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Swimming body position question
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I have spent the past couple of weeks puttering around in the pool trying to fix a fairly dreadful swim stroke. I have been going back to my Total Immersion training and I am trying to do their drills better. Yesterday I noticed that my stomach muscles were sore. I haven't felt soreness there in years.

The reason must be that I found better balance in the drills when I arched my back and drove my stomach (not really my chest) down in the water. When I paid attention to doing the same thing today, my time to do 50 yards dropped by about three seconds, which is a lot.

I have heard the bit about pushing on buoy and driving your chest into the water. I have heard about arching your back in swimming. To me those sound contradictory. If you arch your back, it would seem you chest would be higher. Arching my back and pushing on my stomach do make sense to me.

Is any of the above description on target? Am I beginning to get a clue?

Flailing in Florida
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the stomach soreness makes sense... [ In reply to ]
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I was noticing the other day, that if I concentrate on pushing my chest down AND tighten my stomach muscles so my back isn't arched that my legs & butt float higher. This only partially agrees with what you said, but makes sense to me. Definitely encourages me to keep working on my core. I'm finding now that as I think about this position as I swim a length my position gets better & better. Hopefully, in a few weeks it will be second nature & I'll swim flatter all the time.


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Re: Swimming body position question [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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I went to total immersion too and it taught me balance but not speed. I am not nearly good enough in the water to give you advice but one thing I have noticed lately is the more I warmup (with drills) the better swimmer I become at my main sets. I've been doing kicking drills with fins and 50m fist drill (25 fist, 25 swim) and things like that. So far so good.
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Re: Swimming body position question [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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Arching your back is a red herring. If you push the buoy, then you will be flat in the water with a flat back. If you do not have proper balance and try to correct it by arching your back, you will still be out of balance only now you will be all twisted up as well.

Stick with the TI drills. They won't get you onto the podium by themselves, but you've got to get balance down cold before anything else will happen.
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Re: Swimming body position question [tom] [ In reply to ]
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What do you mean by push the buoy? How do I do it? What does it feel like? What muscles will get abused? How do I know I am doing it?

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Re: Swimming body position question [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like you're engaging your core muscles a bit more...that's a good thing. However, by arching your back you are now swimming with a curved spine, which is not conducive to good hip and shoulder rotation.

My guess (without seeing you in the water) is that by pushing your stomach into the water, your legs are floating a bit lower, and you're kicking harder to compensate, and that the increased resultant propulsion forces are higher than the increased drag from a lower leg position. Purely a guess, based on your description.

Arching the lower back (meaning spine towards belly button) is not a good way to connect hip rotation to your swimming stroke. See any baseball players/golfers swing hard with a arched lower back? Try thinking about pushing your belly button to your spine to engage your core with a straighter spine, then rotate about the spinal line.

Just my $.02.

Dave
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Re: Swimming body position question [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know the TI drills for it, but try this:
Float face down arms at sides. Imagine a point midway between your shoulders and right below your adams apple. Holding your body straight (I mean don't curve your body to accomplish this) try and push this imaginary point down towards the bottom of the pool. This is mainly accomplished by moving your head down, You will feel your hips/legs come up and break the surface of the water. This is close to a balanced position.

Push off the wall a few times and glide. Notice how far you go normally, then get into this new balanced position. Notice how much farther you go. Do this a few times until you are comfortable and have found a good balanced position.

Now try swimming a 50 like this. Once you feel good, swim a few add-ups. Play around with the balance and you will see your add-ups change dramatically.

Add-ups are the addition of your time for 50 yards in seconds with the number of strokes taken. For example, I commonly run about 42 seconds for a 50 add-up. I'll take about 32 strokes (left and right) for an add-up of 42+32=74.

The add-up number will provide your testing platform for checking balance, stoke length, body roll, etc.
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Re: Swimming body position question [tom] [ In reply to ]
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How hard are you swimming those Add-ups?

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Re: Swimming body position question [jjmc27] [ In reply to ]
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Just hard enough to maintain proper swimming form.

It is very interesting to see the numbers change as you swim harder and easier for the add-up.
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