I guess integrated seat post and fork similiar to LOOK. Wish they would use the seat tube as compartment for storage of spare tire and inflator! I'm sure the paint job will be boring. Hell, maybe they will suprise us with the paint this year!

Re

I'd guess integrated, water fueled rockets that allow you to go even faster.....

Ok, seriously, I would venture to guess a better fork designed in house (you've seen them switch up forks this year) ala the Felt DA and perhaps an integrated seatpost, though I'd wonder about the long term durability of those. Also, perhaps a switch to lighter, yet stiffer carbon layups ala the R3Sl and the SLC SL.

Bob

Well, I would "guess" that the two areas for any significant break-throughs would either be in aerodynamics or frame (and component) materials.

On the latter, I may be incorrect, but both carbon fiber and titanium came from the aerospace industry. Although c.f. has overtaken titanium on bike frames due to it's "workability", we're constantly seeing updates in the technology of c.f. - to a point where it seems like just about everyone has a c.f. frame and / or components. Will there be lighter, stronger carbon fiber technology, probably so - as soon as the military releases it...

As far as frames, the P3C is a great looking bike, but, as with just about anything, there's always room for improvement in design, whether it's weight savings from a new material blend, or through better aerodynamics...

But, then again, maybe next year's model will just be a different paint scheme... hopefully the red / black will come back :)

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(i just verbed myself, and it feels pretty good).
Dan Empfield aka Slowman

Tri specific aero frames aka beam bikes. Seriously, when will tri get big enough for companies to start making these again? (Yes, I know about Titanflex and Cheetah)

Does the military industrial complex control the carbon fiber market now? I thought industry did, but maybe I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat correctly...

With regard to titanium, it was used in the space industry and to a certain extent the military until the 1980's. until that point it was a very scare material. However with the discovery of more deposits and techniques to extract the ore from rock, it has becoem more pletiful, thus why you see it everywhere, including the watch I am wearing and the spoon I use when camping.

The biggest determiner of where carbon fiber is going will be of all things, Airbus. The reason so many frames jumped in priced this year was that Airbus was buying so much CF for their new jets that it became very scarce. If Airbus decides to kill a plan program or two then you'll see more stuff hit the market. Also, look for exotic blends of CF to be developed further ala the Trek CF with boron, etc.

I agree and Cervelo seems to back this up on the tech section of their website, that aerodynamics are where things are going. We'll see what happens when the Cervelo goes head to head with the Felt DA, but my guess is that any further development sof the P3 or its successor will be in the area of tube shape and aerodynamics.

Bob

I could see the downtube coming closer to the front wheel like the DA or the BMC Time Machine.

Maybe they'll find a way to clean up the entire front end of the bike--integrate the earobars into the frame and include some adjustability. That would be very cool. Sure, we'd be locked into a cockpit to some degree, but I wouldn't mind if it was a good one.

Hopefully ride quality will improve...

I know I'm swimming upstream on this one...but I wish they were developing a titanium version of their P2K or Dual. Something for us folks that can't seem to keep from scratching our bikes, having them knocked over in transition, riding gravelly sections of roads, or having a shipping company/bike shop/airline inspector repack it poorly.

How abotu them making aero wheels?


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Considering they supply CSC I doubt they'll be willing to go outside the UCI rules as I would think CSC would say "Hey, you're designing a TT bike that's faster than the P3C and we can't use it!!!"

So my guess would be some changes in the front end, fork, headtube, stem combo type thing? Who knows, any change to a more normal seattube shape (even if more aero) won't have the WOW appeal of the P3C design so they have to get more radical I think as most people shop with their eyes. They could make a straight seattubed bike with have the drag of the P3C but people will still but the P3C because the radical shape looks faster.

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1. Internal cable routing for power-meters.
2. Arundel-like water bottle to match the frame contour.
3. Little lighter and a little stiffer.
4. Integrated spell-checker. :)

I'm thinking they may re-define how we look at the fork/frame interface also. We may see some interesting front ends from Cervelo.

