt with light gray piping on the back as a uniform? Looks like a synthetic exercise shirt to me.

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We can tear a lamb to shreds but can't ID a brazen P5 thief in plain day.

I was thinkin' - He might have just targeted residential lane ways in close proximity to houses, just because you need to be within X meters to amp the fob signal and get a good boost.

About the roof racks: Surfing, skis, snowboards. Leaving them on the car means he's using them every week or so.

Schedule: Why way this dude in this location in late afternoon. What put this guy there - commute from A to B?

I am not sure the locations match-up with anyone in the Burlingame area, unless they spent the day surfing for example.

I would stop in and show the photos at the nearby Starbucks (princess and burlingame) with 50 bills in your hand.

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SharkFM wrote:
About the roof racks: Surfing, skis, snowboards. Leaving them on the car means he's using them every week or so.

That, or he's part of the VW subculture that apparently puts racks on their cars just for the "look". Seriously, that's a thing.
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I don't understand why the local cops just don't take the video into this Audi lot and show all the employees the video and ask if they recognize this thief.
Or if I was Sarah I would go in and do a recon mission and check out the staff myself. Also send friends in to sneak a peak.

Plaster his photo all over gas stations, Starbucks, bike shops and offer a reward. With this video someone has to recognize him.
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I can't imagine the cops really give a shit. To them she's someone who makes a living riding a bike, leaves her bike in the car, bike is stolen, she's already been given another bike by her sponsor - so what's the point.

Not that I agree but I'm sure they couldn't care less.
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From the previously posted news story.

Sausalito police Sgt. Bill Frass said....."If there's value, do not leave it in your car, take it with you," Frass said.
Piampiano is grateful her sponsor can provide a new bike, but she knows not everyone is as lucky.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [martind28] [ In reply to ]
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I'm glad that Sarah received a new bike but to me that is not the point. This slime-ball is still roaming the streets with his little device to unlock cars and rob people.
Is that how the police keep people safe? By telling them to not leave valuables in their car?

I leave valuables in my car all the time, including my (much cheaper of course) bike. After a ride I might go into a store or restaurant. Everyone does it. To make the victim feel like they did something wrong is just, well, wrong.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Ty] [ In reply to ]
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Cannot believe this dude has not been caught yet.

If he walked into a bank and stole 15k in cash and all they had was a video... they would have nabbed him already. The quality of this video is even better than what I see in typical bank robbery footage. I really don't understand what the detectives are doing if they don't go to every, 09-11 black VW golf TDI owner within a 200 mile radius and question them all about the suspect.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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There's only the slimmest of chance that the dealership had anything to do with it. The satellite image is too low res to make out the car other than color and roof rack. Possible of course but really how many other such cars are there in SF that we don't know about? We found one of them!

Sure the crook was familiar with the car but professional thieves usually are. They know all the tricks because it isn't their first time doing it. They could have bought a VW remote online. There are all sorts of legally gray-area items that can be bought direct from China. Not just keyfobs but also 2W lasers that can burn through things, GPS spoofers, cell phone jammers, radar jammers, all available with free shipping from China, and all cheap. A high end car thief would be stupid NOT to get a remote in this day and age. Why break glass when they can unlock a car from afar, walk right up and open the door. To a passer by that'd look like the owner getting into the car.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [martind28] [ In reply to ]
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Sausalito is a bike heavy town (although a fair amount of riders are tourists on rentals). There isn't much else going on here so it should be something the police take seriously or at least make a priority. Especially with the video quality.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [cstoulil] [ In reply to ]
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cstoulil wrote:

I'm not familiar with Audi's but I have reprogrammed many factory unlock features on my Chevy's over the years, and programmed my after market alarm system's to do certain things like roll up windows etc. so I don't think its too far out of line to think people re-program things to be set up how they want them. Again not an Audi owner so I don't know how hard it is with them, but other brands it doesn't take long, you just have to read the manual or look online and follow a certain order of button pushes with a key in the ignition to do so. But then again I am a car guy and that crazy.

Only way to reprogram stuff like that on a VW/Audi is the dealer tool or VCDS, former VW and Audi certified tech and I talk to a buddy that works for Ross-tech (makes vcds) all day long.

