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As I understand it, it not only measures the flywheel speed, but also the ambient temperature and humidity (along with the user entered altitude) to calculate the air density. After that, since they would know pretty well the drag properties of the fan, it would be fairly simple math to calculate the power.
So yeah...I guess that's ALL it does ;-)
BTW, I'm pretty sure it also records the data and allows you to download it as well.
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Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com
I realize this misses the refinement of air pressure adjustments, but I could live without that if it saved me $250.
That's inline with what I'm hearing as well.
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For those of us with crank based PM's, a speed transmitter. Wouldn't have to be accurate - just send a number so my Joule will record. Or, I guess I could dig up my HR strap from a dark corner of my gear locker where it's been for a couple of years now.
For those of us with crank based PM's, a speed transmitter. Wouldn't have to be accurate - just send a number so my Joule will record. Or, I guess I could dig up my HR strap from a dark corner of my gear locker where it's been for a couple of years now.
Of if you really really really want to go cheap you could get an old speed pickup from a wired bike computer, splice a miniplug on the end, and stick it into the microphone jack of a scrounged up digital recorder. Then you'd have to write a little bit of code to calculate the time interval between the blips, convert that into speed, and from there to power.
http://lemondrevolution.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/finally/
Many of you have been patiently waiting for this announcement, and we are finally able to make it:
The Power Pilot has arrived.
We are currently in the process of receiving our first production run of the Power Pilot, and we will be shipping units to customers starting Monday, 3.7.11
Our immediate priority is to begin shipment of existing pre-orders, and these will be fulfilled in the order in which they were received: the first people to pre-order the units will be the first to get them.
The supply of Power Pilots is – initially – going to be very limited. We are working to assemble a shipping timeline so that we can accurately inform customers as to when they can expect to receive their orders. We do not have this information yet. When we are able to provide ship dates, we will announce it on our Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/lemondfitness
Thank you for your continued interest in the Power Pilot project. We’re incredibly proud of the (finally!) finished product. Thank you for giving us the time to get this done right.
It was worth it.
I placed my pre-order the day I got the e-mail from them about doing so. I had to be among the very first. I've not seen my Power Pilot yet. Getting pretty fed up about it, too. Of course, indoor riding season has been over for about a month where I am, so it doesn't really matter much now. It's just the principle of the thing.
Hi Bob,
Why don't I just re-print the response to your question on FaceBook here?
The simple answer (which also happens to be the truth,) is that your number just hasn't come up yet.
We're shipping Power Pilots out to customers in the same sequence as orders were received, and we're sending out shipping notices when orders are processed. If you haven't heard anything, it's because your order hasn't been processed, and you haven't come to the front of the queue yet.
Nobody here is particularly happy with the fact that we can't do any better on delivery timelines than to send a notice when the order is processed. We're totally beholden to the info we get from our suppliers, and they're doing exactly the same thing to us, IE, giving us info *as* they ship, with no future timelines available.
This *will* change, we're promised, but for now, we're simply stuck with very little info to pass on.
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I would appreciate if you could tell us where you heard that. It's completely untrue, and it would be nice to track down the source of the rumor.
There aren't *any* pro teams that are "getting" Power Pilots at this point, and the only pro athlete that has been given a Power Pilot is Simon Whitfield, who joined our testing and evaluation team for the Power Pilot project after being one of the first to purchase a Revolution.
There are definitely "Pro" athletes who have been asking me how they can get Power Pilots, and the answer to all of them has been a simple one: they need to get on line with everyone else.
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Bob, you're in the top 10 on the queue. We have another shipment of PPs coming in tomorrow, you should be receiving a shipping notice via email in the next 48 hours.
This in no way contradicts earlier info in regard to shipping timelines: we're letting people know what we can, when we can.
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I would like to use the LeMond with the SRM on my bike.
My problem is that the wheel magnet SRM sensor is at the full length of the wires (and mounted on the rear chainstay) and is about 5 inches short of the outer circumference of the flywheel.
I have thought about putting a VERY powerful magnet on the flywheel but 5" is a long distance to sense.
I am looking for a simple fix - rather than something like a painted white spot on the flywheel - sensed by a photo electric cell - generating a current to a coil on the chain stay mounted SRM sensor.
Perhaps a way to conduct the magnetic field of the flywheel magnet along an iron rod extension to the SRM sensor?
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Neal
Cheers, Neal
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When I'm using the SRM on the Revolution, I simply forego speed data, and manually start the session by pressing the "mode" switch. You *could* rig up a transducer of some sort to remotely trigger the SRM speed sensor, but wow... do you really need (pseudo) speed data that badly?
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As I understand it, it not only measures the flywheel speed, but also the ambient temperature and humidity (along with the user entered altitude) to calculate the air density. After that, since they would know pretty well the drag properties of the fan, it would be fairly simple math to calculate the power.
That's quite an interesting concept, actually. It would certainly help keep power readings consistent.
AndyF
bike geek
"Wait.....and Hope" -Edmond Dantes
Thanks for the tip.
