Sad.

Some of the best roads I have ever been on (well maintained, scenic, good shoulders, mountain climbs to about 12 feet above sea level) are driven by a bunch slack-jawed locals.

Exactly what I'm talking about. First of all, what you describe is traffic. "Traffic" is not only heavily congested traffic. In fact, more crashes occur in light traffic, perhaps because motorists and cyclists are less guarded then.

Why would you be only half a pedal left of the white line? That's the epitome of edge riding. You're practically inviting them to squeeze into the lane with you, and then you wonder why they pass so closely?

As if full lane use is not about safety. It is! All your experience of being mistreated and nearly killed by motorists is from thousands of miles of edge riding. Cyclists who use the full lane by default report much better results. But you insist we might be right until we're dead right. Never mind all the edge cyclists who keep getting hit and killed. Fine. Suit yourself. But please don't criticize those of us who find we are much safer using the full lane.

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Because I've tried it your way and it's not a smart thing to do ... they just pull around to the MIDDLE of the road and squeeze you off no matter WHERE you are, with much noise and fury

To them, it's not about passing, because they DON'T pass right away ... they match your speed, maybe get a little ahead, then gradually move you over... it's about taking out a cyclist

And if you hit the brakes, and let them get along? They'll just pull off, wait till you go by and play some more

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Riding on the side, I have found them to be more tolerant, and some give much more leeway, THAT is my safe place, so don't criticize ME either. OK?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

This one is especially nice around Halloween

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I don't get it. That is such a great place to ride and almost every time I go out there the same thing happens.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Know that one well! Gives new meaning to "watch your six".

You've tried it my way? What kind of mirror do you use?

Almost always when people say (and genuinely believe) they tried it "my way" it turns out they've gone left about as far as the right tire track, and without a mirror. No monitoring rearward. No communication. No releasing. Maybe that's the case with you, or maybe you've actually tried my way: riding out near the left tire track, monitoring rearward with a mirror, acknowledging motorists as they approach, and releasing when it's safe and reasonable.

In any case, where?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtoAg4mx0wU

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I'd say that's almost clear of the Pine Barrens. It's south of Weymouth, right?

Got it. Don't ride in the bike lanes, ride in the middle of the road instead.

I'll inform the local bike coalitions to stop their idiotic campaigns to add more bike lanes because that'll only get more cyclists killed.

(yup - most of the coalitions are ill-informed, and prey on fear. They pull tricks from the NRA playbook.)

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Actually, I love riding in traffic. Well, I don't love it like I do riding beautiful open roads, but it doesn't phase me whatsoever. Also, I should add, when I ride in downtown traffic, I ride extremely defensively, my head is on a swivel, and I always make strong eye contact, give clear, easily recognizable verbal or visual cues, and generally, cover my ass as much as possible. I will never go on a 'training ride' in traffic, because I know I would be working too hard, and prone to errors in judgement/not being attentive etc. Plus, there's just too much stop and go to get a good workout in.

I'm playing in their world, and even if they are in the wrong and I'm in the right, I'm the one ending up dead if there's an accident. That's the mindset I have when I ride during rush hour or heavily traffic areas. Riding so far left that you're in their left tire track zone.... I don't know man, whatever floats your boat. Obviously, no one here is going to be changing your mind. I know that, unless I'm working my way through down town or something and I'm moving the same speed as traffic through short, stop and go city blocks, there is no chance in hell I'm attempting that because, after 20 years of riding I can confidently say that in most cases, at least around here, that is just a really, really dumb move.

Carry on. Hope you enjoy tomorrow's ride in your imaginary utopia of friendly, patient drivers who love slowing down by 30kph to wait for cyclists to release them!

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Exactly.

Here's one of those idiotic "protected" bikeways they're demanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeZXRBRJOo

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my head is on a swivel


Hockey player. Defense.

You know it's not just me "imagining" this "utopia", right? We create it by how we ride, everywhere we ride.

Hours of video examples:
https://www.youtube.com/user/CyclistLorax

Explanatory/educational essay:
http://cyclingsavvy.org/hows-my-driving/


Facebook advocacy:
https://www.facebook.com/...TrafficLane/?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/iamtrafficorg/?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/...ngSavvy.org/?fref=ts

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Yes, I guess it is; being between Vineland and EHT

I'm just above Hammonton; most of the CRs I ride start with 5s

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

If it's news, then it must be news...


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Welcome to the Church of Briantriology!

Ha ha. Well played. But please don't think avoiding debris is the only, or even main, reason to prefer full lane use by default over edge riding by default.

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Yes. I ride on the 5s, too. Great roads.

How is everybody? Staying safe?

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Seriously, I'd rather have a conversation with a Trumpie about the memo than go through this again.

I thought we were all riding our Tron Bikes on Zwift now, rendering this thread moot

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Amateur recreational hobbyist cyclist
https://www.strava.com/athletes/337152
https://vimeo.com/user11846099

Despite over a thousand passes along this stretch since that day I have yet to see...

1. Debris on the side of the road.

2. Another cyclist in the middle of traffic going east at sunrise.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I'm just aware of this post. I would punch this motherfucker in the face. Someone has to teach him a lesson.