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Which win was more impressive?
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jasinsf
Oct 17, 03 9:53
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IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 06-Oct-2001
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k

TOP MALE ATHLETES
PL NAME NAT SWIM BIKE RUN TOTAL DIFF.
1 TIM DEBOOM USA _______00:52:01___04:48:17___02:45:54___08:31:18 -
2 CAMERON BROWN NZL____00:52:16___04:53:29___02:58:05___08:46:10___0:14:52
3 THOMAS HELLRIEGEL GER _00:55:35___04:47:42___03:01:25___08:47:40___0:16:22
4 NORMANN STADLER GER __00:56:14___04:45:13___03:05:57___08:49:43___0:18:25
5 LOTHAR LEDER GER ______00:52:08___04:56:01___02:59:42___08:49:49___0:18:31
6 MARC HERREMANS BEL ___00:54:06___04:58:25___02:55:59___08:51:19___0:20:01
7 ANDREAS NIEDRIG GER ___00:52:13___04:53:26___03:04:44___08:53:00___0:21:42
8 CAMERON WIDOFF USA __00:54:01___05:02:04___02:57:20___08:55:33___0:24:15
9 STEVE LARSEN USA _____01:00:45___04:33:32___03:19:09___08:56:28___0:25:10
10 CHRISTOPH MAUCH SUI _00:54:03___05:02:42___02:58:10___08:57:30___0:26:12

IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 26-Oct-1996
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k

TOP MALE ATHLETES PL NAME NAT SWIM BIKE RUN TOTAL DIFF.

1 LUC VAN LIERDE BEL __00:51:36 __04:30:44 __02:41:48 __08:04:08 -

2 THOMAS HELLRIEGEL __00:54:22 __04:24:50 __02:46:55 __08:06:07 __0:01:59

3 GREG WELCH ________00:51:23 __04:35:43 __02:51:51 __08:18:57 __0:14:49

4 PETER REID _________00:54:22 __04:30:33 __02:59:42 __08:24:37 __0:20:29

5 DAVE SCOTT ________00:53:16 __04:49:55 __02:45:20 __08:28:31 __0:24:23

6 ALEXANDER TAUBERT _00:55:31 __04:42:52 __02:52:22 __08:30:45 __0:26:37

7 PETER KROPKO HUN __00:54:14 __04:48:12 __02:52:29 __08:34:55 __0:30:47

8 JEAN MOUREAU _____00:55:40 __04:41:55 __02:57:54 __08:35:29 __0:31:21

9 JAN VAN DER MAREL _00:59:48 __04:37:54 __02:58:14 __08:35:56 __0:31:48

10 MATTHIAS KLUMPP _00:56:57 __04:47:12 __02:51:59 __08:36:08 __0:32:00

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Re: Which win was more impressive? [jasinsf] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy
Oct 17, 03 10:58
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Thisw will start another war between the DeBoom lovers and haters but judging by the times you posted, Tim would have came in 7th in 1996. Obviously LVL 's time is more impressive because it was faster.
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jackattack
Oct 17, 03 11:10
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But LVL only won by 2 minutes...

And I'm not a die hard Deboom fan, but he crushed everyone in 2001. Measuring an Ironman win by overall time alone is a bit unfair and unrealistic.
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Aus(Justin)tin
Oct 17, 03 11:15
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Two comments/questions:

Wasn't the course change in 2001? Did that affect the times? How?

Wasn't 2001 one of the windiest IM's? Was 1996 windy?

The fact that Deboom won by 15 minutes and beat Thomas by more than 15 minutes in 2001, whereas LVL only beat Thomas by 1.5 minutes, speaks volumes to me about Debooms achievement. In mind, the times relative to other competitors is much more relevant than comparing year to year, especially when you have the same person to compare to in both years. Thomas seems pretty darn consistent, making him a good mark.

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Re: Which win was more impressive? [Jack in Mi] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy
Oct 17, 03 11:18
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"But LVL only won by 2 minutes... "

Yeah, but he beat DeBoom by 27 minutes. Tim just picked a much slower race.

I'm outta here. No more posts from me about how great/not great DeBoom is. Let's see how well he does this year.
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Re: Which win was more impressive? [jasinsf] [ In reply to ]
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steveperx
Oct 17, 03 12:13
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You just can't compare the races unless the conditions were substantially similar. No doubt, Luc's win was impressive. IMHO, so was DeBoom's, but for different reasons.

I'm done with this subject.
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jaylew
Oct 17, 03 12:14
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Both would have won by even more if not for time spent in the sin bin for penalties. Deboom for drafting and LVL for blocking. W/O LVL's penalty he's at 8:01! So close.
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M----n
Oct 17, 03 12:37
Post #8 of 11 (2352 views)
You can't compare these as weather is too important a factor in Kona.

