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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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craigj532 wrote:
aztri81 wrote:

  • USADA has an office in Colorado Springs, which just so happens to be 9 miles away from where the race expo tent is located. I'm guessing someone tipped off USADA, where due to the proximity it was not cost prohibitive to test and bust Anderson for her violation of the rules.
  • I wasted way too much time and effort researching and analyzing this matter to provide my two cents.


And yet you didn't take the time to read the numerous posts in this very thread that explain how and why drug testing was conducted at this race.

Perhaps I should have wasted more time then, for the following article posted in this thread would have been helpful: http://www.runnersworld.com/...on-adds-drug-testing. Thanks for letting me know I missed something on a ST thread.

On that note, with the publication that testing would be put in place going forward for this race, Anderson probably should have been aware of it. The light bulb should have gone off at some point for her, but it didn't. She failed the test and is suspended for a year; that seems like a fair result for everyone involved.
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [aztri81] [ In reply to ]
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So a year notice and it was a surprise to anyone?

It is always someone or something else's fault when someone gets caught.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [Printer] [ In reply to ]
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No, but we are a nation of SHEEP, being led by shepherds without a compass, moral or otherwise.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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Actually, I'm pretty sure WADA has a compass. It's just pointed in a different direction than yours.
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [owen.] [ In reply to ]
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If you want to understand how and why this has happened read "The Age of Acquiescence" by Fraser. Here: http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/...cence/9780316185431/

America is too busy looking a Kim K's tits and ass to give a shit any longer....

Anyway, I'd better stop with the politics as this will get moved to the Lavender Room. So, I'm done....

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:

Just like Moats did?

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Moats also had a mirror

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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ericM40-44 wrote:
h2ofun wrote:


Just like Moats did?

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Moats also had a mirror

Yep, and I have a mirror, so what are you saying?

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
so what are you saying?

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I'm saying you're a troll.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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reminds me of the movie Gone Girl.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [chanthony] [ In reply to ]
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Another thing... usada is going after mountain runners... which can have sometimes up to 5 competitors? They should stick focus to those trying for olympics where the doper can embarrass the country
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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kathy_caribe wrote:
xtrpickels wrote:



You know the conversation went like this:

Patient: Doc, I don't feel like I did when I was 30 anymore. I'm tired, I don't recover as well, I have hot flashes.
Doctor: Let me run some tests, oh look, you're low on hormones because of the natural process of aging... take this DHEA and you'll feel better.
Patient: Sign me up!


or maybe like this (honestly i have no dog in the fight but it seems like people don't have a clue how debilitating menopause symptoms can be):

pax: doc, i am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night. once i wake up i can't get back to sleep and i have trouble going to sleep in the first place. i have to bring multiple changes of clothing to work because i literally sweat through them in just 1 hot flash (seriously, i work at home and would change my clothing multiple times a day). i have brain fog where i'm worried i'm going to get fired because i no longer can remember people's names let alone work crap.

doc: ah, let me...

pax: and my heart is driving me insane wtih palpitations. i keep thinking i'm going to have a heart attack but i don't have the insurance/funds for a copay to constantly be told "its just menopause". and my husband is ready to leave me - we haven't had sex for 7 months because it just doesn't occur to me anymore and the dryness is debiltating...

doc: ah, HRT!!! YOU NEED HRT!!!

i'll admit this hits close to teh skin because i'm in the midst of 1 year of these "symptoms" and about ready to do HRT but i worry about breast cancer links to HRT... and i used to get sick as a dog when i used to use BCP so there is that too... after you've been dealing with these symptoms for months to years, you too will grasp at any magic a doctor might wave at you.

i don't want to be like i was 30 again but i would like to sleep. i would like to wear the same clothing for more than 2 hours at a time. i would like to workout and be able to recover. i would like to remember things again...


Getting old sucks.

But, none of this is abnormal or unnatural.
So, its a choice to take the medication.

I get it that its no fun, but it is what it is. Unless someone is willing to alter the natural course... then it is whatever you want it to be.

Personally, I'd like to be able to sleep through the night as well, train as much as I did before kids, be as strong as I was in my 20's, have higher bone density so that I wouldn't have broken a hip, wrist and collarbone in the past few years. We all have things we want... but I'm not going to give my kids away or take testosterone to achieve. I'm going to put my head down everyday and do the work with what I have. Everyone has their afflictions.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [doug in co] [ In reply to ]
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doug in co wrote:
just so. it's easy to run in the mountains on your own, without entering a race.. I do it all the time.. Kristi can still run in the mountains, just can't race while doping. Seems an open-and-shut case to me..

