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Why don't you run a disc wheel?
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I'm watching the IMFL live feed. I'm flabbergasted by the lack of disc wheels. Tons of deep rims on the rear but not a lot of discs.

For those of you that choose to run a deep rim instead of a disc on the back, would you tell me why?

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a gear whore and have two discs (a Hed Jet and a Zipp) so you're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. :-)

The two reasons I can think of are 1) cost and 2) urban legend that discs are too hard to control in the wind.

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
The two reasons I can think of are 1) cost and 2) urban legend that discs are too hard to control in the wind.

For me it's neither - I ride a Transition and I'm too cheap to dump that kind of money into a real disc wheel that would fit. It's a ROI decision.

Now if a Wheel Builder Disc fit...

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I am not at IMFL but after having 2 discs destroyed by TSA, I only race on my disc when I can drive to the race. Otherwise, I ride Hed 3s. Knock on wood, they haven't found a way to break those yet. If I was to use TriBike Transport or something similar, I'd be back on the disc.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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You can train on a deep back without looking too much of a dork?

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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FWIW, I know a Jet will fit a transition, any flat disc and iirc so will a wheel cover built on around an 808. I'm pretty sure I've run the wheel cover/808 combo at least once in my old transition.

To your ROI though, maybe this is where I'm confused. 9 out of 10 times a disc is faster then a deep wheel. Cost is ~$200 more typically but you can get discs for < the cost of a deep.

What am I missing?

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
I'm watching the IMFL live feed. I'm flabbergasted by the lack of disc wheels. Tons of deep rims on the rear but not a lot of discs.

For those of you that choose to run a deep rim instead of a disc on the back, would you tell me why?

I was poor and stupid when I made my first race wheel purchase. Now, I'm still poor and only a little less stupid.






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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
GMAN19030 wrote:
The two reasons I can think of are 1) cost and 2) urban legend that discs are too hard to control in the wind.


For me it's neither - I ride a Transition and I'm too cheap to dump that kind of money into a real disc wheel that would fit. It's a ROI decision.

Now if a Wheel Builder Disc fit...

I think "I'm too cheap to dump that kind of money into a real disc" falls under my reason #1 of cost. Does it not? :-)

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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You are spot on.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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It's simply because we have had enough threads titled 'should I run a disc'...And no one has ever answered. You can't blame them.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I'm the antithesis of those threads.

I'm not complaining though b/c I rarely don't run a disc in a race, can't even remember the last time I didn't.

If I were racing I prefer to see no discs in my AG racks.

But I'm still perplexed why more people don't choose disc over deep rim rear.

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
GMAN19030 wrote:
The two reasons I can think of are 1) cost and 2) urban legend that discs are too hard to control in the wind.


For me it's neither - I ride a Transition and I'm too cheap to dump that kind of money into a real disc wheel that would fit. It's a ROI decision.

Now if a Wheel Builder Disc fit...

AJ,

I've got a cover from Wheelbuilder on my Transition Pro. The rims are the original 808 tubes build on DT240 hubs. No problems.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
FWIW, I know a Jet will fit a transition, any flat disc and iirc so will a wheel cover built on around an 808. I'm pretty sure I've run the wheel cover/808 combo at least once in my old transition.

To your ROI though, maybe this is where I'm confused. 9 out of 10 times a disc is faster then a deep wheel. Cost is ~$200 more typically but you can get discs for < the cost of a deep.

What am I missing?

Interesting. I have a 2012 with S80/S60. The only Wheel Builder I ever tried was a friends on a Mavic rim and it didn't come close to working. Are you saying that could put a platter on my S80 and it would clear?

A HED Jet is about $1000. I run the SRAM wheels as GP racing and training wheels, so that wheel would be an extra $1000 to be used for about 200 miles a year. No sure where you get the $200. As far as free speed, too bad JackMott isn't around. Pretty sure he would tell us that the Wheel Builder is worth it, and the Jet isn't.

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I was being sarcastic. How many times do we have 'what wheel should I run'. It's been answered over and over again. Aside from
Embrun, Norseman, maybe Lanzarote, and a few select races, a disc is the choice.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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I was looking at retail costs of Zipps. That was about the difference.

I'm pretty confident the platter would work. I agree a cover is the economical choice. A disc is a disc is a disc.

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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The only arguments I've seen against a disc wheel are weight penalty and fear of handling. Both are easily disproved.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
9 out of 10 times a disc is faster then a deep wheel.

Care to share your proof source for this statement? Please don't reply with the standard "everybody knows", "there's tons of data to prove", etc - just post a link to support your statement of fact.
This will probably be the last myth to die.................but it will die one day.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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I use a wheelbuilder cover with my Transition - I need to take the non-drive side to the spokes but once that is done it works. There's a couple threads on here with instructions on how to pull it off but it's pretty easy.
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [Nick_Barkley] [ In reply to ]
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Nick_Barkley wrote:
The only arguments I've seen against a disc wheel are weight penalty and fear of handling. Both are easily disproved.

And the most important argument: a disc isn't always faster than other wheels
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [triflorida] [ In reply to ]
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triflorida wrote:
I am not at IMFL but after having 2 discs destroyed by TSA, I only race on my disc when I can drive to the race. Otherwise, I ride Hed 3s. Knock on wood, they haven't found a way to break those yet. If I was to use TriBike Transport or something similar, I'd be back on the disc.

How did this happen? The disc was in your bike bag? or what?
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I'm "cheap". I'm not that "serious". I don't want to look like "that guy". (The guy you see during a race who is riding a $10,000 bike with a disc who averages less than 18 mph for his bike split.)

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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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money. i run H3s both front and rear for races. For the money, no one has convinced me a disc is worth the investment in time savings over the H3.


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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [6 String] [ In reply to ]
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6 String wrote:
desert dude wrote:
9 out of 10 times a disc is faster then a deep wheel.


Care to share your proof source for this statement? Please don't reply with the standard "everybody knows", "there's tons of data to prove", etc - just post a link to support your statement of fact.
This will probably be the last myth to die.................but it will die one day.
http://www.wheelbuilder.com/aerodisc-data.html

A 808FC is comparable at over 10 degree yaw but many run a 404 or non FC 808 which is not.
Last edited by: redhusky: Nov 3, 12 7:54
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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What about notoriously windy events, albeit flat, like IM COZ?
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Re: Why don't you run a disc wheel? [6 String] [ In reply to ]
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6 String wrote:
desert dude wrote:
9 out of 10 times a disc is faster then a deep wheel.


Care to share your proof source for this statement? Please don't reply with the standard "everybody knows", "there's tons of data to prove", etc - just post a link to support your statement of fact.
This will probably be the last myth to die.................but it will die one day.


From wheelbuilder: http://www.wheelbuilder.com/aerodisc-data.html
In this trial, all discs and covered 808 beat the 404. At low yaw, the 404 appears silghtly better than a covered alloy rim. Just one study, but there's your data. Lower drag = faster. I'm sure others will chime in w/ Zipp's HED's and FLO's data. But, here *100%* of the time it's better to run a disc than the 404. -J

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