Hammer Down wrote:
Ai_1 wrote:
Shambolic wrote:
It's funny all the people objecting don't listen to all the podium girls who have a great life experience and get to meet a lot of people they may never have. Society too PC in my opinion but that's just me.
Clearly you're view is that it's about the podium girls themselves being exploited. I really don't think that's what concerns most people. Certainly not me. The job is there, some will take it. It may be enjoyable, lucrative, provide opportunities, whatever..... that's not the point.
The point is the reason for the job to exist and how it reflects on, and influences society.
Pose women in roles where they are there as nothing but "eye candy" and you're reinforcing the idea that this is what women are good for and that it's legitimate to expect women to make themselves attractive and subservient. From that perspective it doesn't matter whether the women concerned are exploited, well paid, love the job, or otherwise..... it matters what role they play and how it's perceived. Their well-being is important. Healthy society is more important.
While I mostly post this as a joke:
"Societies needs come before the individual's needs." -Adolf Hitler
It can be argued that we run into a little trouble when we let a loud minority dictate what is best for everyone else. That is my main issue with Pc culture.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" -Spock
Both quotes are no more than a distraction. Both are simple assertions without rationale. And whether they were said by Hitler, Spock or me is irrelevant to their legitimacy. So I'm going to ignore quotes if that's okay.
However, I do agree that a loud minority shouldn't hold sway. I also firmly believe that "PC" orthodoxy is as much a hazard as a solution to societal problems. I believe compassion, integrity and open argument are the route to fairness and avoidance of the pitfalls you mention. That's why I am so frustrated when people intentionally misconstrue another's position or fail to provide rationale for their own, as may be obvious ;).
I have no interest in correctness for show. I want fairness as far as it's possible to provide it, and transparency of motive from those thwarting it. This is of course at odds with commercial priorities.
In this particular case, I am far from convinced that there is a loud minority arguing over something silly, as many seem to suggest. I think those who pose this as an issue about the well being of the women employed as podium girls are utterly misconstruing the argument. I don't have any major concerns about those individuals, nor is my argument in any way undermined by them liking the job they're doing. Why would it be?
I see a conflict between the supposed aspiration to equality and respect, the outrage against those who disrespect or abuse women in various ways every day, and the reality of putting women on display purely as sexual objects. These are not compatible without some real mental gymnastics. Of course human beings are great at those, but they have nasty consequences.