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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [Joel Filliol] [ In reply to ]
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Nice to see Coach Joel on here.

One of the best!

Was over in Victoria BC for a few days, and was thinking of you!


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [PUTU] [ In reply to ]
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Daily nutrition: I am a very strong advocator for balance when it comes to approaches to nutrition. A lot of people have inconsistencies with their eating patterns that often reflect their racing and training exploits. Of course it is easier said than done. I'm not a fan or big supporter of what people call diets. Daily food intake is a lifestyle choice, sport aside, energy levels, mood, concentration, recovery are all things effected by nutrition. It is very important, for me at least, that we as individuals find balance with our intake of proteins, carbs and fats. Vary the intake and eat organic, rather than processed. When balance is found it is not uncommon for people to feel they can eat lots and eat often.

Race nutrition: it is such an individual approach and I read so many articles of this works and that works but truth be told there is not one formula that is guaranteed to work for another. Identify what you are good at intaking, for example I can not stomach the intake of solids so my race nutrition is based on the intake of gels and fluids. The recommended carbohydrate intake varies person to person. We made a change in Bahrain and for the first time I felt I got my nutrition right, on the bike I am working +/- on intaking 70g CH per hour. The run slightly less.

In relation to food approaches specifically for women to be honest again there is no major, stand alone point that I would advise. For example my diet is not based on the fact that I am a woman. That being said women can be different and can require more of some nutrients than others in order to find balance. This would be a case of assessing blood values and doing some general testing then applying nutritional approaches based on the individual.

Training: actually not a whole lot has changed this year in the way of training. We have really focused a lot on finding consistency. This has been the key. A lot has contributed to finding consistency though, we have limited my change of environment, committed more to having my osteopath around during heavy blocks of training. I guess you could say injury prevention through the availability of treatment has been a bigger focus in 2014 than previous years.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [RobK] [ In reply to ]
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RobK wrote:
Congratulations on the win. I have been disturbed by the fact that the main person bankrolling this race is accused by multiple sources of being directly involved in the torture of pro-democracy activists in Bahrain. Do you think that it is right for you to participate in this race, thereby indirectly legitimising not only the oppressive Bahraini government but also the extremely unpleasant behaviour of which Shaikh Nasser is accused?

Lok forward to your reply

Cheers

Rob

Hypocritical given you live in the UK.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [malte] [ In reply to ]
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Malte,

Thanks. Vestjylland is a beautiful place, a very raw piece of nature. I'll be heading up to Holstebro on Wednesday next week to spend Christmas with family. Unfortunately I don't get to spend as much time as I would like in Denmark. This is one of the sacrifices I have had to make in order to get the best out of myself. Prior to the Christmas holidays I have spent in total 3 weeks at home and around family and friends.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
RobK wrote:
Congratulations on the win. I have been disturbed by the fact that the main person bankrolling this race is accused by multiple sources of being directly involved in the torture of pro-democracy activists in Bahrain. Do you think that it is right for you to participate in this race, thereby indirectly legitimising not only the oppressive Bahraini government but also the extremely unpleasant behaviour of which Shaikh Nasser is accused?

Lok forward to your reply

Cheers

Rob

Hypocritical given you live in the UK.

No it's not you silly.

Rob
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [RobK] [ In reply to ]
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RobK wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
RobK wrote:
Congratulations on the win. I have been disturbed by the fact that the main person bankrolling this race is accused by multiple sources of being directly involved in the torture of pro-democracy activists in Bahrain. Do you think that it is right for you to participate in this race, thereby indirectly legitimising not only the oppressive Bahraini government but also the extremely unpleasant behaviour of which Shaikh Nasser is accused?


Lok forward to your reply

Cheers

Rob


Hypocritical given you live in the UK.


How is it hypocritical of me? You know nothing about me, yet you make this accusation? Is this a reference to the UK's involvement in the CIA's torture activities? Not something which I was directly or indirectly involved in, nor which I would condone in any way... unlike sheikh Nasser Bin Hamad Al Khalifa I have not accused of being personally involved in any torture or repression of people in my country on the basis of their religion, nor have I participated in a race organised by such people, so I am at a loss to understand in what way I am a hypocrite. I think this is an entirely reasonable question to ask.

I guess everyone's a big man online.


Rob

Not being a "big man". Pointing out the bullshit of calling out middle eastern human rights abuses when our own governments are guilty of the same, or far worse. Maybe noone should race in the UK?

BTW, torture is wrong. The basis for the torture is irrelevant.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think you understand what "hypocrite" means.

Rob
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,

Thanks a lot for the kind words. I am very happy so many got to actually see the race and the coverage was good.

