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Stage 15 (spoiler)
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Remains to be seen if it'll make a difference but should AC have waited? I say absolutely - trying to ride away after AS had him on the ropes was poor form



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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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I would hate to win because my competetor lost his chain, yes, I think dick move.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Yes he should have. Dirty riding. Further cements my negative opinion of AC.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Poor form. No class.

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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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You mean waited while Menchov and Sanchez rode away from him?
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Almost funny, Phil and Paul are arguing with each other.

Phil - It's OK for Contador to take off.

Paul - It's poor form for Contador to attack.

Phil - You're wrong, Paul.


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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely should have waited. Now if he wins there will always be an asterix on the win and if he loses then he'll have failed even with a dick move like that.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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You mean waited while Menchov and Sanchez rode away from him?

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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [spirogeek] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [uli] [ In reply to ]
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AC went first and as the defending champion I refuse to believe that if he had sat up Menchov and Sanchez wouldn't have followed suit. His sprint past AS gave the others permission to follow.



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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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did AC KNOW that schleck dropped his chain?


I think he did...he was right there when it happened


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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Poor form by a man who was just starting to be put to the sword by Schlek. The guy has no class. The signs of a scared man. Man I hope he gets booed going up for Yellow. I wasn't really following anyonw up until now. Now I hope he crashes in the TT.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Orcaman] [ In reply to ]
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AC saw what happened or heard it on his radio. To attack the yellow jersey when is has a mechanical problem shows that AC has zero class.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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I think from the arm chair perspective yes, he should have waited. It will be a topic of debate for years to come. Who instigated the attack? Who responded? It was a slippery slope for Contador, as soon as the group formed he had his 2nd place at risk.

What a great ride by Voeckler!
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I knew that thread was coming...how funny...I guess some should stop listening to Paul and his biases...

AS attacked first. AC didn't see the attack (not sure what the heck he was doing on the other side of the group), he sees AS go away, goes for it head down. Not even sure he knew about AS's chain.

Anyhow, Shleck would have done just the same.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Orcaman] [ In reply to ]
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did AC KNOW that schleck dropped his chain?


I think he did...he was right there when it happened

Worse, he was BEHIND AS when the chain was dropped. Previously, the real contenders have stopped when mechanicals happen that affect the yellow.

It comes down to being a dick move by AC. Way to be gentlemanly, in a sport that has prided itself in the past for such acts.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Would you stake the TdF on that? What if AC had sat up and Menchov and Sanchez blew by, and took a chunk of time out of him? Menchov can TT and isn't that far behind. AC can't afford to play around and give him a bunch of time.

What happened to AS sucks, no question.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Total dick move...bad bad bad...You don't attack a mechanical like that...terrible.



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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Let it go...AC is a dick..the reasoning is as follows: AC beat Lance last year. Became a dick in the process. And nothing he does can change that. Shleck would have done the same. Lance would have done the same.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Go rewind and watch again. AC rides face up the whole way up to AS and when he reaches him has to swing way off his line to go avoid AS on AS' left because by that point AS was virtually stationary. There is no way he didn't know he'd had a mechanical.

As to whether or not Schleck would have done the same I've no idea.



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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Mostof what ive been reading is what Ibelieve to be true. , He saw the chain then gunned it. Sad day for schleck.

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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Tri 2 Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Previously, the real contenders have stopped when mechanicals happen that affect the yellow.

Did Saxo Bank wait for Contador/Armstrong when they had problems on Stage 3?


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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Very poor form by AC. If he waits for AS the rest waits too, no question.

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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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No kidding. AC was chasing down AS. Not like he was going to pull up and ask him what's happening.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [BenLeese] [ In reply to ]
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Missing the important point here. What kind of chain was it and what kind of derailleur? Isn't it about the bike? The actual bike?
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