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Re: Sam Long coaching change [test]
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I've seen clues but nothing certain. I just really hope he doesn't start coaching himself.
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [timr]
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He'll be coached by Mikal before you know it!
Re: Sam Long coaching change [timr]
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timr wrote:
I've seen clues but nothing certain. I just really hope he doesn't start coaching himself.Tri247 article says he's self-coaching as of now. It doesn't make clear if that will change at some point going forward.
https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/elite/sam-long-2022-review-coaching-change
Re: Sam Long coaching change [timr]
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timr wrote:
I've seen clues but nothing certain. I just really hope he doesn't start coaching himself.If he ever wants to get better at long distance he’s going to need some coaching magic. It seems middle distance comes more naturally to him
Re: Sam Long coaching change [test]
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Damn. Lionel gets shit on all day here for being on YT and none of you even know Sam has a channel. He announced he's self coaching in the Indian Wells recap video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJoXrnH7i8
Re: Sam Long coaching change [Vertebrae6395]
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Most people on here know he has a channel but his channel is boring and he is posting more infrequently. The season is mostly over, I'm sure the views on that recap are down so no need to come on here and post about it urgently.
This season for him seems to be a floundering season. The sponsorships that brought him to Europe took him out of the scene here and could not have set up for descent training. If he feels he can perform better without the volume, is it in respect to 70.3 or long course in general?
This season for him seems to be a floundering season. The sponsorships that brought him to Europe took him out of the scene here and could not have set up for descent training. If he feels he can perform better without the volume, is it in respect to 70.3 or long course in general?
Re: Sam Long coaching change [test]
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He has had a string of immature decisions in 2022. He can dress them up as "life experiences" but his stock has definitely gone down. If he is going to "self coaching", that is going to be another step that is not forward.
Re: Sam Long coaching change [mkq]
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I also think that it is a terrible decision. Are there any other guys at the top that are self coached?
Re: Sam Long coaching change [Engner66]
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Engner66 wrote:
I also think that it is a terrible decision. Are there any other guys at the top that are self coached?Joe Skipper?
Re: Sam Long coaching change [lyla]
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lyla wrote:
his channel is boringSam Long is boring. But then again, most of the pro triathletes I've met over the years are.
LS fanatics are nuts, but at least LS is always interesting.
Re: Sam Long coaching change [Vertebrae6395]
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I didn't take his video as he was going to be self coached full time. I took it more as he wanted to experiment on his own for few weeks leading into indian wells. Then take a break for 3 weeks and re-assess things. It doesn't make sense to hire a new coach 3 weeks before the last race of the year with a planned break right after. I would fully expect him to have a new coach for 2023.
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [test]
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Saw his YouTube and wasn’t surprised by this. I said in the IM Arizona thread I thought he was doing too much volume. Maybe he and Lionel can coach each other since they’re in the same city 😜.
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [Nick2413]
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Nick2413 wrote:
timr wrote:
I've seen clues but nothing certain. I just really hope he doesn't start coaching himself.If he ever wants to get better at long distance he’s going to need some coaching magic. It seems middle distance comes more naturally to him
Re: Sam Long coaching change [test]
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i said in the other thread that going totally solo, if that's his plan, doesn't seem like a great idea for sam. based on what i've seen and heard from him this year, i think he'd benefit a lot from a steady coach and from some sport psych.
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [WhittleFit]
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Ha, definately some recognisable footsteps there.
His season was quite good for a young pro
11 starts
4 wins
7 podiums
Week before the IM worlds he was hit by car and injured his back
At the 70.3 worlds he got that weird penalty
So overall pretty decent but as most pros there is the search for the balance in training volume and racing volume.
A coach could help keep feet on the ground during those vulnerable moments for a young pro wanting to race and train fast and often
His season was quite good for a young pro
11 starts
4 wins
7 podiums
Week before the IM worlds he was hit by car and injured his back
At the 70.3 worlds he got that weird penalty
So overall pretty decent but as most pros there is the search for the balance in training volume and racing volume.
