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how to increase your maximal power:heart ratio by 15% in just 12 wk
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Andrew Coggan
May 21, 07 14:53
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Answer: train hard. :-)

Ratio of average power to average heart rate during 4 min intervals in an elite athlete doing six such efforts once per week:

Week #1: 1.76 W/(beat/min)
Week #2: 1.79 W/(beat/min) (+1.7%)
Week #3: 1.81 W/(beat/min) (+2.8%)
Week #4: 1.85 (W/beat/min) (+4.8%)
Week #5: (TBD)

Okay, so the experiment is ongoing...but based on the apparent rules-of-evidence of this forum, I'd say that it's fair to ass u me that this subject with another 8 wk of training this subject's power:heart rate ratio during such efforts will be up ~15% in total. ;-)
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May 21, 07 14:55
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You're not telling the whole truth here. Isn't this athlete using Red Shoes (tm)?
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Re: how to increase your maximal power:heart ratio by 15% in just 12 wk [Paulo] [ In reply to ]
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Paul Dunn
May 21, 07 14:57
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No, no, no.... These guys are on Power Cranks! You must use Power Cranks to see the improvement, as demonstrated in studies performed by Dr. Andrew Coggan.
2015 USAT Long Course National Champion (M50-54)
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May 21, 07 15:01
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You're right, they HAVE to be on PC's!
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Andrew Coggan
May 21, 07 15:03
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You're not telling the whole truth here. Isn't this athlete using Red Shoes (tm)?
You know, you might be onto something: they recently changed from Blue Shoes^TM to White Shoes^TM. I'll have to review their records to see whether that was before or during this 4 wk period of time.
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vitus979
May 21, 07 15:04
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I'm told HR is pretty meaningless.







"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
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Tom A.
May 21, 07 15:09
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You're not telling the whole truth here. Isn't this athlete using Red Shoes (tm)?

No Mars...it's not the shoes - MJ
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astrotri
May 21, 07 15:17
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I don't see error bars... but I'm sure you have them, yes?
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JustCurious
May 21, 07 15:48
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OK. It's got to be a trick question...

"I would say that if you can measure power and perceived effort, HR is, at best, of somewhat limited value and at worst, a red herring."

(a quote from "Understanding Heart Rate - 7 Questions with Andy Richard Coggan, PhD" Performance Conditioning Cycling - Vol. 10, No.1)
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May 21, 07 15:57
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You're not telling the whole truth here. Isn't this athlete using Red Shoes (tm)?
You know, you might be onto something: they recently changed from Blue Shoes^TM to White Shoes^TM. I'll have to review their records to see whether that was before or during this 4 wk period of time.
I think they should randomly change back and forth between Blue Shoes and White Shoes in order to make the tests statistically significant.
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vitus979
May 21, 07 16:01
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I think they ought to get rid of get rid of any measurement tools except a stopwatch.







"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
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lschmidt
May 21, 07 16:08
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Re: how to increase your maximal power:heart ratio by 15% in just 12 wk [lschmidt] [ In reply to ]
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rmur
May 21, 07 16:25
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the author is being facetious.
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Joe C.
May 21, 07 16:29
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Just out of curiosity, what is this athlete's training like the rest of the week? I'm assuming that the 6 intervals are conducted in a single workout. Thanks.

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Cousin Elwood
May 21, 07 17:00
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"No Mars...it's not the shoes - MJ "
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Andrew Coggan
May 22, 07 7:37
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Just out of curiosity, what is this athlete's training like the rest of the week? I'm assuming that the 6 intervals are conducted in a single workout. Thanks.
Your assumption is correct. As for the rest of their weekly training, it is a mixture of level 2, 3, and 4 workouts, with ATL running 115-135 TSS/d (and their functional threshold power is up >10% in just 3 mo).
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Fleck
May 22, 07 7:47
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"Ratio of average power to average heart rate during 4 min intervals in an elite athlete doing six such efforts once per week"


Interesting. I have always liked doing 4 minute intervals on the trainer. I'll set the timer for 2 minutes and then I will do 4 minutes hard and then vary the recovery between 2 and 4 minutes depnding on how I feel.

Are the 4 minutes done all out? What would be the best recovery interval?
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tomd
May 22, 07 7:48
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Or maybe the subject is on an uncalibrated computrainer!
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asgelle
May 22, 07 9:12
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"Or maybe the subject is on an uncalibrated computrainer!"
I think Andy recalibrates between each interval.
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May 22, 07 9:17
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I thought you only used the 2x20 ;-)
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chainpin
May 22, 07 9:25
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I wold advocate injecting pedaling efficiency into that analysis:

Cycling Prowess Indicator (CPI) = (Average Power (P) + Spinscan # (SC))/Average HR (AHR)

CPI = (P + SC)/AHR
"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

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ttocsmi
May 22, 07 9:37
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Am I missing something?

Ass u ming an average HR of 160 on a short interval

1.85 W/BPM * 160 BPM = 296 W

An "elite" athlete?
king of the road says you move too slow
KING OF THE ROAD SAYS YOU MOVE TOO SLOW
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May 22, 07 9:42
Post #23 of 269 (20585 views)
Assuming 190

1.85*190=350w

A very good elite triathlete.
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Andrew Coggan
May 22, 07 9:50
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An "elite" athlete?
Yup.
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jhendric
May 22, 07 9:50
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So in 24 weeks I could increase by 30%?

Awesome.
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