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awards for top placing's in races (RANT)
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(i'm going to try and leave out specific details to not call out a particular event)


ok so this past weekend i was lucky enough to do a running relay race that covered a really long distance. our team put in roughly
$380 for an entry fee. there were alot of people doing the race. (read ~$30,000 in entry fees alone)

so, after a loooooooong day, my team managed to squeak out a 3rd overall performance. we were stoked and told to wait the 2hrs for the awards ceremony. we did.

lets say the 'award' was SUPER.... if you desperately wanted a mass produced handmade necklace on a synthetic leather cord. this award was the same for first overall and the various male/female/mixed category.


this brings me to my overall RANT.


i am getting annoyed (pissed really) at shelling out $$$ for RACES that are becoming nothing more than "charity" events. i see RACES as something that has a clear winner and loser. first thing, give the people that BUSTED THEIR A$$ and WON the event something to be proud/happy to receive! cash should be in that category, something in line with a minimum of the entry fee. this doesn't have to be anything spectacular. but come on? show some respect! i feel terrible for ME (selfish i know) as well as the teams that beat us. we ALL got EXACTLY the same award!?!? this happens all the time.


now don't start giving me this 'well you got swag didn't you' crap. yes, but let me be honest, i DON'T WANT ANOTHER SHIRT! if i wanted a shirt that cost me $$$$$ i would go to abercrombie and fitch! i don't want another reusable grocery bag, or a water bottle or a gel pack. save that crap. we all have that stuff. MY KIDS all have that stuff! THE DOG has all that stuff!


i LOVE triathlon/multisport and i LOVE racing, i do it alot of times both days on the weekends. running races and bike races it's CLEAR who the WINNER is. they get paid or get the BIGGEST trophy(just give me the cash) why does the multisport community and outlying other events not follow this protocol?


oh yeah, that necklace started a fight between my kids and was broken within 5minutes! so much for a $50+ necklace...........


i'm going to lunch now, maybe i need some food.


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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"You're all winners"
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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I was actually thinking about this today.. might not matter in the grand scheme of things but I'm a big fan of the cash prizes found at even local running and cycling races... even better (make more sense for sponsors of races, etc..) are gift certificates to Local running/biking/tri stores. The best prize I've received came after a 10 mile road race.. $50 gift certificate to LBS. Guess what? I used that and ended up spending much more than that at the store (bike tune up, etc..). I would NOT have gone there if I did not have that gift certificate but now I am a repeat customer.



spark notes --> I don't understand why more races don't give out gift certificates to local businesses (running/biking stores, etc..) as prizes.

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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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Cycling has it right.....Winners / Podiums get cash money in all Cats (except 5, generally its swag)

No goodie bag or event t-shrit. You show up race your ass off and winners are rewarded. Drink a few beers and adjourn until next week when you do it again....

Triathlon / Running are participant sports now for better or worse.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [aidanlynch] [ In reply to ]
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I would love to see more usable goods to winners of tris, following the bike racing genre with race wheels or something cool like that. Even if you don't need or want the prize, it still might have a cash value at the sponsoring shop or eBay. I also like the gift certificate for the local/sponsoring shop. It helps get more money in the door of the shop and is something that anybody who rides a bike can actually use.

I am doing a rinky dinky local 5k this weekend with a better cash payout to top 3 finishers (after 20 minutes or less of effort) than any other race I am registered for this summer. The entry fee was modest (almost nil when you consider the "free" t shirt) and the organizers clearly are rolling some of their profits into the prize payouts. I know what race I plan on doing every year, come hell or high water.

"It never gets easier, you just go faster."
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [running2far] [ In reply to ]
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If I win (which would never happen), at least give me my entry fee back.

Ive only been in the sport for a little over a year now, but I already have more t-shirts and grocery bags than I know what to do with.

One thing that Ive noticed recently is that winners get some cheesy prize, and then the RD's proceed to start giving out gift cards and other prizes that are actually worth something to random bib numbers that they pull out of a hat.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [running2far] [ In reply to ]
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exactly......

i haven't been to a cycling race that had one person bitching saying, i didn't get a shirt or i didn't get a medal


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [running2far] [ In reply to ]
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Yup. I won a local tri last year and it took them 2 days to figure out who the actual winner was, let alone the other placing. No prize whatsoever for $60 entrance fee and probably 1000 people in the event. I win a crit and I get some armwarmers and shoecovers, and I only paid $9 to enter. WTF?
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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BREAKING NEWS: The Pity Train just derailed at the intersection of Suck It Up and Move On, and crashed into We All Have Problems, before coming to a complete stop at Get The Hell Over It. Any complaints can be forwarded to 1-800-waa-aaahDr. Sniffle Reporting LIVE from Quitchur Bitch-in.

Do you really race to win $hit?
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:


Do you really race to win $hit?