Bahrain was a fantastic experience, it really was. I know post race there was a lot mentioning this and some may think that pros got special treatment but honestly trying to put myself in the shoes of an amateur I would say the experience was great. I actually had a coached athlete who made the trip over from Denmark and he was blown away by the experience, pre, during and post race. The Royal Family and Challenge as an organisation definitely covered all bases. I'll point out the things that mattered to me and gave me a sense of "this is how it should be done." I was supported and felt as though I was a valuable part of this race, from the beginning, this went a long way and is something, to date, I have not felt to this level, other than being at the Olympics. Anything that was potentially going to be stressful for me pre-race was taken care of and available to me. When I got off the jetway at Bahrain airport there was a chaperone waiting for me, escorted me through immigration, walked me to my bags and placed me inside an Audi and off to my hotel. I did not touch my luggage. At the hotel they were expecting me, greetings as though I was a person of importance, small but appreciated. Swim lanes were booked and we were advised where to and where not to ride. We had a rental car but if I wanted it I could call an Audi to take me to swimming, shopping, nightclubbing, whatever, I was told to use it as that was what it was there for. Challenge's pro liaison Lisa Pringle was just there to look after us and she did, if you needed something she did her very best to get it for you. What I noticed was it positioned the professionals on a pedestal that the amateurs actually looked up to. Whenever a Audi VIP car would turn up outside the pro hotel you would notice amateurs delay their entrance in to see who would get out. Again small things but something that matters. As I said in pre and post race interviews the only thing I can compare it to is the Olympics.

Preparation for Bahrain was really no different to Tremblant other than a bigger focus on the course requirements of Bahrain. I was confident I had the work in me to contend for the win. My training block prior to Bahrain, of which Joel was on hand, was the best block I had probably ever conducted but the consistency of a year was shown on Saturday. What hurdles did I have to overcome? In the race there was a very significant point where the elastic to Rachel Joyce, who was charging towards Jodie Swallow, nearly broke. Rachel rode incredibly well on Saturday. There was a lot of tactics, at least for me and many times Rachel made surges to get rid of me. These surges hurt me a lot, the gap occasionally stretching to 60 - 100m and I was really on the rivot replicating that of an ITU race on times.

20M non-drafting rule. It is difficult for me to pass judgement on how others raced because I was so involved and committed to what was going on immediately around me. I saw nobody. It was only on the F1 circuit did I actually realise and see that Annabel Luxford was part of the front group. I personally felt the 20m rule brought a significant amount fairness to the racing. I found the rule fairly easy to judge. We, Ben and I, had paced and measured the distance between cat-eyes on the road, pre-race, I had so much fear that a situation like Mont-Tremblant could happen again that I didn't want to chance anything. I also took the time to consultant with ITU officials pre-race to gain an understanding of what their point of reference was going to be to judge to 20M and with this they confirmed the 'metal cat-eye' reference. So all I focused on for the majority of the ride was this image: https://twitter.com/...s/540905834142646272 I'm a strong biker so felt the 20M ruling played to my strengths.

Thanks for the wine hint. The way we are going I may call it a day after day three ;)


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [fierceSun] [ In reply to ]
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I have a wedding in the not too distant future, it will come in handy there.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [pk] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed on the 'coaches share', much deserved.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks.

Yes the two times I have encountered birch pollen reactions have been horrendous. One was in the lead up to the Olympics and the other was upon arrival into Knoxville, both times put me on the sidelines for a long period of time. We now know to avoid birch pollen bloom periods. My reactions have more so triggered my asthma which has really been tough. Thankfully we managed it OK in 2014.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [AlwaysCurious] [ In reply to ]
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You owe me a dollar - https://twitter.com/...s/542583487208124416


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Right now given that my heart wants to achieve more and get faster over the half-distance I have no personal desires to race in Kona, not in 2015 at least. Also thankfully my sponsor income is not determined on whether or not I race Kona. As it stands now it would be a poor business decision for me to shoot for Kona because it is the trend to do so. If my curiosity and belief that I can compete in Kona rises, I may give it a shot, until then I have enough to improve on over the half-distance.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [RobK] [ In reply to ]
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Rob,

Should I base my participation in triathlon events on the political status and happenings of a country I would probably not find myself racing too often. I chose to focus solely on what I feel is good for the sport of triathlon. On that basis I feel it is right for me to have raced in Bahrain. I'll not go any further into this issue.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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helle_f wrote:
Thanks Dev,

I'm now starting to identify that my physiology is definitely more suited to the non draft format more than the ITU format. It is clear that I have a much better ability to sustain high consistent power outputs over large periods of time, of which is not 'relevant' in ITU, or not so relevant at least. Despite my 40km average power being higher in non-draft races than ITU races the requirements of ITU do not favour a rider of my type. What I really like about the developments of non-draft and half-distance events, as shown this weekend, is that you really need to carry no weakness over all 3 disciplines to come out on top. This trend I only see getting stronger over the years.

