What does this mean? Sorry, I have no imagination.

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For me, part of the issue is the victim might not decide the punishment.
This is not a legal example so I know it is different but; I was at a work dinner with a number of people and a Senior leader made an off color joke directed at me. It was in really poor taste and pretty bad judgement on his part. I planned to talk to him about it one on one when we returned to the office on Monday. But before I could do that he was terminated. Someone else had reported it, it was verified by another person at the dinner and that was that. I was called into HR so they could let me know it was taken care of. I said "well I planned to discuss with him today and while it was a jerk comment, I would never think that he would or should lose his job for it" I was kind of told "others were offended so action was taken"
This was not a racist, or sexist or religious or any other "ist" joke. I was a White straight male making a joke at the expense of another white straight male. Locker room talk would be the best way to describe it.
My only point is, I feel the reporter should have some say in what the punishment should be, and there is a good chance she will not, if his employer fires him, does she think that is fair? Court? Registered Sex offender? To Slowman's point, very likely the punishment will be much worse for this guy because it was on film and live TV.
Words can not express how dumb this was on the runners part, and he does deserve to be punished or counselled or something with some level of input from the reporter.
Maybe I am wrong, but if I were to guess at what would be the most effective way to have others not repeat this mistake, make him come on the news and discuss the event, with the reporter, and if he apologizes and if she accepts, we move on.

I don't think anyone should be slapped by a stranger either. But I also believe this is a tempest in a teapot and does not require prosecution or the social destruction of this man's life.

He deserves a good finger wag, and he's gotten it.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Ugh. We definitely are not. Today is the first time I've read anything on LetsRun, and I came away with the distinct impression that many of those users would abolish women's suffrage. I wouldn't recommend going over there.....

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[/quote]On the contrary, I'm confident women don't uniformly feel the same way about this incident or even about this issue.[/quote]

That is unfortunate and I’ve called out women on this behavior, too. Sexual assault happens to males, too, and is drastically underreported.

Women have been on the disproportionate receiving end of this objectification and are finding their voices. More stories about the opposite are coming out and adding to the discussion. It is not only about physical strength differences, but it does unfortunately (and inappropriately) play a part in interpreting the potential harm. We’re saying enough is enough ... regardless of your intention you have no right to touch my body without permission. Regardless of gender or age or color or size or any other feature.

We’ll make more progress when we are inclusive on the concepts of assault and consent.

Social media can certainly be cruel and destructive, emanating from the devices of the most powerful on down. It would be great to read that the guy has already apologized face to face to the reporter.

Well done. I hope you can incorporate this into your world view going forward.

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If a dude made the same "What the absolute FUCK??!!!" face she did, it would certainly be a thing

Or should be anyway

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Technically, its defined as "unlawful sexual contact". Just served on a jury on a similar case of unwanted touching.

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That's your prerogative and it's healthy for you to respond in that manner. I happen to feel the exact same way, insofar as it concerns slapping my ass. But you have to understand that we can't impose our sense of comfort onto other people, who have had very different experiences in life. Women have very different experiences, professionally, growing up and on a daily basis than men do. And these differences affect how we interpret other peoples' behavior toward us. But even if there was no sociological component involved, it's still unreasonable to suggest what another individual should or shouldn't be offended by.

Would you be okay with another guy grabbing your crotch? What about rubbing his crotch on you when you bend over to tie your shoe? What if another guy grabbed your wife/daughter/sister/mother's butt or breasts? Regardless of whether the offender of those behaviors is cool with it happening to him, the rest of us agree that there are clear violations including objectification, overt sexualization and assault.

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"I'm sorry your honor, I had to let her die. I didn't have consent to perform chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth."

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Good post. I think that completely addresses my previous comment.

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Come on now trent. You know the difference, and I certainly won't be the first to point that out. I'm sure you can find a more realistic example than that.

In fact, if you just "let her die", you'd likely face prosecution. Unless, of course, you could demonstrate that you were concerned for your safety. You might want to read up on that ;-)

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This guy was physically, sexually aggressive towards this woman, because he thought that she was not in a position to do anything about it and it makes him feel powerful. American society has decided to give women tools to deter this kind of assault by making it against the law. American certainly has things screwed up about it, but the fact that our society has decided to reject this behavior is not one of those things.

Comparing this to a husband grabbing his wife's bum is so absurd I don't even know how to respond. It shows some sort of abject lack of social intelligence.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems clear to me that it is either sexual battery or assault, depending on how Georgia defines these things.

I saw on marathon investigation that this guy is a youth church minister. A guy who is willing to exercise this kind of unwanted sexual aggression towards someone in public is certainly willing to go even further in private. Giving this person the kind of power and influence a youth minister has over children is truly frightening.

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www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
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Well I thought I knew the difference, but I'm told my intentions don't matter. Now apparently, they do.

Good thing you folks weren't in charge in 1962 when that kid in The Sandlot pranked the lifeguard to steal a kiss. Instead of marrying her, he'd still be breaking rocks in Canon City with Ted Kaczynski.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Precisely the way I feel about Internet posters who want the guy's life destroyed. Just imagine if these aspiring tyrants were in charge!

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Trent Nix
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well - as long as it was gentle and didnt hurt. Like a pleasant tickle. If he did the second part - I would be like bro, Im not paying you for that. If it was someone who grabbed my sisters or moms rear end - I would say to everyone around, "ladies and gentleman, he wont make it round 2 with my sister as he gets knocked the f*ck out"...if it was my mom - I would knock him the f*ck out and say "guilty" when the judge asks how I plead.

now to quote the great Dave Chappelle: “The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true, Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't even forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is fucking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.”

I've come to understand over the years that a disturbingly high number of women I know have experienced real and terrible sexual assault and rape. But for a bunch of reasons, many have kept it secret from almost everybody. Acceptance of the kind of behavior in this video is part of the reason some men feel empowered to go even further. And it's the terrible experiences that many women have had in the past that make this kind of aggression much worse for them than it may seem on the surface to many men.

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www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook

The butt-slapper must be crucified or he's going to be a rapist. Or, at least, someone else will.

Is that what you're really saying? Because that's how it reads.

I'd like to assume better of you, but you've already insinuated he's a danger to children (and all after observing three seconds of his behavior in a video).

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

This guy did this knowing he was on live television. I don't think he has much room to complain about the publicity of it. If this were in the 80's, when basically everyone watched the local news in the evening, even more people in his community might know about it rather than it being one of 6 million outrageous things on twitter that day.

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Ed O'Malley
www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook

No. I'm saying that the butt slapping in and of itself is worse than it may seem to us men who do not have the terrible experiences that so many women have.

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www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook

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Reminds me of the three female hosts of The Today Show thinking it was just fine to grope the Tongan Olympian in Rio..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PV9G3X5gAA

Think there a few points being made:

one his act deserves to be punished

we have seen examples where the law does crazy thins eg going to the toilet while on a bike ride

where are we going with this. Playing basketball in 90's got to free throw line team veteran pats my bottom, stop game call cops have him arrested.

https://www.theguardian.com/...rgebush.olympics2008

Beach players pat bums after a good point or even bad one. Are we going to post feeds from games and have same outrage.

I'm confused, are you comparing this to a situation where a woman asks a man to pat her on the bottom?

And for teammates who know eachother playing a game together, that would generally be a different situation because you would know ahead of time that the contact is welcome.

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Ed O'Malley
www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook

no.

I'm highlighting the fact you don't know the teamate will consent in the beach game. I did not consent to being patted on rump in b ball.

no please be consistent and start a thread to track down that other player,I can name him and you can all shame him.