I did not realize I could start my SRM manually - I thought I needed the speed input to make the SRM start.
The main thing I want is watts.
That would solve my problem. Yahooooo!
I am going to test it first and then place my order for the LeMond.
I know - Read The Manual - do not assume.
From SRM V Manual:
Turning the PowerControl on and off
The PowerControl turns on when:
You press the “Mode” button
The wheel speed sensor is activated by the wheel magnet passing by the sensor (i.e.
when the wheel spins, so anytime the bike is moving)
You connect the battery charger
You connect the download cable to the PowerControl and your computer, and communication between the two begins (this only works if the serial port runs with enough current, otherwise you need to press the “Mode” button) Even if the PowerControl is on, it doesn’t receive any power data through the sensor cable until the PowerMeter is turned on. This happens when you start pedalling, (backwards or forwards). The PowerControl turns itself off when it hasn’t received any data for a 20 seconds. It stays on when the battery is charging. The PC-V display shows the time and date when it is in stand-by mode, if the screen is blank then the battery is completely dead. The PC-IV display turns off completely when the PowerControl
isn’t being used.
Cheers,
Neal
"Wait.....and Hope" -Edmond Dantes
So you are forced to mount the cadence sensor on your bike even if you don't want cadence or else no power reading?
Yep, that's true and ridiculous. If the head unit can't detect one or more of the sensors, the unit locks up with a PAIR screen and is useless. I spoke with the head of development at LeMond though and they are going to fix that in the next firmware release. The head unit is paired with all sensors at the factory so manual pairing should never be necessary. Mine however was never paired with the cadence sensor and I spent HOURS trying to get off the PAIR screen before calling support. Their support team is excellent though, I just had some bad luck.
file and Lemond folks do not seem to understand problem when I called
Sure... you could get quite a good estimate if you calibrate it and adjust for air density.
I'm going to try and respond to as many of the questions and comments as I can in this post, and I will follow up as I can throughout the day. I'm actually on vacation right now, and I just sent the family off to do their thing while I sit on the computer... they won't let me get away with that all day :0)
- downloading issues -
Training Peaks ( http://home.trainingpeaks.com/ ) will feature support for the Power Pilot in the next rev. of their Device Agent program. It is due out this week (they are telling me today or tomorrow.) Look for an announcement on their site, and I will post something up on this thread when it's available if someone doesn't beat me to it.
- Mac compatibility -
The Mac version of Device Agent combined with Golden Cheetah should provide all the functionalities desired by most people. Again, look for the next Rev. of Device Agent, coming very soon.
- combined speed/cadence sensor compatibility
Unfortunately, supporting this type of sensor with the Power Pilot is a significantly non-trivial effort.
The ANT+ combined speed/cadence sensors do not send out separate speed and cadence signals as provided by stand alone speed and cadence sensors, they send out a distinct speed/cadence stream, with both types of data combined. In order to use these sensors with the Power Pilot, we need to add capacity to detect and pair with an entirely different type of sensor, separate out the data needed, ignore the data not needed, maintain the dedicated "speed" stream (which we're using for the drive-wheel sensor,) Etc. Including this functionality is a much more difficult task than it appears at first glance, and there was simply no way we could include it in this version of the product.
- WTF? The unit won't work without a cadence sensor?
Having cadence data allows us to use it as a variable in wattage calculations, and do interesting things with those calculations. We aren't currently using this data this way, but requiring a cadence stream for the unit to function allows us to utilize this type of functionality in future firmware revs without the necessity of explaining the need for a cadence sensor that wasn't used earlier, and may have been lost, broken, disappeared, whatever. We may well go the other way, and remove the requirement for the sensor in the next rev of the firmware, but we felt it was better to do it this way to begin with, rather than face the prospect of future firmware revs requiring the use of hardware that people hadn't been using previously.
- The unit "locks up" if there is no cadence device present.
You will need to pair to both a cadence sensor and a Drive wheel sensor to exit the "pairing" screen/mode on the Power Pilot. It looks/feels like the unit is locking, but it just won't let you leave pair mode until you pair. This prevents you from *not* pairing, exiting the pair mode, and trying to operate a unit that is un-paired and thus will not function. As mentioned on the thread, all units are paired (or *supposed* to be paired) at the factory, and you should not need to worry about this unless you are trying to pair to, for eg, a pre-existing cadence sensor (which, again, must not be a combined speed/cadence sensor.)
Any other questions/comments?
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file and Lemond folks do not seem to understand problem when I called
Right, you can't pair it with another ANT+ head unit like the Garmin Edge 500. Supposedly, TrainingPeaks is supposed to accept the .csv file the PowerPilot produces but I have not been able to get that to work (WKO+ doesn't work either though it tells you the file headers are incorrect). I've opened a support case with TrainingPeaks and will report back what I find.
That should solve that problem at least.
that the Power Pilot sends out an ANT+ signal for third party CPUs to read?
"But you can not pair it with a third party CPU like Garmin 500 right?"