A coach could help keep feet on the ground during those vulnerable moments for a young pro wanting to race and train fast and often
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Lacticturkey: Dec 17, 22 1:54
Re: Sam Long coaching change [mkq]
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mkq wrote:
He has had a string of immature decisions in 2022. He can dress them up as "life experiences" but his stock has definitely gone down. If he is going to "self coaching", that is going to be another step that is not forward.Not really sure how his stock has gone down for anyone doing the judging, maybe in your eyes. But for the folks cutting his checks, it's probably even or increased based on his results. As seen from Lacticturkey's post:
Lacticturkey wrote:
Ha, definately some recognisable footsteps there. His season was quite good for a young pro
11 starts
4 wins
7 podiums
Week before the IM worlds he was hit by car and injured his back
At the 70.3 worlds he got that weird penalty
So overall pretty decent but as most pros there is the search for the balance in training volume and racing volume.
A coach could help keep feet on the ground during those vulnerable moments for a young pro wanting to race and train fast and often
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TheStroBro: Dec 17, 22 7:16
Re: Sam Long coaching change [stevej]
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stevej wrote:
I took it more as he wanted to experiment on his own for few weeks leading into indian wells. Then take a break for 3 weeks and re-assess things. It doesn't make sense to hire a new coach 3 weeks before the last race of the year with a planned break right afterThis is my thought as well. A mental break from having someone else structure his workouts. Get it ‘out of his system’ to try a few things he has been wanting to try training wise. Take a break and then search for a coach he thinks will be a good match for his goals
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [iron_mike]
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It wouldn't shock me if he's already gotten a new coach and is just using the "off season" as a chill period and announce at a later date the new coach, etc. Some coaches have a "respectful" down period between the previous coach out of respect and/or remove from "poaching" drama.
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [B_Doughtie]
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I wonder if he actually reached out to Olav like he said he was going to on the How They Train pod. Not sure Olav and the Norwegians would ever let him train with them, but I hope he at least had that conversation.
Re: Sam Long coaching change [Vertebrae6395]
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Who’s Olav’s best “virtual” athlete?
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Exercise Physiology
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Re: Sam Long coaching change [B_Doughtie]
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Tough crowd
Re: Sam Long coaching change [Adub]
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How? He’s famous for coaching the 2 biggest stars in the sport. Very unlikely that Long becomes a 3rd in person training partner, so I think it’s a fair question (I’m sure some Norwegian itu guys are in person but of lesser known name).
Who’s doing the Norwegian method from afar and being successful? Colin Chartier or LS by way of Mikal?
Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Who’s doing the Norwegian method from afar and being successful? Colin Chartier or LS by way of Mikal?
Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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B_Doughtie: Dec 17, 22 15:47
Re: Sam Long coaching change [B_Doughtie]
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I think Sam points out he wants a more scientific approach? But since we do not know exactly what him and Ryan do etc. I am not sure if he means simple lactate testing or race prep with a coach present ??? Which would sound like ola?
Sam had such a solid 2021 and just a few bad days in 2022. He will have a great 2023 no matter who is his coach.
I think the idea that ola is special is very interesting as he does nothing different than so many other coaches . The difference is he has these two guys that are 100 % in for over a decade and even will not drink a beer or get a girl friend as they have calculated lost time with those choices. Few coaches get handed robots to program perfectly.
Technique will always last longer then energy production. Improve biomechanics, improve performance.
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Sam had such a solid 2021 and just a few bad days in 2022. He will have a great 2023 no matter who is his coach.
I think the idea that ola is special is very interesting as he does nothing different than so many other coaches . The difference is he has these two guys that are 100 % in for over a decade and even will not drink a beer or get a girl friend as they have calculated lost time with those choices. Few coaches get handed robots to program perfectly.
Technique will always last longer then energy production. Improve biomechanics, improve performance.
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The coaches page Sam was commenting on Instagram is a scientific coach with several Pros and one of his athletes holds a KONA World Championship Crown (Chelsea Sodaro). Dan Plews. I PMd Sam to ask but he hasn't responded. I don't know why there would be a relationship there other than coach/athlete discussion. They haven't been to any of the same races and they are in two different continents. I'd love to see Sam use Dan's knowledge and approach so I'm hoping one of them announces a partnership soon.
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