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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [CJAC] [ In reply to ]
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That has got to be a temporary quick fix for IM NZ athletes and other southern hemisphere riders with races imminent. The real fix ought to give us equivalent functionality and this clearly does not.


The quick fix for IMNZ is that Specialized bought all of the Profile distributors basebars and clipons yesterday...


Seems like an expensive fix if they ultimately are just going to either provide the low stack option or a replacement bolt kit. Seems like they could mobilize both solutions fairly quickly.

My LBS just offered me a Profile Design T2 aluminum replacement, not sure if I should take it.

Thoughts?
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [BocaIvan] [ In reply to ]
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Three thoughts. First are you racing right away (in the next several weeks)? Second another concern would be how would doing a non approved fix effect your warranty. Third how much would it change your fit from what I understand if you go with the specialized fix they will work out getting your bike fit tweaked with your LBS.


Joel
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, just took mine in to the Spec centre at IMNZ. Talked through the fix, it's the low stack kit. My setup means I'll be getting the profile option though as they won't be able to replicate my pad position with the low stack kit.

They're working bloody hard to help riders here. Can't fault them.

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Mike
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [joelt] [ In reply to ]
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I just took mine off and looked. What it looks like is the anchor bolt inside the fulcrum slips because it has not friction. I put some extra thread lock on the bolts connecting the bars to the fulcrum. I'm thinking this extra thread lock will seep up the side and give some additional friction. Mine hasn't been an issue as it is more of a creeping nuisance. With that said, I'll continue riding my road bike (crit race this weekend anyways), and hopefully they get this solution out by next week when I was going to start my tri specific bike training.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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As someone mentioned earlier, the fix are bolt replacements. They were CSPC approved yesterday.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [bluto] [ In reply to ]
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bluto wrote:
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I'm sure it can....but taking a blow torch to your bike sounds like a terrible idea. You're better off just using scotch weld or some kind of industrial hardener that can be removed later.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have much welding experience....

There aren't any "blow torches" involved in TIG welding, but it probably could be used in this case. Things like Scotch Weld are really adhesives and would not work in an application like this with so much stress on such a small joint.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say anyone dumb enough to make permanent ghetto ass modifications to their bike instead of just waiting for the proper repair from Specialized and voiding their warranty is a complete idiot.....how's that, better?

"I would definitely smell her seat after a century ride"
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That might be the post of the year right there.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [shivermetimbers] [ In reply to ]
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I am racing this weekend and LBS contacted specialised and they sent through carbon vuka zipp bars and extensions. They have been setup by LBS as per my original fit. Only difference really being they had to fit a round s-works stem instead of the aero shiv one. Very pleased with how they sorted it out. Because stem is different I have option to swap back when fix is sorted.

Having tried new set up it actually feels better. It's lighter and garmin/torpedo system fits better. Tempted to stay with zipps.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [shivermetimbers] [ In reply to ]
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shivermetimbers wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say anyone dumb enough to make permanent ghetto ass modifications to their bike instead of just waiting for the proper repair from Specialized and voiding their warranty is a complete idiot.....how's that, better?

No, I'd say that's actually worse.

I don't have my bike in front of me to look at how you might TIG weld the pivot components, but it's a good idea if there's a suitable joint there. If I had a race this weekend and was worried about riding with the original bolts, I'd absolutely consider having those components TIG welded. If that would make me a complete idiot in your eyes, I think I'm OK there. The only thing that might look at little "Ghetto" is the black finish missing around the welded area. I totally agree with the Ghetto assessment of your Scotch Weld approach if you were saying that also.

I would not expect my LBS or Spec. to bless the approach (because of liability), but they would absolutely follow through with any warranty repair after the fact. My LBS is all about figuring out ways to make sure riders don't miss races and then picking up the mess later as needed. I've seen the same from Spec.

I've been through the fork recall issue on my Tarmac, the seat post issue on my Shiv, and now the bar issue on the Shiv. I'm still a big Specialized fan because of how they have responded to these issues.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [NeverEnough] [ In reply to ]
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As someone mentioned earlier, the fix are bolt replacements. They were CSPC approved yesterday.

Well, great. Didn't see that in all the post, must have missed it and it wasn't on the website. How do we get the said bolts?


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [bluto] [ In reply to ]
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By all means knock yourself out......I can just see it now at your next race, onlookers yelling "look, there goes the guy with the tig welded aero bars."

