HED Jet wheels consistently at or near the top in every comparative test I have seen. Yes, Jets are probably faster than FLO...And Zipp, and Enve, and Roval...

Here’s an old test from Tom A:

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/...time-part-1.html?m=1

Keeping in mind that it was an old Flo 90 with aluminum brake track.

WRT to Hambini, fake aero test, fake lawyer letters, being banned from Twitter for misogyny etc....all that aside I am beginning to doubt if he’s actually an engineer, let alone a PhD. In one of his recent Q&A he states that head tube shape and things like aero brakes don’t matter because of all the air coming back from the front wheel, lol.

Maurice

If you believe your signature, why even post this? ;-)

Because my competitors work hard also, Doesn't mean I want to leave anything on the table

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Get Winspace Hyper or Lun

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Plus that is the absolute dumbest signature and reeks of someone who has a chip on their shoulder about aero gains other people 'buy'.

A few hours in the tunnel will probably find more time than months or years of training.

Training is dam important for sure, but aero is king when it comes to speed on a TT bike. Training being queen of course!

Damn. Did OP kick your puppy or what? Dial the sensitivity down a few notches.

Joking or serious?

1. I'd be really hesitant to buy a wheelset that not only claims to be more aero than the industry leaders, but -also- about a pound lighter??

and even worse, from their website:

2. "Independently wind-tunnel tested by Hambini Engineering"

No thanks

Winspace seems to be spending a lot right now on the YouTube cycling influencer market. I’m seeing a bunch of reviews / build videos.

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The Hunt wheels you see on Qhubeka Assos bikes are rebadged Hypers.

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Link? Where did you read that?

Maurice

https://www.cyclingnews.com/...unt-wheels-for-2021/



Picture looks like a dear ringer for a Hyper and down in the comments Joe mentions this.

Pretty sure that's "China Cycling" Joe who does work for Winspace.

Never heard a rumour about Flo getting rebadged.

If it's been done, willing to bet it was a disc.

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The picture looks like a Hyper 38mm.

https://www.winspace.cc/...-brake-wheelset.html

Hunt does have a 36mm wheel...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/...ero-wheelset-review/

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Relax Karen,

You can buy all the free speed you want! But it doesn't matter one bit if you dont put the work in. So I would venture to say Training is king and any marginal gain is the queen.

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Did you read the response from the owner of Hunt? Read the follow up, He’s basically saying that why would he buy Winspace rims when due to his ordering capacity he can buy good rims from whoever he wants.

“Joe” might be some random guy on the internet, if he actually works for Winspace then my “super sketchy” alarm goes off.

Combine this with hiring Hambini to fabricate aerodynamic data for you???

Maurice

I debated the same thing for too long. I owned a set of the original 60/90 Flos and was pleased with them. I sold them when I left racing for 4 years. I wanted to avoid getting a really deep wheel again for the rear as I hate the issues of needing an extender for them. I just bought a new set and was going back and forth with what set to get. Ultimately I went with the He'd jet black plus 6/9 combo and am very impressed with them. I have a trek SC and the braking is great. I ultimately bought them because of the aerotest on youtube where they beat the other wheels except for the enve 7.8s (for $2500+).

I decided not to get carbon rims but think Flo customer service and support is great. They are easy to find and contact and they often post their personal cell numbers here.

Get what you like for the money and how you think it will look on your bike. I do like how flo has the cool sticker choices.

Mybineshop has sales and I got mine for a good deal.

Good luck.

Why do you hate valve extenders?

Flo aluminum/carbon is a pretty old wheel. For that generation of wheels, the Jets would be my pick. I have had both the aluminum wheels and the durability of the HEDs has been much better. Really the HED Jets are still a great design. They really nailed that design and they are fast with a wide range of different tires.

I wouldnt be so quick to knock the winspace wheels. A friend bought a pair to replace a pair of Scope wheels- I', ve seen them in the flesh. They are really well built and very light- saved about 300-400g off his previous wheels.

I would not be surprised if winspace manufactures rims for Hunt at all.

