It's called nit picking Jack. That's what we do here (ST). I believe you won't be able to find many, if any, people on here that think weight is completely non-noteworthy. So for him to say that it's not noteworthy is BS. That's what I was calling him out on. Now, the degree as to it's noteworthy-ness is still TBD.

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Well, three of us in this thread think the weight and stiffness differences are not noteworthy.

Hell I think the aero differences aren't really noteworthy either!

But less so than the other two =)

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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

I believe you won't be able to find many, if any, people on here that think weight is completely non-noteworthy.

Lots of people are willing to argue the point but I haven't seen any that walk the walk or ride the ride. Unless you're riding Apex or 105, for example, you've paid good money for nothing more than weight

What I find odd about the weight doesn't matter crowd is, for almost all of them, I could find enough money spent on weight loss on there bikes to pay for a windtunnel session. Yet very few have actually spent money on a WT session.

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Styrrell

I have an SWorks Venge built to 16 lbs and absolutely love it. I can't comment on the comparison to an S5, but In my opinion, the ride quality complaints about the Venge are entirely unfounded. The bike rides great and is not overly harsh by any stretch. I am frequently on my bike for 5+ hour rides and the Venge doesn't beat me up any more than another bike. I have also ridden the bike in several races with dirt sections and while it is a bit "livelier" than I would like when it gets really rough, it isn't enough to make me consider another bike.

The bikes stiffness really shines when sprinting at BIG watts. The steering and BB stiffness are just so solid and confidence inspiring.

Psh, every single person riding Flo wheels is talking the talking!

Or Hed Jets for that matter, to a lesser degree.

and people with wheel covers.

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

I love my S5. It does all I want it to and can do way more than I am able to make it.

My GF rides for a Specialized team, and a lot of the guys there have Venges. Damn, those are sexy bikes.

But, in the end the data, to me, seem to skew to the S5. And, my engineer's mind likes the data.

Disclosure: I ride for a Cervelo Dealer's team.

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You missed the word completely if you think weight is completely unimportant then you wouldn't spend any money on anything which solely lessens weight.

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Styrrell

But nobody thinks that

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

This doesn't make any sense

Sorry nothing more than weight loss.

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Styrrell

S5 VWD is lighter than any version Venge anyways in the real world, so that point is moot.

You keep telling yourself that DA 9000 is just lighter than 105 and not better.

Right not their isn't a simlar group but they just announced Ultegra 11 speed. So go with that. Still I doubt anyone has lost when the sole difference in bikes is DA9000 vs 105.

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Styrrell

I do.

styrrell wrote:

Unless you're riding Apex or 105, for example, you've paid good money for nothing more than weight

We could go through the equipment on my bikes, and you might say "You could be just as fast on lower level equipment!" and then I'd have to explain all the ways (and horse trading) that the various equipment I use has been acquired and the little, or no (or, sometimes negative) incremental cost for each.

In reality, if I were to start from scratch and had no equipment, or access to the used market...I'd be perfectly happy, and just as fast on a base model S5 using Rival as I am on that same bike using the (used) Red parts I have on there now.

There's a reason I still use a $25 Scott 100K bar for TTs...and a reason that Robert refers to me as "The CheapAss Engineer^tm" ;-)




I still probably wouldn't spend the money on a tunnel visit...I find field testing to be more convenient, easier, and nearly as effective overall, not to mention considerably less expensive.

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Just to bring things back around, if I were you, I'd hang on to the SLC-SL no matter what you get next, until you're sure the new one is an improvement over the SLC.

Yep--that's the plan....

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Insert Doubt. Erase Hope. Crush Dreams.

I have a Speed Concept 7.0 with Apex and am stoked about my new Flo wheels. I would rather be on a 9.0 with Red and Zipps. I wish my bike was lighter, but not for what it would cost.

Side note: I do have a 2008 Scott Addict with mostly Rival that is 14.5 lbs (Enve 1.45 tubulars help) and I CAN tell a difference when riding up. And down, for that matter.

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I don't think you read that article right. The litespeed got last place.

As for wether the Venge beats the S5 in any meaniful way. I bought the Venge over the S5 because I liked the ride quality, better stiffness and lighter.

 
>I don't think you read that article right. The litespeed got last place.

Yeah, meant Scott Foil...my bad.