Yeah, I got it and agree to a point. AC has the lead by 8 seconds. I bet his bike handling versus AS was worth double that today. Did you watch AS's aero "tuck". Horrible.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Tom A.]
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois]
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Funny to watch triathletes argue over this one. Did we see the lead women all pull over and wait for Chrissie in Kona when she flatted a few years back. How about for Normann when he couldn't get the tire off his wheel, maybe the entire men's pro field should have pulled over and helped him out. How many of you have stopped while a competitor who was leading the bike flatted or dropped his chain? It was bad timing, but ultimately it is our own responsibility to have our bike in good working order. In this case, the team mechanic. Maybe it was a bad adjustment, maybe it was just bad luck, who knows. Easy for us to call foul from the sidelines, but we don't know what was happening, especially in the heat of battle after 12miles of climbing. It's a race, it happens!
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Quotes from Robbie Hunter on Twitter:
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Quotes from Robbie Hunter on Twitter:
"Not so sure that was the best thing to do by Contador,keep going.. I know Andy started the attack but his chain fell off twice would have been better if Contador waited.. "
"From a person who rides in the peleton..Contador should have waited,had he waited everybody would have waited..my opinion this was not cool!"
"If Contador had of waited he would have won the heart of the world like this he got a yellow jersey on his back.but its always gonna be a ?"
"If ppl say he never knew,I doubt it.He's got a radio and his Team mate Vino was on the wheel and saw it clearly..any ways just my opinion!"
"Last thoughts..if he never knew,he could have show remorse on the podium by not putting his hand in the air and celebrating..."
"STG3 Contador never had yellow.ppl it was totally different story..in the peleton if yellow has a problem u wait specially if its a person who can win the tour.. That's how we race!!!"
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"Not so sure that was the best thing to do by Contador,keep going.. I know Andy started the attack but his chain fell off twice would have been better if Contador waited.. "
"From a person who rides in the peleton..Contador should have waited,had he waited everybody would have waited..my opinion this was not cool!"
"If Contador had of waited he would have won the heart of the world like this he got a yellow jersey on his back.but its always gonna be a ?"
"If ppl say he never knew,I doubt it.He's got a radio and his Team mate Vino was on the wheel and saw it clearly..any ways just my opinion!"
"Last thoughts..if he never knew,he could have show remorse on the podium by not putting his hand in the air and celebrating..."
"STG3 Contador never had yellow.ppl it was totally different story..in the peleton if yellow has a problem u wait specially if its a person who can win the tour.. That's how we race!!!"
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Green Barf]
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AC also had Sammy Sanchez to follow. Don't underestimate the value of following the line of an excellent descender...
Your aero tuck would be "horrible" too if you were all arms and legs like AS.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Robert Preston]
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He lost me at "I pay attention to cycling precisely once a year..."
Fail.
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Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois]
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Yet AC admitted AS had a "mechanical" (quoted because that was exactly what he said) on his interview on Versus.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Bham Triathlete]
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Funny to watch triathletes argue over this one. Did we see the lead women all pull over and wait for Chrissie in Kona when she flatted a few years back. How about for Normann when he couldn't get the tire off his wheel, maybe the entire men's pro field should have pulled over and helped him out. How many of you have stopped while a competitor who was leading the bike flatted or dropped his chain? It was bad timing, but ultimately it is our own responsibility to have our bike in good working order. In this case, the team mechanic. Maybe it was a bad adjustment, maybe it was just bad luck, who knows. Easy for us to call foul from the sidelines, but we don't know what was happening, especially in the heat of battle after 12miles of climbing. It's a race, it happens!
You do realize you are talking about a different sport right? You might as well make a comparison to football.
You do realize you are talking about a different sport right? You might as well make a comparison to football.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Francois]
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I agree with you Francois.
I would also like to point out that the majority of the time gained was on the decent. 18 seconds at the top of the climb isn't indicative of Contador setting the pace on fire. It probably took 18 seconds for AS to get his chain back on. I think some people feel AC should have stopped alongside Schleck today.
