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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [awenborn]
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [walie]
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I think I could appreciate the athleticism more if it didn't look like demolition derby on ice...
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [awenborn]
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awenborn wrote:
I'll fully admit that I'm an uneducated armchair critic, but I've just been watching some of the short-track speed skating semi-finals and am I the only one that thinks it's a bit of a joke?! It's like the BMX of the Winter Olympics; a good starting sprint is obviously very important, as is line and positioning through the corners and ultimately it's decided by good and consistent surges of speed out of each corner. That's all very well and good in terms of the athleticism, but the reality is that, like BMX, every race seems to be decided by crashes and ill-discipline between the racers with often the best-athletes hitting the deck before the race is over.
It seems like if you're outside the top 3 coming into the last few laps the usual modus operandi of the skaters is to sling a stupid move up the inside of the next bend and take everyone else out because you have nothing to lose. Otherwise, if someone makes a legitimate move on you and you're too gassed to respond, then just cut them off on the next bend, again because you know your race is done anyway.
To my uneducated viewpoint the whole sport could do with some more discipline and/or regulation such as individual athlete lanes, as per long-track skating, or at least leader/overtaking lanes as per track cycling? At the moment, there's not much pleasure in watching the best-athletes run off the ice and supposedly the pinnacle event of the sport being decided by the commissaires.
Go ahead, shoot me down!
I have only done long track and not short track for most of the reasons you mention, however, all the items you mention is part of the sport. Everyone knows it going in....so you're either a small agile lightweight and you roll the dice in short track or a big guy with long levers and a lot of weight (power/Cda) and you do long track. There is no place for small guys in long track and big guys in short track, just like there is no place for big guys in ski jumping and tiny lightweights in downhill or super G!!!
I really don't know how you change short track either than 2 person racing with 2 lanes with crossover points, which arguably is a possibility, since they do it in long track, ,or you do like cycling and have a single lane and make the skating loop larger and have a 2 man pursuit format. I don't think what you are saying is impossible. Might be nice to see a few events that are 2 man head to head. In XC skiing there are the sprint events which after the prelim rounds are head to head, and there can often be a lot of body/ski/pole contact and often the strongest skier does not win, and that's OK, as tactics should be part of racing, just like in bike racing.
At 5'6" 138 lbs I have the perfect body type and muscle composition for short track (way too much fast twitch for an Ironman guy) and exactly wrong mental profile for short track.
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [devashish_paul]
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I'm living in Canada for the year and to be honest one of the best bits has been curling. Really genuinely a fun game (I'm loathed to call it a sport) which has tonnes of skill, tactics, a great community atmosphere and ethics.
It's the thing I'll miss about here most for sure.
It's the thing I'll miss about here most for sure.
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [devashish_paul]
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Korean women are hot.
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [xcskier66]
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xcskier66 wrote:
My predictions: Mens 30K skiathlon:
1. Cologna
2. Harvey
3. Calle Halfvarsson
Cologna has been on fire so I put him #1. I put Calle at #3 because Sweden seems to always have an amazing peaking plan.
Womens 15k skiathlon
1. Charlotte Kalla
2. Jessie Diggins
3. Heidi Weng
I would love for Diggins to win but like I said above: Sweden always has amazing championships performances and Kalla is probably the best female at timing her peak. Jessie could seriously win the skiathlon gold if she is even with Kalla with 1k to go. I don't think there is anyone on the world cup that can empty themselves more than Jessie Diggins.
Krueger (Who?) sixth at Norway nationals wins after crashing.
Sundby
Holund Sounds like a French guy but not!
Norway tough to beat.
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [len]
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I am visiting Norway this weekend. Not the worse day to be a Norwegian.
Both Kruger and Holund are racing for the same club in Oslo, Lyn.
They have been training together since they were 12-13. Kruger won a world cup race ealier this year.
Sundby is also from Oslo, and from the club closest to Lyn, Roea.
Be top 10 in the Norwegian championship is not easy.
Both Kruger and Holund are racing for the same club in Oslo, Lyn.
They have been training together since they were 12-13. Kruger won a world cup race ealier this year.
