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Anyone have any details on what happened? All I have seen are some social media posts and an online news flash from some PR news site but all have lacked details.

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GMAN19030 wrote:
Anyone have any details on what happened? All I have seen is some social media posts and an online new flash from some PR news site but all have lacked details.


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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone have any details on what happened? All I have seen is some social media posts and an online new flash from some PR news site but all have lacked details.

Friend was hit by shrapnel in the leg from a spectator opening fire on course. Man behind her was hit 3x. Police have suspect in custody, friend is being treated and is ok, no reports on man that was hit 3x.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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A shootout was staged around 8:00 am today in the Express Muñoz Rivera, near the Department of Justice in Miramar with one dead and a couple of athletes who pedaled their bicycles in the "Ironman 70.3 event Puerto Rico "wounded innocent victims.
A third native athlete from New Hampshire to get the shots missed the balance of the bike and if on an anthill, resulting bites. Although he continued in the event a while after he fainted in the oasis Housed in a Levittown.

An agent of the Uniformed who participated in the persecution of the gunmen in the Residential Manuel A. Pérez suffered an episode of hypertension.

Amid the shootout to the astonishment of citizens who watched the development of the sport several officers tried to intervene with the gunmen giving rise to a shootout. At least one Patrilla Police found with multiple gunshot wounds.

The man who was shot dead was a passenger in a Toyota bus that was abandoned in the street Olimpo steps from the Department of Justice. The bus was driven by his brother. It was said that both are neighbors Residencial El Prado, and had been living in the US where they returned recently.

Highway Patrol officers chased the gunmen traveling in a Ford Focus to the vicinity of Residential Manuel A. Pérez, where they were lost.

Subsequently, a Toyota "Four Runner" guagua linked to the gunmen was occupied in Logroño Street in Hato Rey.

This is the fifth time that the island is home to the "IronMan 70.3 Puerto Rico", an event bringing together 1,800 athletes from 50 countries worldwide and was scheduled to start at 6:50 am
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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bcagle25 wrote:
GMAN19030 wrote:
Anyone have any details on what happened? All I have seen is some social media posts and an online new flash from some PR news site but all have lacked details.


Friend was hit by shrapnel in the leg from a spectator opening fire on course. Man behind her was hit 3x. Police have suspect in custody, friend is being treated and is ok, no reports on man that was hit 3x.

I would like to clear up that it was not a spectator who opened fire. It was a crossfire between two cars unrelated to the event. One of the persons in the car was shot dead by the other car.
The male triathlete shot is a friend and is in stable condition. It appears that he will be ok.

I hope that this unfortunate and isolated incident doesn't cast a shadow on what is a great race.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [donzist] [ In reply to ]
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Still fucked right up.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [realAlbertan] [ In reply to ]
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Still fucked right up.

That's an understatement!


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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [donzist] [ In reply to ]
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For those from outside the US it will change perceptions. The US is has a high tolerance for gun violence.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.
I agree, no thanks

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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bcagle25 wrote:
GMAN19030 wrote:
Anyone have any details on what happened? All I have seen is some social media posts and an online new flash from some PR news site but all have lacked details.


Friend was hit by shrapnel in the leg from a spectator opening fire on course. Man behind her was hit 3x. Police have suspect in custody, friend is being treated and is ok, no reports on man that was hit 3x.

Yikes, I hope Liz is ok in the end and it doesn't turn into some thing worse.


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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [realAlbertan] [ In reply to ]
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No, in the USA we DO NOT have a "tolerance" for gun violence.
It's a big country, the US constitution guarantees the "right to bear arms" and there is violence.
There isn't anyone on this forum who will agree that this sort of behavior is acceptable and to be tolerated.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.

This, along with equally terrible things, could happen pretty much anywhere and do happen everywhere.