You can link the Power Pilot to many Garmin devices that support the "fitness device" capability. Ray did a nice write-up on this utility here -
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/09/brief-tour-of-ant-enabled-fitnessgym.html
"does anybody have any clue how to download a file to Training Peaks WKO+ or website?"
Please see above post for answer.
"Lemond folks do not seem to understand problem when I called "
My apologies for that, my guess is there was some misunderstanding. Can you please PM me & let me know who you talked to so that I can follow up & make sure they are up to date?
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*update* new version of device agent with power pilot support is available and my first workout just uploaded fine
one other question. How do we go about creating workouts and uploading them to the power pilot (the manual tells you how to upload, but not how to create workouts)?
thanks again
You're welcome (and thanks!)
Creating workouts is - honestly - something that I, personally, have barely started playing with. We're working with the folks at Peaks Coaching group to flesh out the implementation of the uploadable workout feature, and we - and they - will be offering training program content designed for the Pilot in the near future.
We will be posting "how-to's" and updated manual content on our blog to support this feature and others, stay tuned to our Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/lemondfitness for details. We will post there as new info becomes available.
The Power Pilot is capable of being much more than *just* a power meter, and we're working to support and develop these capabilities, but we don't have support materials for everything it does - and can do in the future - available yet.
To be brutally frank, the product as released does much more than the "just a power meter" product we originally planned for, and there was no way we could produce supporting documentation for these advanced features and still get the product to market in the timeline we had promised. We made the decision to release the product with documentation for the basic featureset, and follow up with advanced feature documentation online.
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"No guidelines" would be exactly the correct way to summarize it. The capability is there, we just don't have the explanatory materials currently available to show users how to do it. It's at (or near...) the top of the list of "things we need to do next," but it just wasn't possible to get this "toolkit" done and available in time for release. Rather than delay release of the product to support a feature that wasn't an integral part of the unit's core functionality, we decided to delay the documentation process, do it right, *and* get the product in people's hands as quickly as we could.
These kind of choices are tough to make, but they're necessary sometimes, and we hope that by being completely transparent with the where/when/how behind them we can make it clear why we have (and will continue) to make them in an effort to bring the best possible products to market in as timely a manner as is possible.
We will have this info up and available as soon as we can, and I will post links to it as and when it comes on line.
Sincere apologies for the hassle, and I hope this all makes sense...
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I followed the instructions and for a brief second or two, I saw some cadence being displayed. Since then cadence always reads zero, but there is power, hr, etc. I was able to save to usb and the file confirms (zero's for cadence, numbers for watts).
I think I can actually take the cadence sensor off now... interesting.
Couple of other observations:
* HR monitoring range is exactly 3.3 feet. I know this because if I sit up to take a drink and it is 3.4 feet, no more readings...
* It seems you actually have to hit start to get power readings. So you can't just spin for a couple of minutes and then hit go to record your workout session. If you did that you would get zeros and the unit would shut off.
"Wait.....and Hope" -Edmond Dantes
You need to *pair* to a cadence sensor for the unit to function. Once that happens, you don't need the cadence sensor for the wattage function to be operational as the current version of the firmware isn't using cadence as part of the wattage calculations.
Yup. That is true.
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Definitely, positively, please feel free to give us feedback on how the units are working for ya'all when you get some time in on them. We welcome feedback on our Facebook page at - http://www.facebook.com/lemondfitness
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Really appreciate you coming on here and representing.
- the included HR strap doesn't have tremendous range - about 3 feet, as mentioned in a previous post. This is designed in to the "5k" transmission straps, to prevent cross-talk with other nearby users. We will have an upgrade ANT+ HR strap available for purchase soon, or you can purchase one of the other commercially available ones from a vendor like Garmin, Bontrager, etc. Honestly, though, it doesn't sound like this is your problem; it sounds like the electrodes are losing contact with your skin when you are in riding position. I would suggest that you try tightening the strap, wetting the contacts on the strap, or using electrode cream (like -http://www.amazon.com/...ctrode/dp/B000HZD2NU) to try and increase contact.
- make sure you press and hold HR/kCal to get out of SYS mode. If you just wait for the unit to time out, it will not save all your changes.
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Yup. I work for LeMond Fitness.
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Tech writer/support on this here site. FIST school instructor and certified bike fitter. Formerly at Diamondback Bikes, LeMond Fitness, FSA, TiCycles, etc.
Coaching and bike fit - http://source-e.net/ Cyclocross blog - https://crosssports.net/ BJJ instruction - https://ballardbjj.com/
Here's what I know so far.....
The Garmin can see it's own HR strap and foot pod, but nothing from PP
The PP can see it's own devices (HR/Power/Speed/Cadence)
Anyone have a step by step on this?
Here's what our director of engineering has to say on the topic:
No step by step written on this…I put it on hold until the Garmin bug was fixed.
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also...any news on how to upload those workouts...waiting (somewhat) patiently
That's really more a question for someone from Garmin than for me, but we do talk to them, and I will see what I can find out.
It's on our list of things to do, but we're a *very* small company with a *very* large list :0). We're working on it...