Sundby is also from Oslo, and from the club closest to Lyn, Roea.
Be top 10 in the Norwegian championship is not easy.
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [klehner]
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Link?
"The person on top of the mountain didn't fall there." - unkown
also rule 5
"The person on top of the mountain didn't fall there." - unkown
also rule 5
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [hutchy_belfast]
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hutchy_belfast wrote:
I'm living in Canada for the year and to be honest one of the best bits has been curling. Really genuinely a fun game (I'm loathed to call it a sport) which has tonnes of skill, tactics, a great community atmosphere and ethics. It's the thing I'll miss about here most for sure.
Every year in late fall on a Saturday off:
*turns on tv*
Me: Godammit! Curling again
*cut to 2.5 hours later*
Me: WHY ARE YOU LEAVING ALL THESE ROCKS IN PLAY!
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [drm437]
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drm437 wrote:
hutchy_belfast wrote:
I'm living in Canada for the year and to be honest one of the best bits has been curling. Really genuinely a fun game (I'm loathed to call it a sport) which has tonnes of skill, tactics, a great community atmosphere and ethics. It's the thing I'll miss about here most for sure.
Every year in late fall on a Saturday off:
*turns on tv*
Me: Godammit! Curling again
*cut to 2.5 hours later*
Me: WHY ARE YOU LEAVING ALL THESE ROCKS IN PLAY!
this is awesome!!
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [devashish_paul]
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I love watching short track. (Well, I love watching any sport). I think swimmers do a silly amount of annual turns in the pool. But I wonder how many circles the short track athletes do in a year. Must be crazy.
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [Halvard]
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Going to Norway next week. Hoping there’s still some ski racing on to watch with locals
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [Halvard]
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Does the whole Norwegian team use the same wax in a race like this?. I just thought it was amazing how Kruger pulled away from Sundby with 3-4 km to go. Just saw the crash now this morning I only caught the last half of the race. He had to make up alot of ground in the classic section when the lead group was just hammering it. I don't think Sundby wants a sprint finish I think if he could go he would have.
They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot
They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [len]
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My predictions: Mens 30K skiathlon:
1. Cologna
2. Harvey
3. Calle Halfvarsson
Cologna has been on fire so I put him #1. I put Calle at #3 because Sweden seems to always have an amazing peaking plan.
Womens 15k skiathlon
1. Charlotte Kalla
2. Jessie Diggins
3. Heidi Weng
I would love for Diggins to win but like I said above: Sweden always has amazing championships performances and Kalla is probably the best female at timing her peak. Jessie could seriously win the skiathlon gold if she is even with Kalla with 1k to go. I don't think there is anyone on the world cup that can empty themselves more than Jessie Diggins.
Krueger (Who?) sixth at Norway nationals wins after crashing.
Sundby
Holund Sounds like a French guy but not!
Norway tough to beat.
Swedish girls are the good ones in swedish xc team now. Kalla and Stina Nilsson have great chances for new medals.
Calle Halvarsson seems to always be out of shape/ in problems. Other guys seems to have best days behind them but had great days with golds.
Cologna has won some race this year. He is one of the guys who has biggest chance to beat the norwegians.
Klaebo will probably win atleast the sprint.
Norway will win both men relays.
Women side will be Sweden vs Norway with Finland and US (?) as outsiders
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [pran]
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Forcade delivers in the biathlon. Much happiness in France. Followed by Samuelson (good to see the swedes in skiing) and Doll. Biathlon = exciting. BTW brutal conditions. Wind just wiping through and super cold.
They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot
They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [len]
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Can someone give me some insight on something?
How come, two different, albeit similar events, have a combined element so that the person who wins gold in one has a huge advantage in the other separate event?
I'm thinking of the Sprint biathlon and the pursuit biathlon?
Seems almost harsh on competitors to carry over the advantage.... What is the history to this? You could feasible win two medals through one stellar performance if you absolutely smash the field in the first competition...
It would be like giving Phelps a 3s headstart in the 400IM because he dominated the 200IM.
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How come, two different, albeit similar events, have a combined element so that the person who wins gold in one has a huge advantage in the other separate event?