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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [STConcierge] [ In reply to ]
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No, in the USA we DO NOT have a "tolerance" for gun violence.
It's a big country, the US constitution guarantees the "right to bear arms" and there is violence.
There isn't anyone on this forum who will agree that this sort of behavior is acceptable and to be tolerated.
KS[/quote

PR is the USA. And, with all of the shooting and killing that happens all over this country every day, we must agree that it is acceptable and tolerated.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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I had teammate near the shooting. Police made them stop and drop to ground for several minutes.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Sweeney wrote:
STConcierge wrote:
No, in the USA we DO NOT have a "tolerance" for gun violence.

It's a big country, the US constitution guarantees the "right to bear arms" and there is violence.
There isn't anyone on this forum who will agree that this sort of behavior is acceptable and to be tolerated.
KS[/quote

PR is the USA. And, with all of the shooting and killing that happens all over this country every day, we must agree that it is acceptable and tolerated.

Child sex slavery happens every day. Is that acceptable and tolerated?
Rapes happen every day. Is that acceptable and tolerated?
Murder happens every day. Is that acceptable and tolerated?

There is an equilibrium level of crime, but that doesn't mean we just accept and tolerate it. Do you not lock your car door when you leave it? Do you not lock your house up when you leave? Then there are neighborhood watch programs, etc. etc. etc.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [ptakeda] [ In reply to ]
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Did I read that correctly, they out ran the cops in a Ford Focus? The only thing more amazing if it were a Toyota Prius.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Liz posted on her FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/liz.boivin?fref=ts

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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RallySavage wrote:
I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.

Please say you are joking. I think you are far more likely to be shot anywhere int he US than at an IM in Puerto Rico.
I assume you won't ever be doing the Boston Marathon then.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
RallySavage wrote:
I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.


Please say you are joking. I think you are far more likely to be shot anywhere int he US than at an IM in Puerto Rico.
I assume you won't ever be doing the Boston Marathon then.

Personally I would not be dissuaded to race there next year as I would let stats decide what I do. Chances of another shootout on race day are probably just as high here in Ottawa as they are in San Juan....it's one of those things that is covered in the Poisson distribution chapter in 1st year statistics....the arrival rate of the next event is uncorrelated with when the last one happened. The events happen on average at a certain interval, but that's just the average.....so the shooting in San Juan will happen at an average rate and have nothing to do with this shooting at the 70.3. The shootings here at home, will also happen at the same average....the key is the word average.

Here ya go from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/...oisson_distribution:

In probability theory and statistics, the Poisson distribution (French pronunciation [pwasɔ̃]; in English usually/ˈpwɑːsɒn/), named after French mathematician Siméon Denis Poisson, is a discrete probability distribution that expresses the probability of a given number of events occurring in a fixed interval of time and/or space if these events occur with a known average rate and independently of the time since the last event.[1] The Poisson distribution can also be used for the number of events in other specified intervals such as distance, area or volume.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [realAlbertan] [ In reply to ]
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For those from outside the US it will change perceptions. The US is has a high tolerance for gun violence.

Not when it comes to law abiding citizens.
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
M~ wrote:
RallySavage wrote:
I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.


Please say you are joking. I think you are far more likely to be shot anywhere int he US than at an IM in Puerto Rico.
I assume you won't ever be doing the Boston Marathon then.


Personally I would not be dissuaded to race there next year as I would let stats decide what I do. Chances of another shootout on race day are probably just as high here in Ottawa as they are in San Juan....it's one of those things that is covered in the Poisson distribution chapter in 1st year statistics....the arrival rate of the next event is uncorrelated with when the last one happened. The events happen on average at a certain interval, but that's just the average.....so the shooting in San Juan will happen at an average rate and have nothing to do with this shooting at the 70.3. The shootings here at home, will also happen at the same average....the key is the word average.

Here ya go from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/...oisson_distribution:

In probability theory and statistics, the Poisson distribution (French pronunciation [pwasɔ̃]; in English usually/ˈpwɑːsɒn/), named after French mathematician Siméon Denis Poisson, is a discrete probability distribution that expresses the probability of a given number of events occurring in a fixed interval of time and/or space if these events occur with a known average rate and independently of the time since the last event.[1] The Poisson distribution can also be used for the number of events in other specified intervals such as distance, area or volume.

