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Re: Vino's next career [marcag]
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That's hysterical.
Re: Vino's next career [marcag]
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How did he do in kona last year by the way?
Re: Vino's next career [lacticturkey]
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9:13. I was impressed.
Re: Vino's next career [ripple]
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Yeah that's fast
1 hour 5 swim, 4 hour bike, 4 hour run and 2x 5 minute transitions?
1 hour 5 swim, 4 hour bike, 4 hour run and 2x 5 minute transitions?
Re: Vino's next career [ripple]
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Just ahead of me , not that I am bitter or anything :)
I actually saw him drafting on the bike , once a cheater
I actually saw him drafting on the bike , once a cheater
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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UKINNY wrote:
Just ahead of me , not that I am bitter or anything :) I actually saw him drafting on the bike , once a cheater
Re: Vino's next career [ripple]
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So why aren't all of you complaining about Laurent Jalabert, who has been taking lots of WTC podiums, and 5th in his division at kona this past October??
Re: Vino's next career [SBRcanuck]
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I don’t want to start another AG doping thread
But yeah him as well
But yeah him as well
Re: Vino's next career [SBRcanuck]
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I'm not complaining. I like Vino. Where did I imply otherwise? Maybe you were just responding to last?
Re: Vino's next career [ripple]
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Sorry, was more meant for UKINNY. :)
I have no problem with these guys. I was a fan of both when they were pro cyclists, would love to meet them.
I have no problem with these guys. I was a fan of both when they were pro cyclists, would love to meet them.
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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UKINNY wrote:
Just ahead of me , not that I am bitter or anything :) I actually saw him drafting on the bike , once a cheater
Serious question....who the heck was Vino drafting in the age grouper field at Kona. Pretty well all age groupers are riding much slower than him. I'd hazard to guess that Vino being a slow swimmer, was just slingshotting past people on his way to a post hawi solo side back to Kailua pier.
Now if Lance was racing 45-49 with Vino, I would believe they might be drafting each other....but which age groupers ride as fast as a somewhat fit Vino? (doped or not is irrelevant, we'll assume he's just totally juiced, out and focus on the drafting).
Re: Vino's next career [devashish_paul]
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Jalabert
Not really but would have been a good story
I hit a small small pack and as ever there is nowhere to go but to be fair most people tried their best not draft
Not so Vino, he sat in for a few mins right up someone’s arse when he clearly had the power to go wide and go round all of them
He then took off as i would have expected him to - it we all a bit odd actually and I was not the only one shaking my head
He rode a 4-18 I believe
Jalabert went by me at about mile 30 , he just ploughed through everyone ahead of me
Not really but would have been a good story
I hit a small small pack and as ever there is nowhere to go but to be fair most people tried their best not draft
Not so Vino, he sat in for a few mins right up someone’s arse when he clearly had the power to go wide and go round all of them
He then took off as i would have expected him to - it we all a bit odd actually and I was not the only one shaking my head
He rode a 4-18 I believe
Jalabert went by me at about mile 30 , he just ploughed through everyone ahead of me
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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So he's guilty of doing the same thing half the AGer's do, and of course, the entire field at IM Texas.... ;)
I know these guys had a history, because of the pro sport they were a part of, but I think they should be allowed to move on. Jalabert was a pro during a huge doping era. If you are OK with him now plowing threw a triathlon field on the bike, then its not really fair to single Vino out for drafting IMHO.... But to each their own.
And with regards to Vino's bike time, I'm not doubting what you saw, but you don't get a bike split like that just because you sat in a few AGer's draft more than you should have. He's obviously a world class biker.
Cheers
I know these guys had a history, because of the pro sport they were a part of, but I think they should be allowed to move on. Jalabert was a pro during a huge doping era. If you are OK with him now plowing threw a triathlon field on the bike, then its not really fair to single Vino out for drafting IMHO.... But to each their own.
And with regards to Vino's bike time, I'm not doubting what you saw, but you don't get a bike split like that just because you sat in a few AGer's draft more than you should have. He's obviously a world class biker.