I'm thinking of the Sprint biathlon and the pursuit biathlon?
Seems almost harsh on competitors to carry over the advantage.... What is the history to this? You could feasible win two medals through one stellar performance if you absolutely smash the field in the first competition...
It would be like giving Phelps a 3s headstart in the 400IM because he dominated the 200IM.
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Latest blog: Setting Goals. With or Without Gin.
Date: 10/31/2017
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [pran]
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pran wrote:
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My predictions: Mens 30K skiathlon:
1. Cologna
2. Harvey
3. Calle Halfvarsson
Cologna has been on fire so I put him #1. I put Calle at #3 because Sweden seems to always have an amazing peaking plan.
Womens 15k skiathlon
1. Charlotte Kalla
2. Jessie Diggins
3. Heidi Weng
I would love for Diggins to win but like I said above: Sweden always has amazing championships performances and Kalla is probably the best female at timing her peak. Jessie could seriously win the skiathlon gold if she is even with Kalla with 1k to go. I don't think there is anyone on the world cup that can empty themselves more than Jessie Diggins.
Krueger (Who?) sixth at Norway nationals wins after crashing.
Sundby
Holund Sounds like a French guy but not!
Norway tough to beat.
Swedish girls are the good ones in swedish xc team now. Kalla and Stina Nilsson have great chances for new medals.
Calle Halvarsson seems to always be out of shape/ in problems. Other guys seems to have best days behind them but had great days with golds.
Cologna has won some race this year. He is one of the guys who has biggest chance to beat the norwegians.
Klaebo will probably win atleast the sprint.
Norway will win both men relays.
Women side will be Sweden vs Norway with Finland and US (?) as outsiders
Loved watching Kalla win in a break away at the end...it's a nice change to seeing all the Norwegians (sorry Halvard but it does get boring after a while from the predictability) dominate everything such as on the men's side. Just because it mixes it up and I find myself not rooting for a team that just dominates all the time. I like the underdog aspect. Really liked that a German won the biathlon & not Fourcade. I was really hoping Alex Harvey (Canada) would have pulled off a podium spot but ended in fifth in the skiathlon.
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [len]
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Forcade delivers in the biathlon. Much happiness in France. Followed by Samuelson (good to see the swedes in skiing) and Doll. Biathlon = exciting.Yeah. Such a surprise with Samuelsson and some girl was 5th. Noone in Sweden expected that. Great race by Forcade. Impressive. Boe didnt manage to deliver so far. Gonna be exciting games.
If Sweden can just step up in hockey game its gonna be nice to watch them too
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [Rocky M]
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Agree about the underdog thing. Its nice with some surprises on and off. Can also like a win for long services
Harvey seems to be a great dude probably will have good chance later on
Harvey seems to be a great dude probably will have good chance later on
Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [jac2689]
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jac2689 wrote:
Can someone give me some insight on something? How come, two different, albeit similar events, have a combined element so that the person who wins gold in one has a huge advantage in the other separate event?
I'm thinking of the Sprint biathlon and the pursuit biathlon?
Seems almost harsh on competitors to carry over the advantage.... What is the history to this? You could feasible win two medals through one stellar performance if you absolutely smash the field in the first competition...
It would be like giving Phelps a 3s headstart in the 400IM because he dominated the 200IM.
I agree, this is stupid. Either award one medal for the combined medal, or decouple the events. To me its like awarding a 100m fly medal and then canceling the fly leg in the 400m IM and then awarding a second medal for the full 400m IM but only running the back, breast free. Seems stupid to me.
On another note, I really enjoyed watching the downhill leg on the Alpine combined (downhill + slalom). I think this is a cool event and with the legs being way longer than 20 seconds, there is an element of endurance to those runs too. Not sure how many of you guys remember that US Track Cycling Olympic Gold medalist Steve Hegg was also on the downhill ski team and beat Billy Johnson a bunch of times. But it is cool he won the 4000m pursuit at the LA Olympics....so he had plenty of endurance to last that 4+ minutes....and he has a Canadian connection:
https://www.upi.com/...-in-a/6594460180800/
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [windschatten]
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But the elite sportsman is being given a direct advantage over his competitors due to his result in another event.