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First, the workout files that run on the PP are "FIT", this is an ANT file sharing protocol...."Flexible and Interoperable Data Transfer Protocol – Called “FIT” for short is an interoperable binary data transfer protocol designed to be compact and extensible". I'm a novice ANT+ developer thus I have access to development tools and additional data.
Basically....There is a FIT File for HR, Watts, Cadence, RPM, Speed, etc and each has a specific format. You write the raw file in a .csv format then there is a conversion tool that rewrites it into a FIT file.....There is a Software Development KIt that is available at ANT to write FIT files but you should be a fairly decent programmer as the core files are in C/C++/Java. Unfortunately to get access to this Development KIt will cost you a grand and at present I have not seen any means to elegantly create a FIT file without writing software.
I'm thinking that there has to be a simple way as I'm sure that ANT did not write all of the FIT files that are out there being sold for training purposes and I might guess that those that came preloaded on the PP where created in Canada.
I'm going to see if I can come up with a utility that will enable the average "Joe" to write their own files and I'll post a response in a week.
Lemond Fitness is being very honest when they state that this device has "capabilities that excede what they are able to put in a users manual at present" . Definitely the FIT functionality is the latest and greatest from ANT and is currently being supported on a number of smart phones that are ANT+ compatible or use a WII chip.
Couple comments for Lemond Fitness as I just took delivery of a PP and Revolution for Fathers Day.
1)Increase the accuracy of the watt meter by inserting a permissive string in the firmware that prevents Watts from being calculated when the crank is not being turned.
2) It would be nice if you could keep the backlite lit even at the expense of the batteries maybe by mashing the button twice in quick succession. Typically while training, inside lighting is less than minimal and the backlite being able to be selected on would be a nice feature.
3)I think that the technology is brilliant and simplistic.....In essence a human dynamometer......., you know the weight of the flywheel, Its diameter, how fast its spinning, how fast your pedalling...you can interpolate alot of data from this for sure.
4)My major frustration was waiting for firmware timeouts when something wasn't completed properly or is seemed like the unit got hung up. There should be some way of escaping/aborting from the configuration screens.
Excellent product that will mature and be a de facto training companion !
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Thanks for some assistance with that.
Nope, you didn't miss it. pending a website revision, we don't have the manual up on line. There's a hard copy included with the unit, but if you need an electronic copy, PM me your email address and I will send you one.
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Here's what our director of engineering has to say on the topic:
No step by step written on this…I put it on hold until the Garmin bug was fixed.
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Is there an update on this now that it's August? I
Here's a video (albeit Blair-Witchy) that demonstrates my problem:
http://www.flickr.com/...dell4life/6178908017
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I would love to be able to respond to your issue, but honestly, I have absolutely no idea what it is from watching that vid.
Please feel free to drop me a PM & I will follow up with you directly to troubleshoot your issue (not sure we can help with demonic possession, though...)
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I would love to be able to respond to your issue, but honestly, I have absolutely no idea what it is from watching that vid.
Please feel free to drop me a PM & I will follow up with you directly to troubleshoot your issue (not sure we can help with demonic possession, though...)
At 1hr of riding the distance is 16.6 miles and the avg speed is reported to be 17.6 mph. This is consistently and repeatably incorrect.
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Ok, that is strange.
By "...consistently and repeatably incorrect" you mean this is how the unit always reads?
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Thanks for the heads up, haven't seen/heard about this before.
Please drop me a PM with your contact info, and I will get in touch with you. We definitely want to get this sorted out...
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Thanks for letting me/us know!
We have identified the problem, and it's been fixed in a firmware update. We're looking to get the update out to folks as quickly as possible, and I will post up here as soon as we have it & the necessary documentation up online so that you can get it.
We're a very small company, and we just got back from Interbike & have Kona next week, so please bear with us as we work to get the update out to you...
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Coaching and bike fit - http://source-e.net/ Cyclocross blog - https://crosssports.net/ BJJ instruction - https://ballardbjj.com/
Also, does anyone else have the problem that when you really start cranking, or when you get out of the saddle, the chain begins to slip off the cassette in the back. Everything is fine, but when I put it in the large ring in the front and the 13-15 in the back, the cassette really starts to slip. I have put on a new chain, changed up the cassettes, adjusted the derailleurs, and adjusted the rear dropouts and the skewer, and it still slips. My local bike store told me that this is just going to happen when you have a bike thats rear end is fixed, and you start torquing and twisting the frame by pedaling hard. Is this the case???
"Wait.....and Hope" -Edmond Dantes
As per response above, we're working on the distribution for this, will post to this thread when it's available.
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Coaching and bike fit - http://source-e.net/ Cyclocross blog - https://crosssports.net/ BJJ instruction - https://ballardbjj.com/
It's not a compatibility issue, but I can't tell you what it *is* without more info. Please drop me a PM and I will get in touch with you to get more info...