Just asked, said he is not aware of a way to code out the auto relock if you don't open the door in X time on the Q5.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [jeremyb] [ In reply to ]
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I posted it over to VW vortex a VW forum: http://forums.vwvortex.com/...7273427#post87273427

IV is 4

this is a 6 VI.. and I posted there last week no one seems to care.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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About the roof racks: Surfing, skis, snowboards. Leaving them on the car means he's using them every week or so.

no it is a "scene" thing and considered attractive to have a rack on the car even if never used at all.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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mrtopher1980 wrote:
jeremyb wrote:

I posted it over to VW vortex a VW forum: http://forums.vwvortex.com/...7273427#post87273427


IV is 4

this is a 6 VI.. and I posted there last week no one seems to care.

if this guy is a regular in that scene, they won't care at all and aren't going to tell you squat.
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if this guy is a regular in that scene, they won't care at all and aren't going to tell you squat.

I disagree, especially something like this. Their hunts for people (over in the car lounge section) fall closer to 4chan and make a twitchhunt look like figuring out who pooped in the corner at a nursery school.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Ty] [ In reply to ]
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No that is 1 of the ways they try to help people not be victims. There cant be a cop at everyones house to to watch over them 24/7. At some point you, yes you, need to take responsibility for your own actions. I know its terrible, but I also imagine you would b*tch and moan if there actually was a cop just watching over you all the time. I feel bad for anyone who gets stuff stolen and would love to live in a society where i can leave my house, car etc... unlocked and open, but we don't. Common sense should tell you not to leave something valuable inside your car as it may get stolen. Hell your whole car may get stolen. This is the case no matter where you live. Rich neighborhood or poor, "people" (notice the quotes) will steal anything. As for the work the detective / pd has done, I would be willing to bet it is more than most cases get. I imagine like every other PD around they are doing what they can with very little resources. THe detective probably has several other open cases with leads he / she needs to work on, and just becuase Sarah is somewhat famous does not mean she jumps to the front of the line. If your stuff was stolen, your house was broken into etc, would you feel it was fair that the detective put you on the back burner so he / she could work on this simply because the other person is more famous than you? It sounds like they are doing what they can. It's great that this forum is trying to help get her bike back but just because some of you have the time to twitch hunt does not mean the police do. I wish her the best of luck in getting the stuff back and I hope the guy gets what he deserves but glass half empty here, it is highly unlikely.
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Hey Thomas - thanks...And yeh - My specific street is a one way, so there is no possibility he went the other direction. And with the placement of the camera, there isn't really a way to capture the rear plate. That is why I'm trying to find other cameras that may have been positioned differently. Thank you again!


There must be other cameras somewhere in your surrounding area, either street cams, business security cams, residential cameras, etc.

Think about not only where he was likely going when he left, but what was the likely path he took to get to your condo in the first place.


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Spiampiano wrote:
Hey Thomas - thanks...And yeh - My specific street is a one way, so there is no possibility he went the other direction. And with the placement of the camera, there isn't really a way to capture the rear plate. That is why I'm trying to find other cameras that may have been positioned differently. Thank you again!


There must be other cameras somewhere in your surrounding area, either street cams, business security cams, residential cameras, etc.

Think about not only where he was likely going when he left, but what was the likely path he took to get to your condo in the first place.


So it looks like you have to register your security cam with the sausalito PD ---- so they DO have a list of who has cams set up. Can you get that list?

http://www.ci.sausalito.ca.us/...spx?documentid=15425

http://ci.sausalito.ca.us/index.aspx?page=2088





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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [jeremyb] [ In reply to ]
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There might not be a rear plate on the car, and the reason for the "paperwork" on the dash.

The guy's shoes are weird they look like some sort of martial arts training shoe - thin flat sole. Pretty sure he's wearing an Under-Armour shirt as well.

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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hey All!

Quick update from my end and a few advancements here!

1. I spoke with the detective today assigned to my case and he is arranging to have my car taken in to Audi where they are going to pull the memory from my car during the 15-20 minute period around the theft. They think the thief may have used some sort of specific app, and if he did, they can trace that back t his cell hone, get his number and then identify who he is. FINGERS CROSSED!

