I'm getting some iceskates cause hell must have frozen over...

Uhhh i'm getting a bomb shelter becuae the end of teh world must be coming.

The world has not ended, hell has not reached 32F, and I am not going to switch to clinchers, nor will I recommend anyone to do so. Tubs STILL rule, just clinchers DO have their place.

The clincher/tuby war is like old women agruing over nothing, or men agruing over chevy/ford/dodge. When is it going to end?

Bravo Bunnyman,

I believe clinchers vs tubs is like a timex vs rolex. They both get the job done, one just ticks a little better. I should state I am a timex man myself.

Yup, the timex keeps better time too.

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Say it ain't so Bunnyman.

And what about integrated headsets?

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Don't get me wrong- I will NEVER buy a clincher race wheel if I can help it, and I will always promote tubulars as the only way to go when you are wanting a great racing wheelset.

But, for the young kid who has a low-paying job and/or is in college and is dirt poor, I am not going to put him/her onto tubulars. Wait until they get more money and then get a great set of racing wheels.

I will still say that winners race tubulars.

I will never get on board with integrated headsets, either.

I am not endorsing clinchers wholesale by any means. I just said that they do have their place.

I prefer an automatic movement watch, even though they can be a real pain in the butt. I would not even put the tub vs. clincher debate in the same class as a Rolex vs. Timex. Rolex vs. Timex is extreme craftsmanship, marvel in mechanical engineering with no batteries and enduring beauty vs. extreme utilitarianism, robotic and flawless (so long as batteries are changed) function with no regard to aesthetics. The people who own a Rolex or other automatic movement watch know full and well that it's like owning a Mercedes or BMW- the service is what always gets you. Service it well and it will last a lifetime; don't service it and you suddenly have a very expensive bracelet that serves no other function. They usually have a quartz movement watch tucked away so that they can have a watch while their Rolex is gone to Switzerland (about six weeks) for servicing.

I have hashed it out over and over again. I just want to be civil and not be elitist. I know why they are better, I have posted on this subject a zillion times.

Although I respect your desire not to be elitist, I have one thing to say.

I used to hear the same thing from people I went to university with (i.e. that being elitist is wrong). My answer to them? "Then why are you here?"

Always strive to be your best - those who can't measure up will call you an elitist no matter what.

mp

To those with a University eduction (no offense to those of you with one) I have only to say..never confuse education with intelligence. I know some very inteeligent people with no degrees and some pretty large morons that do. Having a piece of paper that says you spent four more years of time (and money) in school doesn't necessarily mean you're any smarter for the experience.

I never have, and never will, confuse education with experience. However, the very act of attending university is, by definition (not everyone gets to go) an attempt to join an "elite" group. It is not my contention that those who don't go to university are any less intelligent than those who do, on an individual basis (although this may be true in the aggregate).

I, too, know lots of smart people who didn't go to university - they simply look for different ways to become "elite".

My point is simply that there is nothing wrong with being elitist, as all it means to me is that you value and celebrate achievement (in yourself and others).

mp

I think most people define "elitism" as snobbery. I went to college just so I could get a job that pays a little better. Not so I could consider myself a snob.

And as someone who works in the Facilities group at a fairly large university, I can echo the statement that intelligence and education are completely different. Our entry level maintenance guys who have not spent a day in college have more practial knowledge than our PhD researchers.