Yea you can get trash out of china or you can grt a good product but based on this example I dont think they fall under the 'crap' category.

Basically with Winspace you are paying an elevated price for a generic re-seller (note not manufacturer) of wheels, I’ll leave the quoted response to “joe” hopefully random internet guy, and not owner of Winspace.

Quote:

Joe, thanks ever so much for your mention and we're always very keen for riders to have the most information possible to make the best wheel buying decisions. As far as I'm aware Winspace do not manufacture any rims, they purchase their rims from other companies. We have never spoken to Winspace, I'm sure they're lovely people trying to do a good job, however we definitely don't buy anything from them. Why would we when the best rim manufacturers are keen to deal with us direct, so we can pass that benefit onto customers. I know Winspace don't produce these rims as those shown in the image are produced using a Whole Wheel Winding technology unique to, and patented by, a specialist carbon rim maker who manufacture for us (they are one of our 4 carbon rim suppliers) and also supplies rims to Cadex (as used by World Tour Team CCC in 2020) and FSA (as used by world tour Team EF in 2020), neither of these are a secret as both of these wheel companies display technology on their wheels that is patented by that particular manufacturer. Thanks again, as complete bike geeks here at HUNT/ TheRiderFirm, it's actually refreshing to be able to openly discuss real information about component supply with people like yourself who have a decent understanding of it. As you can probably guess, as massive pro road race fans, we're very excited to be able to work with riders such as Victor Campenaerts in the wind tunnel developing wheels for him. For Nizzolo and the other fast finishers on the team we will research some specific sprint high-power-transfer+aero wheels, we'll probably work with Limitless Tech (our in-house engineered and patented extra wide aero rim technology) + the UD carbon spokes for that. I know Luisa (MSc Aerospace Engineering) Hunt Head Engineer, is very keen to work with Giacomo as a compatriot of Italy. These are exciting times to serve such a deserving team and to help make better wheels for riders. We're always keen to chat bike and would be delighted if anyone wanted to reach out to us with advice on how we can serve riders better on thechase@huntbikewheels.com +44 (0) 1273 931 428. Thank you again and enjoy your riding, Tom Marchment, Co-Founder HuntBikeWheels

Maurice

Pretty sure that manufacturer is venn cycling, as far as I know they were the first to filament wind an entire bike rim. I'd love to talk to their engineering team and learn more about how they actually do it, super interesting process.

Filament winding is a pretty interesting process which dates back to WW2:

https://www.rockwestcomposites.com/...-makes-a-difference/

It does make me wonder if Winspace doesn’t actually wind or fabricate their own wheels where do they get them? Is the wound appearance a surface layer designed to make it look like they were wound, lol to make them look like hunt wheels?

Combine this with zero company info in terms of address/phone but a whole page dedicated to “if you think we violated your IP” combined with Literally stating you Have the fastest wheels on the planet all the while having zero proof and pretty much zero provable R&D with the exception of paid “influencers” or “racefluencers” on YouTube...I don’t know...

Don’t get me wrong, I have a set of generic tubulars from 2012, but I paid 400$ for them. Novatec hubs, ti spokes, 1100 grams, came as advertised and still perform fine, I just don’t think I’d pay double that for the same product.

Maurice

I know that company, interviewed with them a couple years ago :P the interesting thing to me about what venn does is that they filament wind the bead hooks as well, which is what they mean by the whole wheel winding. Making a rim shape and bonding on bead hooks I totally get, but not how you wind something that shape.

From that email, it sounds like hunt and winspace either both contract the same company to make their designs, or more likely one, or both, of them just buys product and resells it as their own.

I started a thread a week or so ago and got some flak for it, but the winspace aero road bike looks suspiciously like a venge as well, although there are some differences, mostly for ease of manufacturing I suspect. Makes sense though, these companies don't sell things cheaper because they're trying to stand up to the industry. Somewhere they have to cut costs, and eliminating R&D is the first place to do so.

Your signature is pretty cringey, but yes this is correct. Work + Aero = Leaving Nothing on the Table