"Also, does anyone else have the problem that when you really start cranking, or when you get out of the saddle, the chain begins to slip off the cassette in the back. Everything is fine, but when I put it in the large ring in the front and the 13-15 in the back, the cassette really starts to slip. I have put on a new chain, changed up the cassettes, adjusted the derailleurs, and adjusted the rear dropouts and the skewer, and it still slips. My local bike store told me that this is just going to happen when you have a bike thats rear end is fixed, and you start torquing and twisting the frame by pedaling hard. Is this the case???"
It's definitely *not* the case.
We had over 300 people ride over 1000 watts on the Revolution at Interbike during our max wattage competition, and never saw anything remotely like what you're describing.
What, exactly, do you mean when you write "...the cassette really starts to slip."
Is the cassette body & cassette moving independently of the drive wheel of the Revolution, slipping internally like a blown clutch, or is the chain slipping off the cassette?
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thanks for the heads up on the issue, I am forwarding this on to our engineers, and we will follow up to see if we can figure out what's going on. Please PM me with your contact info if you don't mind...
"..Also, noticed that the Power Pilot shuts off at the 2:00 hour mark. "
Fixed in the new firmware update, please see above. I will post up directions on how to get this as soon as I can.
(...and this drove me, personally, crazy so I kicked on doors until we raised the recording interval limit. It's something like 6 hours now...)
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The HR strap that is included with the Power Pilot is not an ANT+ unit, so this is to be expected (it *will* work with an uncoded Polar device, however...)
"Conversely I cannot pair my Garmin heart rate strap with the Power Pilot."
This is not a problem that I have heard of or experienced personally. If you haven't tried following the pairing procedure outlined in the manual, please do so. If you have, please feel free to contact us and we will try to find a fix for you - http://www.lemondfitness.com/support
"Looking forward to the average speed/ distance discrepancy fix."
We're working on getting the fix out to people. This will be one of my main priorities when I get back from Kona.
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That sounds like a bad speed sensor.
Please contact us at -http://www.lemondfitness.com/contact so that we can troubleshoot and (probably) get you a replacement speed sensor.
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"Conversely I cannot pair my Garmin heart rate strap with the Power Pilot."
This is not a problem that I have heard of or experienced personally. If you haven't tried following the pairing procedure outlined in the manual, please do so. If you have, please feel free to contact us and we will try to find a fix for you - http://www.lemondfitness.com/support
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I use a Garmin HR strap. The Power Pilot is mounted on the front wheel. In order to get the Power Pilot to pick up the signal from the strap I have to get off the bike and crouch down so that the strap is within about 1 foot of the Power Pilot, and hold that courch for 5+ seconds. It does NOT pick up the signal if I am sitting on the bike. Once the Power Pilot has the signal it holds it just fine, whether I am in the aero position or sitting up.
It's a minor PITA but not fatal.
HOWEVER, the inability to do the spindown calibration (in the firmware update?) is really a problem as my unit calculates wattages that are over 8% too high. I cannot intermingle the Lemond Files with PowerTap files in WKO+ as that would mangle important metrics such as TSS, which in turn distorts the Performance Manager.
We need that firmware update! Could you just email it out?
I do love the trainer.
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A couple of days ago I tried to delete some stored workouts prior to downloading the rest to a memorystick. When I got to the Data Display mode but nothing was showing up - all the values were set at 0 apart from the Watt reading in the top right of the centre square which was reading 01.
I tried to download all the data to a memorystick but got a 'fail' message. I did a reset to factory settings but still have the same problems. I've stored workouts but they don;t show up in the Data Display mode. Any ideas?
Also, couldn't get it to pair to a Garmin 705, is this possible? If not, will an FR60 work?
Thanks
A couple of days ago I tried to delete some stored workouts prior to downloading the rest to a memorystick. When I got to the Data Display mode but nothing was showing up - all the values were set at 0 apart from the Watt reading in the top right of the centre square which was reading 01.
I tried to download all the data to a memorystick but got a 'fail' message. I did a reset to factory settings but still have the same problems. I've stored workouts but they don;t show up in the Data Display mode. Any ideas?
Also, couldn't get it to pair to a Garmin 705, is this possible? If not, will an FR60 work?
Thanks
I have had two episodes where all data was lost, reported this to Lemond fitness last week. I'm not sure this is the cause, but to delete all data is almost the same process as saving all data except an extra push of the up button. I wonder if I could have inadvertently hit the up button while saving and not noticed. Both times were after a 5am interval session so I could have made a mistake. Seems strange to me to require a USB stick to be in place to delete all data, and use the HR/kCal button instead of CLR.
Am I the only one who thinks the data storage is crazy slow? Tonight it took over 25 minutes to store 4 rides, all 1 hour or less duration.
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I have a really dumb question : Is there a lap button? My winter "don't go insane" plan revolves around not having to concentrate too hard, so my chosen sessions I really need to see Power - Lap Average. I'm used to an ergometer where I could set the power (Tacx).
Alternatively, will the PP send data in real-time to a Garmin 705? Or even an 800 (I could be persuaded to upgrade).
Thanks,
Paul
The power pilot is bad very because is not compatibile with other ant+ devices such as garmin sensors. There isn't lap button and is not compatibile with goldencheetah.