That said, LVL's victory is probably the most impressive. 2:41 marathon. Sorry, but weather or no that is damn quick.
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kcwiii
Oct 17, 03 12:44
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Look at the bike splits. In 1996 Luc's bike was 6min slower than Hellriegel. In 2001 Tim's bike was 1min slower than Hellriegel while Larsen blew them all apart. Larsen smoked the competition in 2001 on the bike and his time is STILL 3min slower than LVL in 96. This is difinitive evidence that the course in 2001 was harder than 1996. Tim smoked the competition in 2001. What more can we ask of him? Let's compare apples to apples and not worry about which champion was better. 10/18/03 will be a great day.
Last edited by: kcwiii: Oct 17, 03 12:46
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jasinsf
Oct 17, 03 15:21
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Here's 1998, 1999 & 2000 also


IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 03-Oct-1998
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k

TOP MALE ATHLETES PL NAME NAT SWIM BIKE RUN TOTAL DIFF.

1 PETER REID CAN _____00:52:04 __04:42:23 __02:47:31 __08:24:20 -

2 LUC VAN LIERDE _____00:48:48 __04:52:45 __02:47:58 __08:31:57 __0:07:37

3 LOTHAR LEDER ______00:50:43 __04:55:20 __02:44:58 __08:32:57 __0:08:37

4 CHRISTOPH MAUCH __00:51:41 __04:50:02 __02:53:39 __08:38:06 __0:13:46

5 SPENCER SMITH ____00:49:02 __04:53:30 __02:53:40 __08:39:07 __0:14:47

6 CHRIS LEGH AUS ____00:55:12 __04:46:14 __02:56:43 __08:40:45 __0:16:25

7 RENÉ ROVERA ______00:55:05 __04:55:19 __02:48:03 __08:41:10 __0:16:50

8 THOMAS HELLRIEGEL 00:52:08 __04:41:45 __03:08:34 __08:45:21 __0:21:01



IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 23-Oct-1999
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k

TOP MALE ATHLETES PL NAME NAT SWIM BIKE RUN TOTAL DIFF.

1 LUC VAN LIERDE BEL ____00:50:38 __04:41:26 __02:42:46 __08:17:17 -

2 PETER REID CAN _______00:50:46 __04:41:39 __02:47:56 __08:22:54 __0:05:37

3 TIM DEBOOM USA ______00:48:51 __04:42:58 __02:51:23 __08:25:42 __0:08:25

4 CHRISTOPH MAUCH SUI _00:53:00 __04:39:22 __02:52:29 __08:27:06 __0:09:49

5 OLIVIER BERNHARD SUI __00:53:38 __04:48:44 __02:41:57 __08:27:12 __0:09:55

6 THOMAS HELLRIEGEL GER 00:53:07 __04:38:38 __02:54:03 __08:28:49 __0:11:32





IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 15-Oct-2000
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k

TOP MALE ATHLETES PL NAME NAT SWIM BIKE RUN TOTAL DIFF.



1 PETER REID CAN ____00:51:46 __04:39:33 __02:48:11 __08:21:01 -

2 TIM DEBOOM _______00:50:33 __04:40:31 __02:50:00 __08:23:10 __0:02:09

3 NORMANN STADLER _00:52:52 __04:35:15 __02:56:01 __08:26:45 __0:05:44

4 LOTHAR LEDER _____00:51:42 __04:43:59 __02:50:27 __08:28:15 __0:07:14

5 THOMAS HELLRIEGEL 00:51:53 __04:38:36 __02:59:58 __08:33:35 __0:12:34













My opinions

1) I don't think Deboom should be characterized as not pushing it on the bike - the results don't bear that myth out.

2) The weather is why the times are slower or faster in any one year vs. another. 1996 was an incredibly favorable weather year - LVL broke the overall record & Hellreigel set the bike record. I think Deboom's win in 2001 is more impressive than LVL's in 1996

3) LVL can run - his times are great because of his run. NOT because of the myth he takes it to everyone in all 3 legs.

4) Larsen is the only player out there with the potential to win the race on the bike. He can put 15 to 20 minutes into the field and still run after that hard of an effort. That might be enough to hold off the runners.

5) Hellreigel is awesome over these years and he won it in 1997.



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desert dude
Oct 17, 03 16:36
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LVL's swim times are rather solid. To say he wins b/c of his run is a bit unfair. He has to be near the top guys to run them down. If he is 30min back and runs a 2:35 it won't matter unless everybody tries to run 3h+.
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