Sorry for being confused (new to time zones), has this happened and thats the recording or its on in a little bit

the current race just started is now what's showing in the video in the 1st post.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Women's race is 15 min in. Any idea why the world isn't 'closed' (why other avatars are visible)?

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KJ
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Audio choppiness from the commentators is pretty bad. Not as interesting to watch on mute but also super distracting when the commentators are constantly dropping in and out. Bummer.

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you can program it either way. in our scheduled events on slowtwitch we can choose whether other riders are visible. i don't believe you can select invisibility of your group, but you can choose to have your group be the only riders on the road during your scheduled event. i think it's pretty clear that the better option for THIS race series is to make other riders invisible, so that you can tell who's racing and who's not. also, i suspect that with other riders present in the event you could draft a rider not in the race.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Thanks Dan. It does seem like Lucy and Emma got a nice assist on the first Box Hill descent from outside riders - not a complaint, just a feature of having other riders on the road. I agree that it would be better with other riders invisible.

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KJ
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Huge setup error not make other riders go away! Sucks for the winner as there will be an asterix at the result. Adam and simon yates just pulled lucy and pallant around a bit, noone has a chsnce to gap up.
Hope it is fixwd for mens race

seems like nobody but the men's race entrants are in the course.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Honestly watching the race on Lucy's channel was much better than the actual Zwift channel, helps that she was leading but could actually see the course, some stats (watts/HR) and the audio was much better listening to Reece coach her. This could be so much better if Zwift could figure it out.

keep in mind lucy is a zwift athlete. there are a few. lucy, lionel. they're in a different category. like mo farah. specific zwift contracts. so it's quite possible zwift has worked with lucy on her specific audio-visual set up. the zwift guys are pretty smart.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

I don't know who Sam Laidlow is, but he just held 480 watts for 33 minutes. Dan I think he should get a slowtwitch story.

Yeah, but what is his time on Mount Lemmon?

young kid born to English parents grew up In pyrenyes and went to school for high performance tri kids I don't know him personally but an ex athlete of mine speaks very highly of him, has been telling me for more than 5 years this guy will be really good .

Saw he's only 21!! Definitely has a bright future if those numbers are accurate.

Edit: Ok after looking into this further. Unfortunately it looks like those numbers cannot be accurate. This would make his FTP likely in the 6w/kg realm, which is from what I've read the same as Egan Bernal.

 

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https://www.strava.com/athletes/4391866

I think Zwift is going to have to clean this up or the triathlon stars are going to stop participating.

Haha I hear you dude. I get it's supposed to be entertaining and fun but some of these efforts are so unbelievable.

Moreno rides a 70.3 at 261 watts but can throw down 400 watts and then assuming his NP was 420ish for this. LOL

https://www.strava.com/.../2827852004/analysis

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https://www.strava.com/athletes/4391866

it's certainly fair to scrutinize someone's ability to ride zwift based on demonstrated ability outdoors. but i would caution you about power averages in races. what races? lots of descents? where little or no power is produced, bringing the average way down? i'd like to see someone's entire power file, drop it into Ray's analysis tool, select those times when pedaling is steady, and look at the averages for those segments. compare those to whatever you want to look at in-game.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

I'm not really sure what you are talking about. I only used this dude as an example, one that comes across as highly suspect. He didn't upload this result to Strava either.

For the sake of argument, his average power during that 70.3 was 261 watts and his NP power was likely around 270, based off of the weighted average power on Strava. I understand that this is different from NP but the numbers are usually fairly close. He put out an overage of 400 watts for 33 minutes today. Obviously not steady and consistent, and I'm guessing that his NP was in the range of 415-420. With that being said, if he did an all out, steady, well-paced, 30 minute effort he could get to 415-420 based off of this. That would put his FTP in the realm of at least 380-400 watts. So he rode that 70.3 at 69% of his FTP for that 70.3.

Obviously this is all speculation but you can't really believe some of the efforts can you? Do you honestly think this guy rode at 6.1 w/kg for 33 minutes or the guy at 6.6 w/kg?

I have nothing against this guy but you will start to lose the big name guys/gals if these jabronis continue to put out world tour efforts.

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https://www.strava.com/athletes/4391866

on the other thread it is mentioned that these results should be on zwiftpower.com, that would give us a chance to see how these numbers compare to past 20min/5min bests for the riders. a lot of these guys are new to zwift, so probably dont have many results, but after a month or so patterns will emerge and make suspect results obvious. if someone does 10 races at 4-5 w/kg 20 min then busts out 6+ w/kg, that is suspect (doesn't always mean cheating, but trainer related more likely.) Now you can see why at the top level zwift races they use dual recordings, weigh ins etc

I think Zwift is going to have to clean this up or the triathlon stars are going to stop participating.


What do you mean by that?

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

3 of the top 4 guys in this race put out efforts that put them at or above Egan Bernal on a w/kg FTP level. I doubt there's anything fishy going on, lots of guys are very new to zwift and probably don't have the best setups. But it's clear that they have inaccurate power measurement.


If you were Lionel or Alistair, would you keep participating if you had no chance of winning fairly?

3 of the top 4 guys in this race put out efforts that put them at or above Egan Bernal on a w/kg FTP level. I doubt there's anything fishy going on, lots of guys are very new to zwift and probably don't have the best setups. But it's clear that they have inaccurate power measurement.


Agreed - more work needs to be done here. More standardization. The more the better.

My wife races, for a semi-pro team on Zwift and is in real life and on the real roads, one of the top Master's Women's Road cyclists in Canada. She's raced on Zwift with three different trainers and each one was a bit different with the power profiles, and how they were expressed.

This is all REALLY new, and is kind of a work in progress for all concerned. I think we just need a bit of patience to work some of the bugs out.

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

Is the reason these results aren't on ZwiftPower because they didn't ask these guys to make a ZP account in order to participate? Being able to see at least a bit more power data would be nice. Because yeah, there's no way that was a real 471 watts or whatever it was. He simply isn't an elite level Pro Tour cyclist. Hopefully they can figure out a way to improve things a bit.

I'm sure LS will chime in on a video or something. Interested to hear his take

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