Power pilot is compatible with the ant+ keys? I would like to use trainerroad.com to avoid power pilot.
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sweet, now just add mac support :)
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Can I use the cadence sensor (ANT+) with anything other than the Power Pilot? I cannot seem to get my 310XT to see it. Would really like to have cadence info when riding outside.
ftp://files.lemondfitness.com/...dfitness/PowerPilot/
ftp://files.lemondfitness.com/...dfitness/PowerPilot/
I should have noticed. Thanks
Sorry for the delayed response, was out of town...
As has been posted already, that link is incorrect; Facebook did as Facebook is want to do, and somehow messed with the formatting of the link after it had been working fine for a day. We appended the correct link to the FB page as soon as we were made aware of the issue, and it's the same as already posted on this thread.
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The cadence unit included with the Power Pilot is a generic ANT+ device, and should work with your 310XT. Try dropping our customer service department a line on Monday, and we can try to work through the problem with you...
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Thanks for following up though.
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Take a look..... http://connect.garmin.com/activity/125422512
This is what works for me.
This is outlined in the Garmin manual, look for "Linking To Fitness Equipment."
If you still have difficulty, drop us a line - http://www.lemondfitness.com/contact
Edit to add:
What fatbastard wrote should work (does for me as well,) but I'm always hesitant to give step-by-step directions online for another manufacturer's product. With firmware revs being as volatile as they are, it's just safer to refer to the manual & then say "call us!" :)
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Yikes... Honestly? No idea. I will forward this on, and see if anyone in engineering has any insight...
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http://connect.garmin.com/activity/121696763
This one correctly displays as Bike Cadence.
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So no need to have ANT+ Spd/Cad or Power sensors selected as present? Or more accurately, should actually be selected as NOT present?
Have i missed something somewhere?
All I want to do is get power data onto Garmin Connect but I can't get my 705 to pair with the Power Pilot. I've got an FR60 that will pair with it but won't record power data - any ideas?
Thanks
Howdy,
The 705 does not support the ANT+ Fitness Equipment Device utility, and as a result will not interface with the Power Pilot. The Power Pilot *does not* output data as a power/wattage device, it outputs data as "fitness equipment" and will show up on a compatible device as such.
If you contact our customer service department - http://www.lemondfitness.com/contact - they will help you to get your FR60 set up.
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We're (unfortunately) very well aware of the issues that are sometimes (often?) present when attempting to interface with the 310XT, and there simply isn't anything we can do to solve them, as they are completely outside of our control.
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Sorry, but no update.
At this point in time (to the best of our knowledge,) the only people who have the native ability to write workout programs to the .FIT format are the folks at Peaks Coaching Group, who have invested significant resources to develop this capacity internally, and are producing excellent content.
We - and everyone other than P.C.G.- are still more or less in limbo, and the timeline for development of this resource has fallen far behind what was initially expected.
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Does the Power Pilot export data in such a way that my computer (Macbook Air) can pick it up through a wireless ANT+ stick (from a Garmin 310)? Or does one have to use a flash drive?
2014: 40k TT focus
Race reports at http://tripikapp.blogspot.com
I'm having trouble uploading my power file into PowerAgent. I can get the second-by-second readout in Excel (which isn't really all that helpful), but get an error message when I try to to upload activity data. The message reads
"java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "TIME""
The only help the manual gives is that the data "can be loaded directly into TraingingPeaks" by using a flash drive.
There has to be an elementary answer, but I wasn't able to find one in a frustrated, hurried search.
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pat.allen, drop us a line - http://www.lemondfitness.com/support
We have customer support available via the phone or email, and would be glad to work with you to resolve your issues.
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Any news on us being able to write some training programs for the powerpilot?
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Also how do we sing up for the firmware updates.
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I think we answered these same questions for you on Facebook yesterday...
https://www.facebook.com/lemondfitness/posts/10150517039772783
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My guess is it's based on the flywheel's speed. The resistance of the flywheel + fan (which is directly linked to the flywheel) should have a one-to-one correspondence with speed. Rider weight shouldn't matter for the calculation.
Asad
I haven't been able to get my PP to work with the HR monitor that came with nor the cadence. I haven't been home long enough to start from scratch, but I'm about ready to just put the Garmin 500 and cadence monitor back on (which did work) and say screw it to the PP.
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I think you have it wrong. They are not moving forward or up, so the wattage should be the same. It's like lifting a weight off the ground at a certain speed. It doesn't matter how much you weight, the power required is the same.
My impression is that the head unit lacks polish that we all expect from consumer electronics. Otherwise, the trainer is a dream, A DREAM, to ride. The power data is really nice to have, but I really want to upload it to garmin connect (or any service really) so I can see a graph of it later and send it to my coach.
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As for you'r success rate, that's unfortunate. I have had a 100% success rate in getting the info from the PP to the 310.