In terms of training approaches, not a lot has actually changed to be honest, of course we focus more now on the longer sustained efforts rather than short peak power accelerations, especially on the bike. Swim and run is very similar in terms of pace focus. Prior to the London 2012 Olympics we focused on efforts reflecting the ability to run 34 minute 10km, we still try and stay in contact with that type of effort.

Triple Crown, this is a huge opportunity, not just from a professional athletes perspective in terms of big prize money but in terms of growing the sport. I have long been frustrated with the lack of exposure in the sport. We as athletes and more so event organisations have an obligation to sponsors to provide them exposure. Irrelevant of what the minority might think we absolutely need this sport exposed and commercialised. Outside sponsors are looking for a way into this sport but they don't want to come near it when they lack any significant opportunity to get recognised. Only last year I spoke with a strong title sponsor of a world tour cycling team. His words to me at the time were pretty simple but pretty obvious, he got more eyeballs seeing his brand and hearing his story per $ spent than he could get in any other sport. Yet he acknowledged that triathlon was an incredible sport to be a part of. This showed me how much it meant that companies desire that exposure. Having heard a lot in Bahrain this weekend I really feel that Challenge understand what this sport needs, not from a business perspective but from a sporting perspective. I'm excited to follow the developments.

Regarding Bahrain and my experience as a woman, this is a great point and thank you for raising it. It should be noted that despite being supported to go to this race I actually opted to not stay in the race hotel for my own preparation reasons. I was in the capital, Manama, due to race start location, which was far more a populated area than the Sofitel location where all pros, and a large portion of age group athletes stayed. This likely exposed me more to the culture and people of Bahrain. We chose to rent a car, not relying on the chauffeur service plus we ate out most evenings. For me to feel more safe and suited to an foreign environment or new country I do a lot of research to find out if there are any cultural/religious rules or etiquette that you ought to follow. I do that to respect the new country and its people but more so for myself to feel prepared. I can say honestly that I felt Bahrain on the whole was far more westernised than you could expect. I did travel with my fiancé, Ben but not for the reason that I felt unsafe travelling there alone. Had Ben not been in a position to go I would still have gone alone and probably still put myself out of the pro support locations/services. Upon reflection of the 6 days we spent in Manama I would never discourage a female travelling to Bahrain to do that race and I would certainly go again. At the end of the day we are travelling into a new country and my feeling is that providing we know and respect they culture there is no reason to feel afraid. I'm expecting the same in reference to Dubai and Oman.


The two most important points that I wanted you to answer is expanding the sponsorship scope of triathlon outside of the endemic sponsors and traveling to Bahrain as a woman. I hope the latter appeases some of the concerns of my female age group friends.

On the "former", I was recently passing through Newark Airport and saw a massive wall size add for Tag Heuer and the NYC Marathon. I actually took a picture of that advertisement and sent it immediately to IM CEO Messick, because that is the type of thing that I feel our sport can aspire to. If NYC marathon can do it, so can triathlon. Watching a triathlon is as "boring" as watching a marathon. Both are participation sports, albeit running has a theoretical "wider reach". But let's not fool ourselves and sell triathlon short. It is perceived by the general participant as a higher "bar" for participation and in some way proving the participant has higher skill/versatility/determination/focus (even though we know that being say a 27 min 10K runner or an Olympic swimmer is outrageously crazy hard). If I asked the average person at the gym or the office they would say triathlon is a "higher achievement". So in that vein, I believe there is a positioning of our sport by race organizers and professional athletes to up sell what we offer to sponsors from outside the sport. I'd love to see the likes of Credit Suisse, Audi (OK they are at Bahrain), Apple, Ebay, Nissan, Rolex and their peers dive in with both feet and out compete each other to be part of triathlon. I think it is possible with the right packaging of the offering. The fact that watching long course triathlon is like watching paint dry is not that important. TV is the old media and even though it gets eyeballs, over time the internet will win over. In my son's generation, no one talks about what is going on in network TV. In my generation we did. They talk about what is in the media via the internet.

Non Endemic sponsors can see value in associating with a sport that is seen to be health oriented, a challenge, high performance, a lifestyle, and very competitive in nature. If I look at companies in my sector (technology), triathlon shows all of the values that we want either our products or our employees to have. The connections have to be made between triathlon and the VPs of Market and also VPs of HR who can likely leverage professionals like you as spokes people for companies.