2. One of the things stolen from my bag was something called an "intelliskin". I had just received it from the company founder when I was down in LA. I've thought that because of the new/press that perhaps my bike and/or components wouldn't be listed yet, but the intelliskin is expensive and is an pretty random thing. I checked on ebay and found someone in Oakland selling a "women's small, brand new, in package, without tags". When I checked, the ebay seller also had a ton of random other things for sale....like sunglasses, and a go pro, etc etc...I sent this off to the police to look into....if they can indentify who the seller is and cross check that with the DMV, it may be the person

3. I got a call today from VW/Audi and they have hired their own private investigator on the case! I think they are getting so much bad PR for this, they are wanting to get this sorted...so I am meeting with him later this week!

4. The police still haven't received the records/videos from the golden gate bridge authority, so we haven't been able to check that potential lead yet.

That is all from my end..Thanks again for all the support.. Stay tuned

Sarah-
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Wow, great to hear some excellent news.
And clever move on the ebay search. You've probably thought of it, but of course look for anything else for sale on ebay that is distinctive and/or unusual that was stolen from your bag/car.

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Spiampiano wrote:
hey All!

Quick update from my end and a few advancements here!

1. I spoke with the detective today assigned to my case and he is arranging to have my car taken in to Audi where they are going to pull the memory from my car during the 15-20 minute period around the theft. They think the thief may have used some sort of specific app, and if he did, they can trace that back t his cell hone, get his number and then identify who he is. FINGERS CROSSED!

2. One of the things stolen from my bag was something called an "intelliskin". I had just received it from the company founder when I was down in LA. I've thought that because of the new/press that perhaps my bike and/or components wouldn't be listed yet, but the intelliskin is expensive and is an pretty random thing. I checked on ebay and found someone in Oakland selling a "women's small, brand new, in package, without tags". When I checked, the ebay seller also had a ton of random other things for sale....like sunglasses, and a go pro, etc etc...I sent this off to the police to look into....if they can indentify who the seller is and cross check that with the DMV, it may be the person

3. I got a call today from VW/Audi and they have hired their own private investigator on the case! I think they are getting so much bad PR for this, they are wanting to get this sorted...so I am meeting with him later this week!

4. The police still haven't received the records/videos from the golden gate bridge authority, so we haven't been able to check that potential lead yet.

That is all from my end..Thanks again for all the support.. Stay tuned

Sarah-


So fishy it almost has to be your guy. They have a ton of radar detectors that have been sold used as well. I wouldn't bother with the police and dealing with eBay. Someone needs to buy and item, and then immediately "request personal information". There is a chance the info could be fake but probably not.


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Now this is more like it! This sounds promising. At least they are doing something. It seems like they are invested in getting to the bottom of this now!
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all the makings of a good witchhunt below:

Spiampiano wrote:

1. detective memory app cell phone identify!

2. "intelliskin" identify cross check DMV!

3. VW/Audi private investigator bad PR!

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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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I have to ask. What is itelliskin?
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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WelshinPhilly wrote:
SharkFM wrote:

About the roof racks: Surfing, skis, snowboards. Leaving them on the car means he's using them every week or so.


That, or he's part of the VW subculture that apparently puts racks on their cars just for the "look". Seriously, that's a thing.

THAT or he's just to lazy to remove them. Mine stay on my car and don't get used every week. Also not part of some subculture, but then again don't drive a VW so maybe I'm missing out?
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Any update, 2 weeks later?
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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Any update, 2 weeks later?

That guy on eBay was without a doubt IMO the person who stole the bike. If it was me I just would have purchased any item he was selling then request his contact information. The guy was selling a ton of stuff like radar detectors that were probably stolen right out of cars as well. You can do the info request easily thru eBay - not sure how that affects the legal process at all, regardless, I never mentioned that on here. It seemed like STers are more interested in a good ol' twitch hunt when they are hunting one of their own rather than a twitch hunt where someone else is affected by a stranger.


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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I think the fact that she's already got a new bike from her sponsors somewhat diminishes the motivation/sympathy as well.

