it just KILLS me when triathletes worry about BB stiffness.

KILLS ME!

i know i know, you really like to attack the climbs

that bike looks pretty cool, I hope it works!

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Looks awesome!

I would buy one if I had a dealer anywhere near me.

wonder what it'll cost.. and how "aero" it'll be

It will be interesting to see. I imagine very aero,,,and hopefully competively priced!

Well it depends... If the BB stiffness is such that you autoshift when you stand, then there is a problem. Of course that hasn't happened to me since my last under-built steel bike 20 years ago.

I agree that 99.9% percent of people could not tell the BB stiffness difference in identical frames with a different lay-up. My guess is that if you told them "flexy" bike was the stuffer one. They would come back and agree 100% of the time. Carbon has sent BB stiffness straight to the realm of pure marketing at this point.

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Are cycpro's available now?

If so where?

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Running is a gift.

BB stiffness is nice from a feel standpoint. But I agree it does nothing. I wish we could focus more on fork stiffness as that can drastically change the feel and one's confidence on a bike.

Sweet

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I thought the one of the key points in the original P3 being more aero than other bikes was how the down tube hugged the rear wheel creating a faring. Here, we have a frame with no rear wheel protection from the wind. Even Kestrel has stopped making that frame with the rear wheel completely exposed. BB stiffness is not the issue here, but there is no way the beam does not have some amount of flexion. Pedaling on a bouncing beam does not seem all that efficient.

The big problem when discussing it are everyone gets their terms mixed up. A bottom bracket is the bearings and axle, its not part of the frame. Frame has a BB shell, but even that isn't going to be appreciably more or less stiff from one frame to another. What people refer to a BB stiffness is usually general frame flex, normally torsionally. As a previous poster said it can cause ghost shifting if its really bad. The other issue is handling particularly up hill, down hill and sprinting. Sprinting isn't going to be a big deal for the uses of this frame but going up and down could. Triangles are very good at making a structure strong, stiff and light. It will be interesting to see if this makes a dent in the market, I can think of at least 3-4 previous similar designs that didn't.

Styrrell

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If you have to have a seat tube it should be a good one, having no seat tube should be good and maybe better also. I do wonder why they used the pita horizontal dropouts with no seattube to get close too.

Styrrell

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Maybe a rear mud fender would work well....if it was carbon fiber that is.

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that guy looks massive!!!

Anybody know anything about release date or pricing?

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Running is a gift.

Sure is ugly, but I bet it's FAST.

They've gotta do something about that front brake/cable.

If the Pearson is any indication...quite expensive (like $9k).

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I agree. Sorry if I'm offending anyone but I think I'd rather ride a recumbent than that thing. Just terrible...

I hate those bikes. Part of the reason: I'm scared that if they really are faster, I'm missing out because my tri-buddies have always told me that 'Softwings' are stupid.

Ya know how you never became close with the weird kid in math class who always knew the answers but never had anyone to do homework with (probably because he tucked in his t-shirt and wore socks halfway up to his knees)? Maybe the Softwing style is that weird kid. And we're all too ignorant to give him a shot.

On the other hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

This appears to be a Softride Rocket

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I thought the one of the key points in the original P3 being more aero than other bikes was how the down tube hugged the rear wheel creating a faring. Here, we have a frame with no rear wheel protection from the wind. Even Kestrel has stopped making that frame with the rear wheel completely exposed. BB stiffness is not the issue here, but there is no way the beam does not have some amount of flexion. Pedaling on a bouncing beam does not seem all that efficient.
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The key point of the original P3 was that it was very aero WITHIN the regulations of being a UCI legal bicycle...and depending on what/who you believed, it was as fast as the beam bikes. The removal of the seat tube allowed the air to move through that area with less disturbance to fill the low pressure area behind the rider; thus lowering the drag. This was the explanation provided for the seattubeless bicycle designs. This also made the beam bikes require a disk wheel to achieve the full aerodynamic realization (as compared to seat tube fared rear wheels which were less sensitive to placing a disk there or not). Soft ride got out of the bike business because they were more profitable in the rack business, and because UCI just took away what most viewed as the majority of their market; so at the time it made very good business sense to do what they did. There are more detailed explanations if one goes through the archives here and other places, where one can pick up on the nuances of why the business went the way it did. My understanding is that it was business driven; not driven by performance, and since there was no reason to try to improve on the beam designs, no one did (which makes perfect sense if one is a business). Personally, I ride a titanflex and absolutely love it. It fits in a small package if I needed to ship it, and it is very very comfortable (which is a good thing since I am moving farther and farther into the old man category).

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