synthetic wrote:
LundyLund wrote:
sciguy wrote:
synthetic wrote:
I call bull shish on all who said clean diet, without saying what their diet is. It's likely dirty eating got you to this point, but you could be still doing something not helping the problem. These drugs damage the liver and waste muscle, eventually leading to your demise. There is no need for these pills when look at the case studies of the ketogenic diet
I lived with enough people with genetic hyperlipidemia for long periods of time to actually see what they ate and know it was out of their nutritional control.
I'm 37. I've been on statins on and off for roughly 8 years. I have had high cholesterol since I was 8. I'm not going to say I have some phenomenal diet, but I've done a lot of things to try and control my cholesterol without drugs. Hasn't worked.
Then your reply sounds quite useless if you did not commit to long term diet change. As for high cholesterol and meds, the threshold is arbitrary, absolute number matters less than ratios of HDL, vldl, a1c. As there are some cultures with high cholesterol yet low heart disease problems. The arbitrary number on total is more so it can be easier to prescribe the big dollar meds.
Mind you another factor outside of diet, smoking... Those effects outside of the lungs mainly irreversible
I have the genetic test to prove why I need to be on statins. I know my family history. I know my risks and the risks of my children. I know that diet, exercise and my HDL/ LDL ratio do nothing to protect me from the genetic mutation I have causing insane high LDL's. I recently had a scan done of my heart and carotids. My heart is good.... a typical athletes heart, but my carotids both have plaque build up because of my genetics.
I've been on a statin for 23 years now and have no liver damage or muscle waste issues happening. Please be careful giving advice about things you know nothing about. I am the only "athlete" in my family with the cleanest diet. I'm the only one who trains and my LDL's off meds are higher than the rest of them and they have the same genetic condition! Diet and exercise are always positive, but for my condition they don't help. (If I went vegan, which I'm not willing to do, I might see a slight drop in LDL's. That's not going to happen and it wouldn't be enough no matter what.)
In terms of drugs, I recently tried Crestor after being on Lipitor for many years. The Crestor did not work for me at all. I have never had muscle soreness like that in my life. I'm back on 40mg of Lipitor with no side efforts as well at Zetia. I do take CoQ10 daily as well. My LDL is not less than 100 and it was well over 200 off meds. That's just LDL, not total cholesterol.
Maybe we should be thankful we have the option to take drugs to decrease our risks of CVD. My daughter was recently diagnosed with the same condition and is now on Lipitor for the rest of her life. Look up Familial Hypercholesteria and see the risks.
- Only 1 in 10 people with this genetic condition know they have it.
- If you have it your children have a 50% chance of getting the genetic mutation.
- Children as young as 8 are put on statins if they have the gene and their LDL's are high because they are laying plaque down in their arteries at a very young age with this condition.
I've known about my high LDL's since I was in university but only just found out what I "have" and what the risks are. Family docs don't talk about it. If you have the gene your risks are significantly higher and your LDL needs to be lower. This is also the most treatable genetic disease on the planet because of statins! If you eat "healthy", exercise, and have LDL's over 190 (adults) or 160 (kids and teens) talk to your doc about FH. I need my LDL to be lower than the general population and family docs don't often know this. Also get your Lipoprotein A checked. That is another risk factor with CVD.
I would leave my health care decisions to your cardiologist or lipid specialist if you have high LDL's. Keto is not an option for those of us with FH.
This is an excellent resource.
https://thefhfoundation.org/ P.S. This is absolutely not true. "The threshold is arbitrary, absolute number matters less than ratios of HDL." I could explain why but I won't. My cardiologist told me why the Lipid calculators don't work for those of us with FH. I think he knows what he's talking about.