When starting up, make sure that you...(this is my routine)
-Turn the GPS to 'Off'
- Make sure that 'Fitness Equipment is 'Enabled'
- I rest the PP on my aero bars next to the 310 and press the 'Play/Pause' button to wake up the PP. I do this while pedaling. Wait for the Garmin to say 'Fitness Equipment Detected'
- At that point, I press the 'Play/Pause' button again to start the workout. The Garmin detects the start request and begins the timer and data is streaming to the 310 from the PP.
Also, make sure that you don't have the Garmin set to detect a Combo Sensor. I have mine set to Cadence Only
As for you'r success rate, that's unfortunate. I have had a 100% success rate in getting the info from the PP to the 310.
When starting up, make sure that you...(this is my routine)
-Turn the GPS to 'Off'
- Make sure that 'Fitness Equipment is 'Enabled'
- I rest the PP on my aero bars next to the 310 and press the 'Play/Pause' button to wake up the PP. I do this while pedaling. Wait for the Garmin to say 'Fitness Equipment Detected'
- At that point, I press the 'Play/Pause' button again to start the workout. The Garmin detects the start request and begins the timer and data is streaming to the 310 from the PP.
Also, make sure that you don't have the Garmin set to detect a Combo Sensor. I have mine set to Cadence Only
Those are great tips. Thanks!
I have "upgrade PP firmware" on my todo list, and then I'll try your checklist.
Also, if I set Cadence Only, do I not get speed? I see you don't have speed on your activity link, but there is an overall distance output.
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Yes, you have it wrong. The weight of a rider on a stationary trainer is meaningless. All of the resistance is generated by the flywheel fan.
For the Power Pilot, the speed of the flywheel is measured and then combined with a calculation of air density (based on temperature, humidity, and user inputted elevation) the power is very simply calculated from knowing the rotational inertia and aerodynamic properties of the fan. A coast-down calibration procedure is performed to account for varying "fixed losses" (i.e. from belt drive tension, bearing drag, etc.) from unit to unit.
It actually works fairly well IMHO (as compared to a recently calibrated CinQo) :-)
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cheers and best of the season to all.
Yes, you have it wrong. The weight of a rider on a stationary trainer is meaningless. All of the resistance is generated by the flywheel fan.
For the Power Pilot, the speed of the flywheel is measured and then combined with a calculation of air density (based on temperature, humidity, and user inputted elevation) the power is very simply calculated from knowing the rotational inertia and aerodynamic properties of the fan. A coast-down calibration procedure is performed to account for varying "fixed losses" (i.e. from belt drive tension, bearing drag, etc.) from unit to unit.
It actually works fairly well IMHO (as compared to a recently calibrated CinQo) :-)
As to tigerpaws question re: pros and cons. To me here are some cons, some mentioned in earlier posts in this thread.
1. Data loss. Not often but at least 5-6 times in the 6 months I've been using it ride data was lost. I was hoping the firmware update would correct this but lost ride data just last week. At end of ride data was there, USB drive connected, flashing FAIL message, data gone. I don 't know how many others have this problem but at least two others have reported data loss on this thread. I was streaming the data to a Garmin 310xt for back up but sometime the Garmin doesn't want to connect. As can be seen above linking a Garmin is just one more thing to deal with.
2. Displayed wattage bounces around much more than I'm used to seeing on my powertap. For the last 2 months I have been synching to TrainerRoad which helps me keep a steady effort. Say I'm trying to ride at 200 watts. I find it easy to keep the displayed power on TrainerRoad ( which is also calculating power by reading flywheel speed ) steady at 200 - 205. My data downloaded after the ride shows a good steady output. However the Power Pilot is bouncing around perhaps +/- 20 watts. Since there is no lap or interval average feature to me at least it's difficult to know how well I'm holding the target power.
3. Lack of user interface polish compared to other products. Example, if you go down into a sub menu often you cannot back up but need to wait for the unit to time out and go to sleep.
4. It's starting to look like the ability for users to create workouts isn't going to happen anytime soon.
I think the key to getting consistent spin down numbers is to be consistent in how you do them. Since the PP is looking at the rate of deceleration after you stop pedaling at the target speed, I try to make it so that I'm VERY slowly approaching that target speed and then stop. In other words, I think it might get "confused" if the speed is actually increasing quickly just before you stop pedaling. In any case, my spin downs don't vary by more than a unit or two.
Spin down calibration should just be a "once in a while" sort of thing. Do it after the unit is well warmed up, and then don't bother doing it again for a long time. After all, about the only thing that will change it is wear, or "breaking in" of the unit. So, occasionally doing the spin down to compensate for that will be a good thing. I can't imagine that doing it more often than every couple of hundred hours of use would really gain anything.
As far as losing the data goes...I haven't experienced that yet. Then again, my time on it is somewhat limited (my son actually has used it more than I have). My only complaint about the data download is how LONG it takes to write to the USB stick :-/
BTW, the percent difference I see between the Quarq and the PP is about what I'd expect there to be for drivetrain losses, which means that the PP should give a rider power numbers close to what they would expect for a PT. When you think about it, that's good, because I would expect the PT users who purchase a Revolution to be more likely to buy the Power Pilot than other PM users ;-)
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
"The spin down calibration feature can be accessed by entering pair mode (Press and hold DIST/SPEED & STOP buttons) then you press the down arrow to enter the calibration screen, then press HR/KCAL to start the calibration and follow the prompts."