Cheers
Re: Vino's next career [SBRcanuck]
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I agree broadly and yes Vino smashed the course
vino doped his whole career and even up to the Olympics in 2012 i suspect (no proof of course )
I just wonder whether he is still doing the same , old habits die hard for someone who has doped like he did
I am more pissed about the AG field , again no proof but I am sure it goes on , particularly in my AG
Cheers
Steve
vino doped his whole career and even up to the Olympics in 2012 i suspect (no proof of course )
I just wonder whether he is still doing the same , old habits die hard for someone who has doped like he did
I am more pissed about the AG field , again no proof but I am sure it goes on , particularly in my AG
Cheers
Steve
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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I agree broadly and yes Vino smashed the course vino doped his whole career and even up to the Olympics in 2012 i suspect (no proof of course )
I just wonder whether he is still doing the same , old habits die hard for someone who has doped like he did
I am more pissed about the AG field , again no proof but I am sure it goes on , particularly in my AG
Cheers
Steve
Steve, I don't think we can say Vino is doping any more than Jalabert today. I would like to think NO who knows.....but they may not be that much different than many age groupers who dope and draft their way to and at Kona. They will face higher scrutiny fo sure as they should. Vino is new to triathlon but he knows TT rules from cycling. You can't draft the guy who started in the TT in front of you if you catch him so if he's drafting people who swam faster before he hammers away, its probably because age groupers have shown him "how it is done in our sport". In any case, my main point was that you don't get Vino's bike split without riding hard yourself as there is almost no one to draft off who can ride like that.
Pretty cool that you got to see all of this in action. Congrats on your race!!!!
Re: Vino's next career [devashish_paul]
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Hey Dev
I suspect he was just taking it all in , the guy disappeared very quickly when he decided to go
You are right of course , no one knows and i try not to think about it - I suspect (there I go again ) that the ‘average’ AG at Kona is more likely to dope than Vino
I noted that Ironman used him as a marketing photo for IM Copenhagen which I did not think was a good idea and for the same reason , I still would not enjoy seeing him on the podium (which is where he is headed let’s face it )
But the rules are the rules and he is allowed to compete so it is what it is - I will continue to be vocal however about hoping for a clean sport and maybe learn how to swim so I beat him next time :)
Cheers Steve
I suspect he was just taking it all in , the guy disappeared very quickly when he decided to go
You are right of course , no one knows and i try not to think about it - I suspect (there I go again ) that the ‘average’ AG at Kona is more likely to dope than Vino
I noted that Ironman used him as a marketing photo for IM Copenhagen which I did not think was a good idea and for the same reason , I still would not enjoy seeing him on the podium (which is where he is headed let’s face it )
But the rules are the rules and he is allowed to compete so it is what it is - I will continue to be vocal however about hoping for a clean sport and maybe learn how to swim so I beat him next time :)
Cheers Steve
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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I highly doubt Vino is doping for triathlons. Competing at the TDF as a professional cyclist is a different animal where all the major teams run doping programs and it's your job as a professional cyclist (no offense to the people that believe this is not happening and still believe in Santa Claus). The retired professional cyclists that compete in tris are doing it because they are having fun. The professional cyclists that switch and become full time pro triathletes are a different matter.
Re: Vino's next career [Nerd]
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I would agree with you but he already has the benefit of having used them
I am a maybe a naive believer that today’s cyclists skirt the edges of what is allowed (see team Sky) but do not generally dope like the good old days - there are always exceptions of course and suspect it is more prevalent in the junior ranks (where testing is more lax) or in certain countries - It is rife in Costa Rica for example , this time a proven fact
I am a maybe a naive believer that today’s cyclists skirt the edges of what is allowed (see team Sky) but do not generally dope like the good old days - there are always exceptions of course and suspect it is more prevalent in the junior ranks (where testing is more lax) or in certain countries - It is rife in Costa Rica for example , this time a proven fact
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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IM Nice AG winner and overall 17. I assume he qualifies for Kona.
Re: Vino's next career [UKINNY]
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I know this is 6 months late but:
If they're not doping like the good old days then how are they still breaking records? - They are just better at it?
If they're not doping like the good old days then how are they still breaking records? - They are just better at it?
Re: Vino's next career [jaretj]
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I know this is 6 months late but: If they're not doping like the good old days then how are they still breaking records? - They are just better at it?
Nobody ever thought of adding a splash of pineapple juice to a bidon before nor travelling with their own pillow. It's made a huge difference.
Re: Vino's next career [ripple]
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ripple wrote:
UKINNY wrote:
Just ahead of me , not that I am bitter or anything :) I actually saw him drafting on the bike , once a cheater
I hear he was the only one.
Re: Vino's next career [Shambolic]
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Were they both using the same gear or did vino ride a road bike?
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Nobody ever thought of adding a splash of pineapple juice to a bidon before nor travelling with their own pillow. It's made a huge difference.A bunch of marginal gains! They add up!
Eliot
blog thing - strava thing