Don't get me wrong, I've been robbed a couple of times and the sense of invasion and injustice is quite unpleasant and lingers much longer, but at the end of the day she's back up and running and has probably largely moved on from it herself.
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [aw3] [ In reply to ]
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Might be a little bit of that but I'm not sure too many people knew she had a knew bike and on exactly at what terms. Regardless, bike thieves sucks, it is why I have a piece of junk commuter that nobody would wants to steal.


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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Might be a little bit of that but I'm not sure too many people knew she had a knew bike and on exactly at what terms. Regardless, bike thieves sucks, it is why I have a piece of junk commuter that nobody would wants to steal.
Yes. I didn't realize at first that she received a new bike. That does take some of the sting out of it. But if it was me I would still want this creep off the roads (and prosecuted). In fact I'm clear across the country and I want him off the streets!

Just the nerve of this guy who casually does this.

Any updates btw?
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now hes selling a medium Shiv.

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now hes selling a medium Shiv.
Who's he? Do you have a link?
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Trirunner wrote:
Any update, 2 weeks later?


That guy on eBay was without a doubt IMO the person who stole the bike. If it was me I just would have purchased any item he was selling then request his contact information. The guy was selling a ton of stuff like radar detectors that were probably stolen right out of cars as well. You can do the info request easily thru eBay - not sure how that affects the legal process at all, regardless, I never mentioned that on here. It seemed like STers are more interested in a good ol' twitch hunt when they are hunting one of their own rather than a twitch hunt where someone else is affected by a stranger.


Maybe. But to me it looks like he is a not too smart opportunist and certainly not a ninja high tech thief.

So many people do not lock their cars, so it is easy picking....especially in well-off neighborhoods in the Bay area.
Advantage for them is that these owners are normally insured or can write it off, so they won't come after thieves with a vengeance.
And law enforcement is mostly fine with that, as it is less hassle and they can spend their time more useful to them (my own experience with forced entry into my own car).
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Re: Come'on ST Sleuths, Find Sarah Piampiano's Bike [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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And the suspicious user is from Oakland, CA.

Selling a shiv, intelliskin, and tons of random stuff that I can't imagine how somebody would acquire.


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lschmidt wrote:
And the suspicious user is from Oakland, CA.

Selling a shiv, intelliskin, and tons of random stuff that I can't imagine how somebody would acquire.


Like I mentioned, I would be shocked if that wasn't the guy. However it would be sad I guess if nothing could be done about it.


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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
lschmidt wrote:
And the suspicious user is from Oakland, CA.

Selling a shiv, intelliskin, and tons of random stuff that I can't imagine how somebody would acquire.


Like I mentioned, it would be shocked if that wasn't the guy. However it would be sad I guess if nothing could be done about it.

Does Specialized stamp a serial number to each frame's bottom bracket? If so we could ask the seller for the bottom bracket number and if its a match report it to eBay?
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Yes I am sure they stamp a serial number but I am sure the guy would just lie or something. Regardless, this guy has a pretty rare item that was stolen from Sarah's possession, he is selling a boat load of stuff that you would think would all be stolen from cars and garage including numerous used radar detectors. I am not sure what is necessary for warrant etc thru probable cause, but it seems if the police would have enough to bust this guy for Sarah's and another 50 heists.


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I know ebay launches their own fraud investigations separate from law enforcement. IE with their own investigators.

If you have a good reasoning for thinking a user is selling stolen goods, ebay WILL look into it. They take it very seriously.

Paypal (owned by ebay) is also notorious for "freezing funds first and ask questions later".


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And since Sarah reported this find of what's most likely her stuff to the police, they're hopefully doing their jobs of tracking this guy down instead of eating donuts.

I must say, it's rather sloppy on his part to post all of the items he steals under one account.
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lschmidt wrote:
I know ebay launches their own fraud investigations separate from law enforcement. IE with their own investigators.

If you have a good reasoning for thinking a user is selling stolen goods, ebay WILL look into it. They take it very seriously.

Paypal (owned by ebay) is also notorious for "freezing funds first and ask questions later".

Can't imagine a more suspicious looking group of items for auction. Sure hope they do something.
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