I must be a real doper with the number of hours I train and only do Olympic distance stuff. :)

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I think everyone agrees that dopers work hard. Maybe harder than most. As they are willing to put everything on the line including their integrity to win. They don't do it to replace hard work but to add the extra edge.

Just being a smart ass Dave :-)

Happy Super Bowl!

But you have a link for Boom nutrition and a discount code listed in your signature...

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The smoke, mirrors, and logic are the same whether is cycling or swimming or track and field or UFC or just about any other sport when somebody gets a positive result...

I didn't know it was in what I was taking.

I worked harder.

I changed my entire approach to training.

I cleaned up my diet.

I changed my cadence.

My coach gave it to me.

And I'm not making a judgement with the above statement one way or another. People have claimed for a long time that triathlon is clean. Mainly because there was no real testing program in long distance. And yet, even without a real testing program through the "EPO era" of cycling, there were a few busts here and there in tri. But with no robust testing program how were we to know? Triathlon could simply claim that there haven't been that many positive tests which was (and is) basicially true.

Now there is a testing program for long course that started around 2010 (maybe a year or two later), and like Dan said above there still is not a robust results management program. Maybe (with a grain of salt) with the WTC/ITU partnership it will get better but positives, especially at the highest level, are bad for business.

So we get a few positives, and we see the above responses to a test. I'm not disagreeing with cross-contamination defense. Salt tablets were the issues 10+ years ago with at least 2 other athletes, who did not end up receiving a suspension. And we get the nice person, etc. reasoning because the assumption is that only jerks cheat or that I spend time with that person they couldn't do it under my nose.

Dan has written extensively about it. And he has been accused, rightly so, of defending athletes in question too much. He has admitted it in this thread. The system is not set up against the athlete. I'd argue that if anything it is set up in favor of the athlete. As pros, the onus is on the athlete to know what they are ingesting. And, it's also incumbent on an athlete who has tested positive (A sample and B sample) to show that it is some biological/physiological (that's been used) reason that they did or show other proof (like cross contamination) that it was an inaccurate result. That the smoke and mirrors were not smoke and mirrors but logic and proof.

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So? Are they sold as supplements? I have to eat something while racing, and Boom gels have always worked for me since I take nothing else in a race but water.

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Gels are every bit as much a supplement as salt.

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If the investigation is ongoing then you cannot name the company/salt manufacturer...

The investigation must be over and everything all finalised otherwise the bans couldn't have been given.

"Pro Women"

Fuck that term gets thrown around way too easily these days in the age of instagram.

If they were...this wouldn't of happened.

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Why? what do you mean this wouldn't have happened?

 
If you're a professional - you do your diligence. Unfortunately these silly muppets are just playing at it.

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Summarised perfectly.

unless they took it on purpose.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

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Careful!

Really? You don't see the problem here, or the contradiction? Please define a "supplement". These were (ostensibly) salt tablets for fucks sake, common as muck in our sport, often to be found strapped to handlebars in little dispensers. No different than racing with gels carrying industrially produced electrolytes, surely?

Have you fooled yourself into believing that the not "sold as supplements" gels you buy are totally natural products, because they use real fruit juices? Which tree does Potassium Benzoate grow on, please? Where do they harvest their malic acid?

Here are some malic acid salts which are added to the gels you take when you race. Looks kind of supplementy to me.



Pros ought to be more careful, for sure. But let's think about our own actions before casting judgement.


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INGREDIENTS
Maltodextrin, Water, Pineapple Syrup, Concord and Red Grape Concentrates, Natural Flavors, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Citrate, Sea Salt, Citric Acid, Tartaric Acid, Malic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Potassium Benzoate.

I think they meant any potential suit investigation.

I'm a "salt" user myself and was very curious as to which salt products these athletes used. I wish they'd just come out and name the product since so many other athletes could end up in the same situation of "unknowingly" using "contaminated" salt. I use Salt Stick and quickly went to their website to check their manufacturing and testing protocol. They should bump this to their front page in wake of this recent ban involving salt products : http://saltstick.com/...rug-testing/#testing
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I beleive one of the athletes (Barnett) was using Neurolytes (https://classifiednutrition.com/...olytes-100-capsules/). I'd never heard of the brand until yesterday and I imagine most other people haven't either.

Maybe I'm a skeptic but reading Beth Gerdes blog post makes her look worse, the WTC didn't buy what she is trying to sell so I don't know why I should either when they have significantly more information regarding this situation than I ever will. Not saying she did or didn't intentionally take a banned substance but her blog post reeks of 'woe is me'.

Perhaps the athletes have lawyers who are telling them to keep the name of the manufacturer quiet while they work out a settlement.

Mislabeling, contamination and false advertising are illegal. Even if the presence of the banned substance is in the salt tablets as a result of contamination in the manufacturing process, it is, at the least, negligence on the part of the manufacturer and actionable. Our tort system, including the ability of plaintiff's attorneys to charge contingent fees, may have the best, sometimes only, regulatory effect on industry. If these athletes used tablets from a bottle labeled "salt tablets," read the ingredients and saw no mention of ostarine, then they should absolutely sue to recover for the damages to their livelihood and reputation and to cause the manufacturer to meet its duty to provide uncontaminated products.

Clearly not a professional writer ;) what due diligence should they have done. I agree the brand name in Lauren's case is a little sketch

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I think the BIGGER question in all this is why the athlete was using Neurolytes when they are/were sponsored by Nuun:

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