Actually she can. She was not sanctioned for "doping." She was sanctioned for not filling out TUE paperwork beforehand. So she will still be able to race while using a substance with no ergogenic benefit. In fact the PP race director said he will honor her comped entry.
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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nslckevin wrote:
kathy_caribe wrote:

i don't disagree that the FMTRI and USwhateverbody have antidoping standards. In my op i was simply pointing out that it is easy to not even consider that an herbal product you buy at Costco for menopause could have something that you need to check wtih WADA about. i was simply pointing out that it can be very easy to not even consider that you have a banned substance because you don't equate getting vitamins at Costco with doping.


That line of reasoning works for the average Joe who walks into the local GNC or even your average fun run or tri for fun person. For anybody who is even remotely serious about their sport it is willful ignorance. For somebody who is winning and or placing either overall or in their age group there is just no excuse. The only appropriate response to somebody at that level getting popped is a) I did it and I'm sorry. b) I monitor what I take, it must have been a contaminated supplement, but I understand that the responsibility still lies with me. c) lie like a rug.

Seriously, who does any of us know that is even remotely serious about their sport who hasn't heard of somebody getting popped and then heard all of the lame excuses. How can somebody hear those stories and STILL not even consider that supplements might be contaminated or might having listed ingredients and are illegal or not even think twice about prescribed medicines? .

well, sign me up for willful ignorance then since i took 2nd OA at a local tri and always podium in my AG. this is just a hobby for me - a way to keep in shape and stroke my ego when i beat young pups. i really have to laugh at the idea of this being serious because it is so not for me. i don't consider myself an ironman or a triathlete. i am just a mom, really, that is the best label i've ever had. since no-one seems to be able to fathom the idea that a person could walk into a store and pick up a supplement and never have it occur to them that OH SO EVIL, NOW YOU'RE A DOPER, i wanted to raise my hand and say, "yeah, just happened to me." So we'll have to add D to your list: I monitor what i take but it never occurred to me to check the supplement but responsibility lies with me. It is within the realm of possiblitity that this happened to her also but i honestly have no clue.

i simply wanted to voice the opinion and Fact (as it happened to me) that it is possible to have it not occur to you to check your supplements. so, to your last paragraph, here i am but then again, maybe i'm not serious enough.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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As for the topic of HRT for women, if the current rule sucks it needs to be modified, but until it is changed Kristi was busted fair and sqaure and if the DHEA allowed her to feel like a 42 year old rather than 51, then maybe that's exactly what WADA does not want. WADA does not want old men nor women on hormone replacement therapy beating young people because young people will use this stuff to beat other young people....so they just ban it all...it is imperfect fpr sure, but where do you draw the line?

i don't believe that HRT falls under any doping stuff but i don't know. perhaps we both misunderstood each other but it seemed to me that you voiced suspicion that she was doping as she knew she needed "hormones" and i just wanted to lyk that HRT is a fact of life for almost each and every pre to post menopausal woman. it is the standard. so that she would know is because it is All Over the Place - OB/GYN, magazines, etc. everyone is on it (well, almost everyone). just like some folks can't believe i don't check each and every product going into my mouth against a WADA list, I can't believe that not everyone knows that almost all western women go on HRT at a certain age.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
Another thing... usada is going after mountain runners... which can have sometimes up to 5 competitors? They should stick focus to those trying for olympics where the doper can embarrass the country[/quote

This has been covered. It was the race director's idea to bring testing to his races. He announced over a year ago that top-10 finishers would be randomly selected for testing. This was announced clearly on race registration.
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
doug in co wrote:

just so. it's easy to run in the mountains on your own, without entering a race.. I do it all the time.. Kristi can still run in the mountains, just can't race while doping. Seems an open-and-shut case to me..


Actually she can. She was not sanctioned for "doping." She was sanctioned for not filling out TUE paperwork beforehand. So she will still be able to race while using a substance with no ergogenic benefit. In fact the PP race director said he will honor her comped entry.


Wrong.
She is sanctioned for doping. You do not automatically get a TUE by just filling out paperwork. She used a prohibited substance, that is doping. It is not that hard to follow the rules.
Anderson, 51, tested positive for Dehydroepiandrosterone (“DHEA”) as a result of an in-competition urine sample she provided at the Pikes Peak Marathon held in Colorado Springs, Colo. on August 17, 2014. DHEA is substance in the class of Anabolic Agents prohibited under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing and the International Association of Athletics Federations (“IAAF”) Anti-Doping Rules, both of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List.
http://www.usada.org/us-track-field-athlete-anderson-accepts-sanction-rule-violation/




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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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ericM40-44 wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
so what are you saying?

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I'm saying you're a troll.

Thanks for the compliment.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
I get the feeling that most of the people here have never done a trail running race. They are casual.

They are also brutally competitive at the same time. Among the top 5% of bigger races like this it's absolutely not a fun run. People are there to win. I hope my handle gives me some trail-cred.
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Arch Stanton wrote:
I get the feeling that most of the people here have never done a trail running race. They are casual.