Keep up the good work and I am glad that you see the opportunity in converting the race podiums into business opportunities for you and the sport. I think this is something that is largely lacking....and I think being a European athlete you actually have a better chance at that 'conversion' of potential non endemic sponsors to "real ones". Just today I was in a technology meeting in Europe with the CTO of a company. He spotted a tiny Ironman logo that I had with me and struck up a conversation related to that. That never happens in North America. There is generally more respect for endurance oriented athletics in Europe....and I might add in Europe the sporting superstars "look" like real people....footballers, tennis players, track athletes, skiers. US big sport, be it basketball-NFL-MLB-Ice Hockey, the type of athlete that dominates is a bohemoth that looks like the incredible hulk. This is actually important, because the main stream sponsors expect pro athletes in North America to look like jacked up comic book heros, whereas in Europe a triathlete who "looks" like a normal human falls into the category of what an athlete is expected to look like. Messi, looks no different than a short pro traithlete if we both put a suit on. Likewise many of the top WTA Pros look no different than a you and your peers. I think it is easier for you all to "fit in" to the pro athlete mould in Europe and bring non endemic sponsors in and wish you all the best to make this conversion that is long overdo, even though some age groupers claim you and your peers bring no value.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Darn it. That's what I get for trusting media sources. But don't feel bad; in the first version I misspelled "World". And mistook Michael for his half-brother Skeletor.

But here's a fixed version. Now will you call yourself Half Ironman World Champion?






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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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helle_f wrote:
Rob,

Should I base my participation in triathlon events on the political status and happenings of a country I would probably not find myself racing too often. I chose to focus solely on what I feel is good for the sport of triathlon. On that basis I feel it is right for me to have raced in Bahrain. I'll not go any further into this issue.

Congratulations on your recent successes and your future celebrations.

Re - Politics of the host nation - your response is perfect, and should once and for all, silence any critic of those that do chose to participate.

helle_f, I will stand and applaud you and your achievements on so many levels.
and you will be welcomed Down Under with open arms any time you care to visit. Challenge Half in March'15 :-)
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Helle,

What about your swim training??? How many days per week, km/wk, etc??? Did you swim as a kid growing up??? What is your best time in a pool for 400, 800, and/or 1500 scm/lcm???

Many congrats on your 2014 season and we hope to see you do really well again in 2015!!!

Thanks,

Eric


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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I am super happy for you
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [Avago] [ In reply to ]
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Avago wrote:
helle_f wrote:
Rob,

Should I base my participation in triathlon events on the political status and happenings of a country I would probably not find myself racing too often. I chose to focus solely on what I feel is good for the sport of triathlon. On that basis I feel it is right for me to have raced in Bahrain. I'll not go any further into this issue.


Congratulations on your recent successes and your future celebrations.

Re - Politics of the host nation - your response is perfect, and should once and for all, silence any critic of those that do chose to participate.


I really don't understand how anyone might think that. She doesn't the address the main issue at all: this isn't just a general politics issue, this is more specifically about the person bankrolling the event who is accused by multiple sources of being personally involved in torture of pro-democracy activists. This isn't simply like doing a race in Apartheid South Africa, it's like doing one organised by the security police and with the cheques presented by Hendrik Verwoerd and Eugene De Kock. You might like to contrast this response with, for example, the vitriol that's directed towards Brett Sutton every time his name is mentioned here: the crimes that Sheikh Nasser is accused of are at least of the same magnitude as Sutton's, far more recent and have gone unpunished. Secondly, simply avoiding these issues is a complete cop-out: from the response above I assume that she would be happy to race in Apartheid South Africa or North Korea. Not too nice really.

Of course, she's had a lovely time, been treated like a rock star, won the race and made a load of cash so it's going to be difficult for her to deal with that, so the easiest thing is just to produce a bland and fairly meaningless response and ignore the issue.

Rob
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Eric,


Helle's swim training is fairly standard - usually scm or scy in the US, 5x per week, 4-5km per session - mix of endurance, strength and pace. What works is how that interfaces with the bike and run training. We have a fairly repeatable pattern we use most of the year and progress the quality as she gets fitter.


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Helle how much riding do you do on your own and how much with the Itu guys?

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For the run and bike training how many sessions are done per week? Are the majority of these sessions typically at an "easier" pace? Do you mix in high intensity intervals as well?
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [FastTwitch12] [ In reply to ]
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Hey FastTwitch12,


Helle runs 4-6x per week, with 2 work sessions usually, others are easy. Bike is 4-5x with 2 work sessions, otherwise easy.


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