The whole notion of an anti-doping organization hurts not only pro sports, but recreational athletes as well.

By making various performance enhancing drugs illegal, the Anti-doping authorities have curtailed research into creating restorative and regenerative medicines that may help improve tissue repair and recovery, improve performance in the work place and in other activities of general life, artificially increased the costs of potentially life-style improving drugs, artificially reduced R&D in making such drugs safer, and R&D in general.

OVerall, this is net negative to society as a whole.

Moreover, WADA and the USADA have failed in their mission. They do not catch dopers before hand, and can only retroactively correct the record, but teh vast majority don't give a shit about that. At the end of the day, Barry Bonds still hit the homers, Lance still won the TdF 7 times, etc. Coming after people way after the fact, just doesn't work or curtail any future PED use.

If you are so worried about safety during the peloton, let's legalize drugs that make people more alert and reactive. How about some stimulants?

If you are so worried about safety during the peloton, let's legalize drugs that make people more alert and reactive. How about some stimulants?

Frank Schleck also got busted for paying a known doping Dr almost 20k for "training plans" he didn't remember receiving....

But if they had all that testimony from Hincapie, Leip and DZ then wouldn't the Feds have been able to prove exactly what they set out to prove in the first place. So why didn't they prosecute.

time will tell

I have vaughters on that list too. Not only has he admitted it (although not in as public a light as frankie) he then went about making a concerted effort inside cycling to work against doping

Landis is a liar. That is undisputed, not to mention his hacking into various computers and other such nonsense.

Lance has not failed a test. And, let's move on.

If the USADA's job is to get dopers, seems like letting at least 5 guys go essentially free, to go after 1 guy is the definition of a witch hunt.

to be fair, he was pretty damned good. Rainbow stripes at a 22, Fleche, & San Sebastian is nothing to scoff at.

The whole notion of an anti-doping organization hurts not only pro sports, but recreational athletes as well.

By making various performance enhancing drugs illegal, the Anti-doping authorities have curtailed research into creating restorative and regenerative medicines that may help improve tissue repair and recovery, improve performance in the work place and in other activities of general life, artificially increased the costs of potentially life-style improving drugs, artificially reduced R&D in making such drugs safer, and R&D in general.

OVerall, this is net negative to society as a whole.

Moreover, WADA and the USADA have failed in their mission. They do not catch dopers before hand, and can only retroactively correct the record, but teh vast majority don't give a shit about that. At the end of the day, Barry Bonds still hit the homers, Lance still won the TdF 7 times, etc. Coming after people way after the fact, just doesn't work or curtail any future PED use.

Stimulants didn't seem to hurt, Eddy Merckx, or most baseball players who were taking "greenies". Didn't seem to hurt Paul Erdos, either.

Landis is a liar - however, this does not mean that every word he utters is a lie.
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Stimulants didn't seem to hurt, Eddy Merckx, or most baseball players who were taking "greenies". Didn't seem to hurt Paul Erdos, either.

Fixed that for you ;-)

You do Frankie a disservice by putting Vaughters on that list.

Lance doped. So did many others. We can argue about how severe it is in each case and what kind of punishments should be meted out.

But one thing seems certain: The USADA wants to punish Armstrong far more than everyone else and with a much harsher penalty (lifetime ban). And it doesn't seem to matter whether or not Armstrong is more guilty or not. It seems to be something else. A vendetta, or maybe because Armstrong is more popular or because he won the biggest prize seven times. Or to make an "example" of him. I don't know. But it's suspicious. No matter how much Armstrong doped, there's no reason to believe he doped MORE, or longer, or was a bigger bad guy than the others. We're seeing people get 1-2 year suspensions, or less. But they want a lifetime ban for Lance.

Actually, depending on what you believe there is a case that Armstrong, Johan and company took doping to a whole new level. And where much better at it than the others. So yes they where bigger badder guys. The guys who got caught were just amateurs at the doping game.

You know. If I ever find out that Jens Voigt was doping I'm going to be very very sad.
Ive ridden with lance, I lived in Austin and now Dallas for many years, and he's an amazing cyclist. But , to me and solely my opinion, was a jerk. But JENS he's a damn cool guy. Don't DOPE Jens. Maybe that's how he has 6 Kids!?!?

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