They are also brutally competitive at the same time. Among the top 5% of bigger races like this it's absolutely not a fun run. People are there to win. I hope my handle gives me some trail-cred.

Anyone that says a trail run is only full of folks who do not care about winning, times, etc are just, well,...

Races are races, period. No matter what the event is.

Now, maybe ping pong is casual? Or dart throwing? Or bowling?

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
doug in co wrote:

just so. it's easy to run in the mountains on your own, without entering a race.. I do it all the time.. Kristi can still run in the mountains, just can't race while doping. Seems an open-and-shut case to me..


Actually she can. She was not sanctioned for "doping." She was sanctioned for not filling out TUE paperwork beforehand. So she will still be able to race while using a substance with no ergogenic benefit. In fact the PP race director said he will honor her comped entry.

Um, bullshit. She was sanctioned for doping.

http://www.usada.org/...g/results/sanctions/

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You are just rationalizing what she did. If I get pulled over for speeding on a road that is unfamilar to me and I didn't see the speed limit sign, I'll get cited for speeding, not for failure to read the speed limit sign.

WADA/USADA doesn't and shouldn't care about intent, you get sanctioned for what you DID. I'm all for them going easy in certain circumstances, but her ignorance of the rules doesn't negate the fact that she had an illegal substance in her system.

I would agree that she probably isn't a "doper". i.e. she doesn't take DHEA with the purpose of cheating in mind. But it was still in her system and she should have known better.

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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To Kathy, this entire topic is about pointy end competition. You, I or anyone is more than welcome to take WADA banned substances for general health (directed by our GP etc) but then we relinquish the privilege to race. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

I agree, with a caveat. If you're a middle to back of pack triathlete who is in it more for the participatory experience than as a competition, then while the rules still apply, not too many people are really going to care all that much.
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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [AlanShearer] [ In reply to ]
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To Kathy, this entire topic is about pointy end competition. You, I or anyone is more than welcome to take WADA banned substances for general health (directed by our GP etc) but then we relinquish the privilege to race. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

I agree, with a caveat. If you're a middle to back of pack triathlete who is in it more for the participatory experience than as a competition, then while the rules still apply, not too many people are really going to care all that much.


What if these folks are drafting, getting outside assistance, etc? So the rules only are good for the front folks?

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Re: USADA Suspends Marathoner [trail] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
Another thing... usada is going after mountain runners... which can have sometimes up to 5 competitors? They should stick focus to those trying for olympics where the doper can embarrass the country[/quote

This has been covered. It was the race director's idea to bring testing to his races. He announced over a year ago that top-10 finishers would be randomly selected for testing. This was announced clearly on race registration.

Well then, perhaps a waiver prior to signing up for the race where you have to scroll through every substance, before clicking accept. Because I have a feeling caffiene is next... say some mormon RD in utah put on a race. It is a bit lame for the RD to up costs for drug testing in an amature race, I am also against the never ending inflation of race entries... It would be better if someone wants to snitch they front the cost of drug test for the participant they want to out. If said participant fails, they get their drug test fee rewarded back plus some award for the call out.

I love my coffee.
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synthetic wrote:
trail wrote:
synthetic wrote:
Another thing... usada is going after mountain runners... which can have sometimes up to 5 competitors? They should stick focus to those trying for olympics where the doper can embarrass the country[/quote

This has been covered. It was the race director's idea to bring testing to his races. He announced over a year ago that top-10 finishers would be randomly selected for testing. This was announced clearly on race registration.


Well then, perhaps a waiver prior to signing up for the race where you have to scroll through every substance, before clicking accept. Because I have a feeling caffiene is next... say some mormon RD in utah put on a race. It is a bit lame for the RD to up costs for drug testing in an amature race, I am also against the never ending inflation of race entries... It would be better if someone wants to snitch they front the cost of drug test for the participant they want to out. If said participant fails, they get their drug test fee rewarded back plus some award for the call out.

I love my coffee.

What on earth are you blabbing on about? There was a 16K prize list at the race and you're whining about the RD doing drug testing?

Your complete non sequitur regarding caffeine and Mormon RD's is just stupid. They employed USADA to do the testing, who does so with respect to the WADA guidelines. The regulations are readily accessible.

It says this right on the entry page:
Drug Testing
As a participant in the Pikes Peak Ascent and/or Marathon you are subject to drug testing pursuant to USDA standards and procedures, and you acknowledge this notification and your willingness to be so tested.

Do you really need more hand holding? Should the RD fly out to the house of each participant and read the list of prohibited substances to them?

I seriously don't get all of the hand wringing over this, besides the fact that people are just so stupid that they following the narrative they've been fed about the "poor mom in tennis shoes".
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