I can't think of another single Olympic event in which this occurs.
And I understand it brings in another psychological element of being chased but it can't be a disadvantageous element or the competitor would just wait for the field to catch up...
And I also don't really understand the point about the events being back to back because surely this is the same for all competitors as the fields are the same between the two events?
Just trying to understand a sport I've never really had the opportunity to watch before.
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I can't think of another single Olympic event in which this occurs.
And I understand it brings in another psychological element of being chased but it can't be a disadvantageous element or the competitor would just wait for the field to catch up...
And I also don't really understand the point about the events being back to back because surely this is the same for all competitors as the fields are the same between the two events?
Just trying to understand a sport I've never really had the opportunity to watch before.
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [devashish_paul]
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Unfortunately, the alpine combined event is slowly dying away. There is more and more specialisation into the speed and technique events. Guys like Bode Miller could take victories in each discipline at the same time. With the girls that lasted a bit longer and maybe Shiffrin is the next. But you don't usually see it with the guys anymore. So the combined event is to see who is the besteht allround skier. Very sad should this event stop.
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Re: Winter Olympic Games Endurance Sport Thread [windschatten]
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windschatten wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
jac2689 wrote:
Can someone give me some insight on something? How come, two different, albeit similar events, have a combined element so that the person who wins gold in one has a huge advantage in the other separate event?
I'm thinking of the Sprint biathlon and the pursuit biathlon?
Seems almost harsh on competitors to carry over the advantage.... What is the history to this? You could feasible win two medals through one stellar performance if you absolutely smash the field in the first competition...
It would be like giving Phelps a 3s headstart in the 400IM because he dominated the 200IM.
I agree, this is stupid. Either award one medal for the combined medal, or decouple the events. To me its like awarding a 100m fly medal and then canceling the fly leg in the 400m IM and then awarding a second medal for the full 400m IM but only running the back, breast free. Seems stupid to me.
On another note, I really enjoyed watching the downhill leg on the Alpine combined (downhill + slalom). I think this is a cool event and with the legs being way longer than 20 seconds, there is an element of endurance to those runs too. Not sure how many of you guys remember that US Track Cycling Olympic Gold medalist Steve Hegg was also on the downhill ski team and beat Billy Johnson a bunch of times. But it is cool he won the 4000m pursuit at the LA Olympics....so he had plenty of endurance to last that 4+ minutes....and he has a Canadian connection:
https://www.upi.com/...-in-a/6594460180800/
Your analogy to swimming is very flawed (regarding the time/effort) and the psychological challenge inherent to the event.
Have you ever competed in back to back 10k XC races? Ever been the hunted in a pursuit race of anything?
That is why I think most people this continent do not understand the challenges/thrill associated with it.
If it were that easy, people would repeat all the time (hint: it only happened twice in Olympic history so far...one male, one female).
But if I couldn't understand the challenge and thrill of something, I wouldn't call it "stupid".
Hey, I raced XC skiing for 30+ years, so I get it the duration and psychological challenges. Nevertheless, the logical comparison of running the 100m fly separate from the last three legs of the 400IM and then giving out a 400IM medal for the 300m event is pretty well the same, and while I get your point of the duration and the psychological aspect, that's not a good enough reason to award medals in this manner.
Is the Biathlon Pursuit not modeled after the old X-C Ski pursuit races? I remember racing those back in the day, and they were an olympic discipline up until they merged the two into the Skiathlon and added the transition aspect to the race... I personally prefer the skiathlon format for the reasons you guys mentioned, it's one medal race, not a separate medal event affecting the outcome of the next medal event...
The XC Sprint races were pretty legit this morning... Can't say that I am surprised by the winners (was kind of hoping that Falla came back at the end on the ladies side, and that Diggins would have had more in the tank to potentially bump the OARs out of the podium conversation)...
The XC Sprint races were pretty legit this morning... Can't say that I am surprised by the winners (was kind of hoping that Falla came back at the end on the ladies side, and that Diggins would have had more in the tank to potentially bump the OARs out of the podium conversation)...