"I would definitely smell her seat after a century ride"
Rappstar wrote:
That might be the post of the year right there.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [spgtwice] [ In reply to ]
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I though about scuffing up the piece inside the fulcrum myself, bur thinking the thread locker might achieve the same goal. Talking with two people at my lbs, the issue they experienced was sheering after a little bit of corrosion. That is why I opened mine today to see if that wad the issue. Seems like an overall easy fix. Of course, the is always jb weld. I used that when the cable coupler housing on my transition pulled loose.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [mickey] [ In reply to ]
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Which Profile model are they installing? Do you know?
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [Alcantara-AUS] [ In reply to ]
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No idea. I just asked if it was pretty, and they responded that it was an upgrade...still can't tell you what model as they haven't got the parts they need in yet...was meant to be this afternoon but hasn't happened. I'll sure they'll get it sorted, got to rack tomorrow :-)
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [BocaIvan] [ In reply to ]
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BocaIvan wrote:
CJAC wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
Dilbert wrote:
That has got to be a temporary quick fix for IM NZ athletes and other southern hemisphere riders with races imminent. The real fix ought to give us equivalent functionality and this clearly does not.


The quick fix for IMNZ is that Specialized bought all of the Profile distributors basebars and clipons yesterday...


Seems like an expensive fix if they ultimately are just going to either provide the low stack option or a replacement bolt kit. Seems like they could mobilize both solutions fairly quickly.


My LBS just offered me a Profile Design T2 aluminum replacement, not sure if I should take it.

Thoughts?

We had someone loan us a set of T2 aluminium bars to use until the fix is sorted.

My LBS (not the Specialized dealer where we bought the bike) fitted them last week and my wife and I did a 160km ride on Saturday. Bars are great. Position may be slightly lower than previously but the wife likes it. I would highly recommend going with the T2.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [downesy] [ In reply to ]
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The Spec. dealer I visited yesterday told me there was a team coming over from Australia who would, if necessary, work around the clock to sort things out for any Shiv owners at Taupo for IMNZ this weekend. Sounds like they're as out in front of it as they can be.

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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [bluto] [ In reply to ]
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bluto wrote:
shivermetimbers wrote:


I'm going to go out on a limb and say anyone dumb enough to make permanent ghetto ass modifications to their bike instead of just waiting for the proper repair from Specialized and voiding their warranty is a complete idiot.....how's that, better?


No, I'd say that's actually worse.

I don't have my bike in front of me to look at how you might TIG weld the pivot components, but it's a good idea if there's a suitable joint there. If I had a race this weekend and was worried about riding with the original bolts, I'd absolutely consider having those components TIG welded. If that would make me a complete idiot in your eyes, I think I'm OK there. The only thing that might look at little "Ghetto" is the black finish missing around the welded area. I totally agree with the Ghetto assessment of your Scotch Weld approach if you were saying that also. .

First, it wouldn't be a spot weld to prevent movement, it would be a structural weld. Structural welds are strange animals with weld prep requirements, welding techniques, etc. Joe Blow exhaust pipe guy isn't going to have the skill or knowledge to do it correctly. You might get away with it, and you might actually create a weaker joint or worse, weaken the material in the heat affected zone. There is no way to know without analysis.

That's why companies that weld critical joints (like the aero bars you are trusting your life to) have welding engineers, weld joint design reports, and destructive proof testing of qualification. It is also why most of us use robots these days.

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [downesy] [ In reply to ]
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downesy wrote:
BocaIvan wrote:
CJAC wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
Dilbert wrote:
That has got to be a temporary quick fix for IM NZ athletes and other southern hemisphere riders with races imminent. The real fix ought to give us equivalent functionality and this clearly does not.


The quick fix for IMNZ is that Specialized bought all of the Profile distributors basebars and clipons yesterday...


Seems like an expensive fix if they ultimately are just going to either provide the low stack option or a replacement bolt kit. Seems like they could mobilize both solutions fairly quickly.


My LBS just offered me a Profile Design T2 aluminum replacement, not sure if I should take it.

Thoughts?


We had someone loan us a set of T2 aluminium bars to use until the fix is sorted.

My LBS (not the Specialized dealer where we bought the bike) fitted them last week and my wife and I did a 160km ride on Saturday. Bars are great. Position may be slightly lower than previously but the wife likes it. I would highly recommend going with the T2.

I am tempted to take the PD solution but I am curious as to which basebar they'd be offereing as well as if they would fit me with a T3 instead of T2.