YES!

what do you race for? or do you just make charitable donations to gather with bunch of friends that 'trained' for the gathering to see who trained more for said gathering?

if i just want to go really hard and time myself, i can do that at home! FILM AT 11:00


Tim
Last edited by: twinracer2: May 4, 11 9:38
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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There are lots of races, both running and triathlon, that offer cash prizes. Maybe you should be signing up for these. Otherwise, you'll have to be satisfied with the trinket your receive for your AG podium in the Cherry Picker 5K.

PS I'm pretty sure an inanimate object can't start a fight.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [kdw] [ In reply to ]
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kdw wrote:
PS I'm pretty sure an inanimate object can't start a fight.

It was looking at them the wrong way.


i do sign up for bike race, and duathlon/tri events that pay out. i'm talking about the other 95% of the races.


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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I won a race over the weekend. The year before I was 2nd overall, and I got $75. This year I got nothing, and the amount of participants doubled. What happened?
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [ironswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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ironswimmer wrote:
I won a race over the weekend. The year before I was 2nd overall, and I got $75. This year I got nothing, and the amount of participants doubled. What happened?

The RD got a divorce and needed the cash.

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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [ironswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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and that is messed up!


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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what do you race for? or do you just make charitable donations to gather with bunch of friends that 'trained' for the gathering to see who trained more for said gathering?

if i just want to go really hard and time myself, i can do that at home! FILM AT 11:00


Well Said.

i think the same goes for shirts and hats. I have a closet full of hats that still have the tags on them and a garage full of race shirts that make great rags. I would much rather see that money put into better prizes (even if I never get one). One of the local races here gave the winners big bags of coffee (one of the sponsors was a new coffee brand trying to promote) and free entry into next years race. Or at least put some useful stuff into my SWAG bag. I hate opening up my bag and all I see is coupons for places that I would never go.

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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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I have one foot on each side of the fence here. If you train to win and get nothing for that effort it really does suck, but in a really large race like you are talking about here most people know they have no real chance of placing and do want all the free swag. Should race directors cater to the majority, minority, or both. The logical answer is both, so the key is finding those races and supporting them. There are lots of races to pick from here in New England and it is up to the individual to find what will satisfy them at the end of the race.

Contemplating a multi-sport comeback
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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twinracer2 wrote:
M~ wrote:


Do you really race to win $hit?


YES!

what do you race for? or do you just make charitable donations to gather with bunch of friends that 'trained' for the gathering to see who trained more for said gathering?

if i just want to go really hard and time myself, i can do that at home! FILM AT 11:00

I race to go as fast I can go. Sometimes to beat someone else. No time trial makes that happen. If it does, then I'm not racing right. If I raced just to win stuff I would have quit racing long ago
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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If you don't like do something about instead of bitching about it here on Slowtwitch. Maybe you should start your own race series and offer prize money to the top 3 or so. Complaining here isn't going to solve anything.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [jandev] [ In reply to ]
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He can keep the money then. That would suck.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [trimick] [ In reply to ]
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trimick wrote:
If you don't like do something about instead of bitching about it here on Slowtwitch. Maybe you should start your own race series and offer prize money to the top 3 or so. Complaining here isn't going to solve anything.

i am considering this as we speak.

i like the idea of starting back at a grass roots level. everyone throws 5-10 in the hat and winner takes all.

starting a BIG series might be tough, what with the cost of peanut butter and jelly nowadays.


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [trimick] [ In reply to ]
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trimick wrote:
If you don't like do something about instead of bitching about it here on Slowtwitch. Maybe you should start your own race series and offer prize money to the top 3 or so. Complaining here isn't going to solve anything.

in fact.

my team (read ME) puts on a Duathlon EVERY Monday night in Big Flats, NY.

it's flat and it's fast.

come one come all. $5/head winner takes all!

Tim


Tim
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [aidanlynch] [ In reply to ]
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aidanlynch wrote:
I don't understand why more races don't give out gift certificates to local businesses (running/biking stores, etc..) as prizes.

Because not all local businesses are local to the prize winners.

Here's another reason it's not such a good idea: people who win prizes at triathlons usually have all the stuff they need already.

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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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I think it is one of the reasons that other sports don't take triathlon competitions seriously.

I have a similar experience. I got second overall at a big expensive race, my reward was a plastic necklace for my age group. They didn't even announce the overall placing. They did proceed to give out 3 "awards" to every 5 year age group for men and women.

I know I will never sign up for that companie's events again. Cycling races will give previous winners free or severely reduced race entry, in addition to the cool prize they received for winning.

If you think that there isn't money in a races budget, wake up! Races are very profitable. It is the equivalent of using slave labor and donated food to throw a concert, and not paying the band.
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Re: awards for top placing's in races (RANT) [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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twinracer2 wrote:
trimick wrote:
If you don't like do something about instead of bitching about it here on Slowtwitch. Maybe you should start your own race series and offer prize money to the top 3 or so. Complaining here isn't going to solve anything.


in fact.

my team (read ME) puts on a Duathlon EVERY Monday night in Big Flats, NY.

it's flat and it's fast.

come one come all. $5/head winner takes all!

Tim

See that sounds like a fun race. I am driving up to Burlington Vermont in August for AG race and to visit my cousin maybe I will swing by and take all the money.
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