I would also like to point out that the majority of the time gained was on the decent. 18 seconds at the top of the climb isn't indicative of Contador setting the pace on fire. It probably took 18 seconds for AS to get his chain back on. I think some people feel AC should have stopped alongside Schleck today.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Bham Triathlete]
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In soccer you stop play if a player on the other team is injured by putting the ball out of bounds. Should a triathlete stop for another to get treatment for an injury?
You see how stupid that sounds comparing two different sports with different histories and traditions.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Doitagain]
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Contador would've clearly seen the chain drop if he would've utilized Hawk-Eye like tennis players do.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Alvin Tostig]
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That's not the point because they were not in yellow at the time. You are not suppose to attack if the yellow jersey is down.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler)
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With all of this said, I will admit that in practice it is pretty much impossible not to take advantage of these types of situations in bike racing.
A few months ago, I was in a two man break in a crit. The guy I was with dug a pedal and almost went down. I was on the front, heard the commotion, and I attacked, held him off and went on to solo in for the win. I felt a little bad about it, but at the same time "that's bike racing".
The irony is that if he just crashed, then he could have gotten back in behind me on the next lap; "that's bike racing" too.
A few months ago, I was in a two man break in a crit. The guy I was with dug a pedal and almost went down. I was on the front, heard the commotion, and I attacked, held him off and went on to solo in for the win. I felt a little bad about it, but at the same time "that's bike racing".
The irony is that if he just crashed, then he could have gotten back in behind me on the next lap; "that's bike racing" too.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Sergio Escutia]
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Thanks, but it was already perfect ;-)
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [JustinD]
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It's different when the yellow jersey goes down because the yellow jersey is attacking and the yellow jersey makes a mistake withing 2k of the final climb. To sit up means you basically call off the stage for the leaders. Even the yellow jersey does not garner that much deference.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Tricky Dick]
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According to Velo News, A. Schleck was only 13 seconds behind at the top.
It looked like it might have taken more than 18 seconds for him to get the chain back on. (He needed two tries.)
It didn't appear that Contador, Menchov, and Sanchez (especially Contador) were going as hard as possible until they went over the crest of the climb. (They did drill it on the descent.) How long were they supposed to wait?
"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [eganski]
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Obviously this was just a case of the Saxo Bank Bike Motor mis-firing! Imagine if the motor properly engaged the drivetrain. Schleck would have put 3 minutes into Contador!
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Tricky Dick]
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The swedish commentators said that he (AS) lost 40 sek b/c he lost his chain. If AC had 18 sek on the top it means he slowed down so AS got 22 sek back...
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Alvin Tostig]
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Based on recent history, until he was back in the group.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Flanagan]
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I actually blame Cancellara for this whole thing. If he had made the selection, he could've just neutralized the stage after Schleck had a mechanical.
I heard Cancellara was already maneuvering to neutralize the final TT for Schleck as well.
I heard Cancellara was already maneuvering to neutralize the final TT for Schleck as well.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Green Barf]
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Tell me how Andy made a mistake? Take a look at the stage and you will notice that Andy wasn't shifting when the chain came off. Something very strange happened and it was not the fault of Andy.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [trimick]
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I wrote that as a JOKE since on ST, everything AC does is a dick move and everything everybody else does is great tactics :-)
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Jocke]
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Precisely. Contador didn't 'attack', he just didn't stop. Any time a man on a bike stops and everyone keeps going there will be time loss. Not sure why people don't get this. Like I said, apparently people think Contador should have stopped and waited. Had Contador 'attacked' he would have had a minute and a half by the top of climb, especially if it took 40 seconds for Schleck to get his chain on.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [Tricky Dick]
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From LA's interview:
"It is better to wait but this is different now because it was the last climb of the race and the race is on. I dont want to make a hard judgment without having seen the images, he concluded.
"It is better to wait but this is different now because it was the last climb of the race and the race is on. I dont want to make a hard judgment without having seen the images, he concluded.
Re: Stage 15 (spoiler) [JustinD]
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Assuming you are referring to Stage 3, was it OK for Saxo Bank (Cancellara with A. Schleck) to attack Chavanel who was in the yellow jersey when Chavanel had his three flat tires?
"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
Uh no....
FWIW, (and as you say, not much around here), I agree with you and Carl.
FWIW, (and as you say, not much around here), I agree with you and Carl.