Sadly, I'll be having them swap everything out, regardless of which solution I pick, then having to take it to another LBS to have them properly fit me in with this new setup... Frustrating!
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [BocaIvan] [ In reply to ]
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I sure wish Mark could just confirm, this ultimately will just be a hardware change, for the 95% of us not looking to race these next couple of weekends. I'm sure it is a lot of bolts, but that should be easy to get, and affects nothing else in my set up or position. Anything else creates multiple challenges. Even the low stack solution doesn't seem to allow for as high of a stack, as you can create with the current hardware. Going to a whole new bar setup, is a whole new challenge.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [CJAC] [ In reply to ]
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I actually like the idea that most of these solutions will allow for a lower position.

I am on a -17 degree stem to get me as low as I need to be, not happy with the current set up...

Hopefully with whatever solution I go with, I'll be able to swap to a less "aggressive" stem.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [CJAC] [ In reply to ]
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I sure wish Mark could just confirm, this ultimately will just be a hardware change, for the 95% of us not looking to race these next couple of weekends. I'm sure it is a lot of bolts, but that should be easy to get, and affects nothing else in my set up or position. Anything else creates multiple challenges. Even the low stack solution doesn't seem to allow for as high of a stack, as you can create with the current hardware. Going to a whole new bar setup, is a whole new challenge.

On a seperate note, I do find it concerning that both of my local bike shops, have sold SHIVs, and have them on the floor and are selling SHIVs right now, have never heard of this issue, until brought forward by customers.
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Then this is either on the LBS or Specialized.......it's on the LBS if they aren't on the distro list and receiving emails from Specialized. On the other hand, it's on Specialized if they aren't reaching out to all their clients expediently.

"I would definitely smell her seat after a century ride"
Rappstar wrote:
That might be the post of the year right there.
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Re: Specialized Shiv carbon aerobar - Stop Sale Notice [CJAC] [ In reply to ]
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CJAC wrote:
I sure wish Mark could just confirm, this ultimately will just be a hardware change, for the 95% of us not looking to race these next couple of weekends. I'm sure it is a lot of bolts, but that should be easy to get, and affects nothing else in my set up or position. Anything else creates multiple challenges. Even the low stack solution doesn't seem to allow for as high of a stack, as you can create with the current hardware. Going to a whole new bar setup, is a whole new challenge.


On a seperate note, I do find it concerning that both of my local bike shops, have sold SHIVs, and have them on the floor and are selling SHIVs right now, have never heard of this issue, until brought forward by customers.

Thanks to everyone on the thread for the productive discussion. Our team is doing all we can. If you're not being taken care of appropriately, please PM me.

I cannot confirm an approved global solution today due to continued work with CPSC. The notifications on Specialized.com here are the most up to date that we can provide.

If you have a retailer who seems to not have been notified, please PM me so I can reach out to them directly.

Thank you for your support and loyalty as I know we've made all of your lives more challenging despite our targets of keeping you safe on the road.

Mark

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CJAC wrote:
CJAC wrote:
I sure wish Mark could just confirm, this ultimately will just be a hardware change, for the 95% of us not looking to race these next couple of weekends. I'm sure it is a lot of bolts, but that should be easy to get, and affects nothing else in my set up or position. Anything else creates multiple challenges. Even the low stack solution doesn't seem to allow for as high of a stack, as you can create with the current hardware. Going to a whole new bar setup, is a whole new challenge.


On a seperate note, I do find it concerning that both of my local bike shops, have sold SHIVs, and have them on the floor and are selling SHIVs right now, have never heard of this issue, until brought forward by customers.


Thanks to everyone on the thread for the productive discussion. Our team is doing all we can. If you're not being taken care of appropriately, please PM me.

I cannot confirm an approved global solution today due to continued work with CPSC. The notifications on Specialized.com here are the most up to date that we can provide.

If you have a retailer who seems to not have been notified, please PM me so I can reach out to them directly.

Thank you for your support and loyalty as I know we've made all of your lives more challenging despite our targets of keeping you safe on the road.

Mark


Thanks...can you confirm whether or not this is a "do not ride your bike until this is addressed" issue? I am hearing different things from different shops. Also, I am on a 14 or 15 S Works Shiv (frame was replaced due to seat post issue)......I have replaced the extensions with Zipp carbon extensions. Does this recall apply to me or am I good to go? Thanks
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