You need to have the latest firmware for this, BTW...the directions for getting that (if you don't have it) should be earlier in this thread, I believe.
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
I have one...I was sent it to help beta test the firmware. That said, whenever I ride on it I use a bike with a Quarq, so I always go by that. I don't ride it much though seeing as how I live in SoCal :-)
My son, however, uses it a lot. He seems to actually "enjoy" riding a trainer...well, the LeMond Rev, anyway ;-)
As far as likes/dislikes go...about the only things I'd say I dislike about it is the lack of "intervals"...and how long it takes to download to the USB stick. On the "likes" side? It appears to be fairly accurate :-)
BTW, I've always said that the "target audience" for PP buyers is PT wheel owners. Seems like a perfect match.
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
how to pair the Garmin Edge 500 with LeMond Revolution?
I'd like to see the wattage on the garmin because I do not like the pilot power
thanks
how to pair the Garmin Edge 500 with LeMond Revolution?
I'd like to see the wattage on the garmin because I do not like the pilot power
thanks
I'm sorry, but that is not possible. The power calculation is performed in the Power Pilot.
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
It sounds like some folks have had better luck getting the firmware upgrade onto the PP. Has anyone else had troubles? What are some common gotchas?
Note: I've tried different USB keys, different size drives, different file system format (FAT32, NTFS), and different batteries. I got the file fresh from the FTP site today. Also, there is nothing else on the USB drive. Every time I get the same result.
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It sounds like some folks have had better luck getting the firmware upgrade onto the PP. Has anyone else had troubles? What are some common gotchas?
Note: I've tried different USB keys, different size drives, different file system format (FAT32, NTFS), and different batteries. I got the file fresh from the FTP site today. Also, there is nothing else on the USB drive. Every time I get the same result.
Did you get this sorted out?
I have a chance to get one at a great price, but I'm still seeing 2 issues. No way for coach to upload workouts and very long download times. Both of which add hassle to my life. The former making it almost not worth it.
It sounds like some folks have had better luck getting the firmware upgrade onto the PP. Has anyone else had troubles? What are some common gotchas?
Note: I've tried different USB keys, different size drives, different file system format (FAT32, NTFS), and different batteries. I got the file fresh from the FTP site today. Also, there is nothing else on the USB drive. Every time I get the same result.
Did you get this sorted out?
I have a chance to get one at a great price, but I'm still seeing 2 issues. No way for coach to upload workouts and very long download times. Both of which add hassle to my life. The former making it almost not worth it.
You can speed up the downloads by deleting prior workouts from the PowerPilot before downloading your most recent workout. It won't be fast, but keeping prior workouts in the PP's memory really made downloading slow, slow, slow in my case.
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Sorry but I never did got into w/o uploads, so I've got no information.
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John
i've bought one of the last power pilot for lemond revolution avaiable here in italy (because the official importer told me that lemond is not going to produce it anymore since Hoist fitness, the new owner, is not interested to keep on producing it).
My problem is that i'm triyng to download a firmware update but the ftp site of lemond fitness hosts only broken files (even the pdf manuals are invalid). My power pilot is updated with the v50 firmware but on the lemond site was hosted the v63 version (PowerPIlot_v63.zip is the complete name of the file).
Is there anyone who has downloaded it before the ftp problem who can can send it to me. I know at the moment i'm not the only one with this problem so this could be helpfull for other guys.
Thank you all for your help
Fabio (italian Triathlete)
P.S before you ask me: i'v already send email and other request to lemond fitness and Hoist Fitness without success.
i've bought one of the last power pilot for lemond revolution avaiable here in italy (because the official importer told me that lemond is not going to produce it anymore since Hoist fitness, the new owner, is not interested to keep on producing it).
My problem is that i'm triyng to download a firmware update but the ftp site of lemond fitness hosts only broken files (even the pdf manuals are invalid). My power pilot is updated with the v50 firmware but on the lemond site was hosted the v63 version (PowerPIlot_v63.zip is the complete name of the file).
Is there anyone who has downloaded it before the ftp problem who can can send it to me. I know at the moment i'm not the only one with this problem so this could be helpfull for other guys.
Thank you all for your help
Fabio (italian Triathlete)
P.S before you ask me: i'v already send email and other request to lemond fitness and Hoist Fitness without success.
just a up for the thread. someone else has a old firmware??
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what value have you recorded?
I've got Garmin GSC10s on my bikes for cadence, and was considering a second for speed off the flywheel, but I found my local bike shop may have a good deal on the PowerPilot.
Do folks who have them think it's worth $200? Does anyone have a copy of the latest firmware (I assume that's v63)? I've checked around their site and Facebook page and couldn't find any links for it.
bought myself a quarq and there is a 20 watt differential (the pilot is higher) between the two on my 20 min test ?
i will of course use the quarq number for my rides outdoors but just interested
many thanks