People's perception of risk are usually influenced by the emotional response to the worst case. This is a natural self-perseveration mechanism, likely embedded deep in our brains. Taken to it's extreme, we all can sit on the couch and watch (safe) TV. Until some poor slob has a plane crash into the house and wipe out the family, what do we do then???

Me? I acknowledge the sadness for those suffering and honor their effort by emulating their "getting out there." Hiding isn't living - and PR may or may not be statistically safer than your back yard; but, dollars to donuts we're going to be talking decimal point differences. Cost of the event influences my going there - not the odds that a meteorite would hit me or a stray bullet.

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [manofthewoods] [ In reply to ]
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Lots of places like this you can tell me what is was like, I am staying closer to home. :)

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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [manofthewoods] [ In reply to ]
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manofthewoods wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
M~ wrote:
RallySavage wrote:
I was watching the finish line live and thinking how I might consider this race next year, not now.


Please say you are joking. I think you are far more likely to be shot anywhere int he US than at an IM in Puerto Rico.
I assume you won't ever be doing the Boston Marathon then.


Personally I would not be dissuaded to race there next year as I would let stats decide what I do. Chances of another shootout on race day are probably just as high here in Ottawa as they are in San Juan....it's one of those things that is covered in the Poisson distribution chapter in 1st year statistics....the arrival rate of the next event is uncorrelated with when the last one happened. The events happen on average at a certain interval, but that's just the average.....so the shooting in San Juan will happen at an average rate and have nothing to do with this shooting at the 70.3. The shootings here at home, will also happen at the same average....the key is the word average.

Here ya go from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/...oisson_distribution:

In probability theory and statistics, the Poisson distribution (French pronunciation [pwasɔ̃]; in English usually/ˈpwɑːsɒn/), named after French mathematician Siméon Denis Poisson, is a discrete probability distribution that expresses the probability of a given number of events occurring in a fixed interval of time and/or space if these events occur with a known average rate and independently of the time since the last event.[1] The Poisson distribution can also be used for the number of events in other specified intervals such as distance, area or volume.


People's perception of risk are usually influenced by the emotional response to the worst case. This is a natural self-perseveration mechanism, likely embedded deep in our brains. Taken to it's extreme, we all can sit on the couch and watch (safe) TV. Until some poor slob has a plane crash into the house and wipe out the family, what do we do then???

Me? I acknowledge the sadness for those suffering and honor their effort by emulating their "getting out there." Hiding isn't living - and PR may or may not be statistically safer than your back yard; but, dollars to donuts we're going to be talking decimal point differences. Cost of the event influences my going there - not the odds that a meteorite would hit me or a stray bullet.

Wishing the best to all...


but but but....a metorite might hit your airplane on the flight over to San Juan, so you better stay at home in case some ISIS dude hijacks a Jordanian fighter jet and flies it over the Atlantic and has his buddies hijack a KC-130 refueling aircraft to do the mid air refueling so he does not crash into the Atlantic but instead is able to reach your house and crash into it while you are responding to posts on ST in the comfort of home....as ridiculous as this scenario sounds, it is probably just as equally insane as chosing to stay at home BECAUSE a crime has taken place in some location where a race happens to be. I am not condoning crime, and feel really bad for the athletes who were hurt, but bad things can happen anywhere.

Here are the firearm related deaths per 100,000 population per year: United Kingdom 0.25, Canada ~2, US ~10, South Afica ~ 20, Colomibia 28, Venezuela 50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Re: Two athletes shot at Puerto Rico 70.3 [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I just found a rate of 19.22 per 100k for PR. NY has a rate of 4.2, so yes, statistically speaking I would be approximately 4.6 less likely to be hit by stay bullets by racing in NY. But hey, this is America and this is ''just another nut with a gun'' and ''there is nothing you can do about a nut with a gun''. Might as well move on. Tomorrow there will be another shooting to talk about.

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