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Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com

I think the UCI has pretty much been the nails in the coffin lid on beam bikes.

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Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com

The Carbon Soloist SL is just an amazing machine. It is so incredibly light- and it maintains the best serodynamics of any road bike. That is a nice bike. I wonder if we may see some emphasis on "SL" designs in the tri specific bikes? I wonder if triathlon consumers would perceive that as added value and perfromance? Does the prospect of a fully functional, 15 pound complete aero tri-bike speak to the triathlete? I think it should. Imagine doing Ford Ironman Wisconsin or Ford Ironman Lake Placid on a bike that was fully four pounds lighter than your current bike. That would make a difference after 112 miles on the climbs.

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The Tri Shop.com

They'll partner with FSA to put the cervelo name on the crankset, and start making aerobars (that will really be profile design with the cervelo name printed on it). They will then come out with the new Cervelo P3C-DA, with "full Dura-ace and Cervelo components." So the brake set will still be tekro, the crankset will still be FSA, the aerobars will still be profile design, but the price tag will be $4800.

The P4C will have a front wheel cutout on the drop bar, similar to the felt DA.

Unfortunately carbon fiber and titanium go hand in hand. Many of the metal bits (mounting brackets and the like) and pieces that come in direct contact with the carbon need to be highly corrosion resistant. Titanium meets that requirement. With Boeing and Airbus locking up a lot of the futures in Ti and CF I don't see any real hope seeing material cost staying in a reasonable range.

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They will have a sound chip talking to you, repeating things like 'your seat is too high'.
Also, a new computer attached to it, with wireless connection, allowing you to both connect to ST while riding, while taking pictures of yourself, and asking about your position...then it will actually generate the entire thread based on previous threads, without anyone to have to participate, which will lead Dan to sue Cervelo for illegal posting, and to ban Gerard from the forum.

Unless I totally read the company wrong, I don't see Cervelo turning into Zipp and straying too far from their core competency of making fast bikes. I think they'l leave cranks and wheels to those who make those things. I could be totally wrong on this one, but it's just a vibe.

Bob

"Does the prospect of a fully functional, 15 pound complete aero tri-bike speak to the triathlete? I think it should. "

It will have definite value for the fashion show crowd or those who have more money than they know what to do with, but less so for those that understand the benefits of aero vs weight.

I can't see myself ever spending an extra $1200 for an SL version frame just to save 200 gms.

If you want to save 150-200 grams, simply spend $400 on the Wolf SL fork. Unless the bike frame itself was stiffer, there is no need to otherwise lighten the load, so to speak.

Litespeed came out with the new Ghisallo a yer or so ago and it was the lightest thing on the market...Unfortunately it was as loose as a noodle and no one could ride the thing. Light is one thing, but light and stiff is another animal all together.

One thing which no one had said (I'm surprised) is developing a slightly fairing like top tube.... remember the MIT Podcast? The weird bottle which saved time... the one area which still doesn't seem to be shaped right it the spot behind the stem..... I could see a change to the front end and even the area behind the frint wheel, much liike the DA, but I think they will have a slight lump in the tt to create less drag around the stem area....

thats about it..... everything else is component placement or replacement. So far I think we'll see both brakes hidden, and we'll see what other things they can hide?

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maybe integrated bars?

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Yeah, that was such a shame. Coincidence that the major companies developing beam bikes at the time were NA based?

Cyclocross?

Seriously: What do you think is in the pipeline for Cervelo?

Hopefully a fully aero bike that can be used in triathlons with places for two waterbottles on the frame or another good location.

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Reality is that there is probably not a lot of things left that can be done to a double diamond frame to genuinely increase performance significantly. Sure they can make them a bit lighter or come out with the odd new feature but for the most part this is just "fluff'. To get a significantly faster new frame a radical non traditional design would be needed.

It would be a bold move for Cervelo to come out with a non double diamond frame production bike that goes against the rules, but with their affiliation with CSC, it's probably unlikely.