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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [guillermoD] [ In reply to ]
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Black frame set end of this month. Red doesn't show up on dealer website yet.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [guillermoD] [ In reply to ]
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In Europe the black will be available Around mid to end of October. At least that is what my LBS is telling me. I am not sure about the red (the one I like)
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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2liters Chris? I can’t fill my medium shiv with two 750ml bottles. I think it’s more like 1.3liters for me. That’s about 2/3 of my needs for 70.3 bike leg. It does work quite well bar the lid thingie on rougher roads.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [maarten.claes] [ In reply to ]
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#metoo Maarten...
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [maarten.claes] [ In reply to ]
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maarten.claes wrote:
2liters Chris? I can’t fill my medium shiv with two 750ml bottles. I think it’s more like 1.3liters for me. That’s about 2/3 of my needs for 70.3 bike leg. It does work quite well bar the lid thingie on rougher roads.

Interesting, so about as much as two behind the seat bottles but not able to refill. Also no data as to how bad of an aero penalty that fin is.

Maurice
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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Watching this video as to the "aero penalty" on the fin, hydration system on the SHIV, you will see that your legs during pedaling will break up the crosswinds.



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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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mauricemaher wrote:
maarten.claes wrote:
2liters Chris? I can’t fill my medium shiv with two 750ml bottles. I think it’s more like 1.3liters for me. That’s about 2/3 of my needs for 70.3 bike leg. It does work quite well bar the lid thingie on rougher roads.

Interesting, so about as much as two behind the seat bottles but not able to refill. Also no data as to how bad of an aero penalty that fin is.

Maurice

No problems to refill during race.
Bad aero? Aero advantage.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [pingu] [ In reply to ]
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pingu wrote:
mauricemaher wrote:
maarten.claes wrote:
2liters Chris? I can’t fill my medium shiv with two 750ml bottles. I think it’s more like 1.3liters for me. That’s about 2/3 of my needs for 70.3 bike leg. It does work quite well bar the lid thingie on rougher roads.

Interesting, so about as much as two behind the seat bottles but not able to refill. Also no data as to how bad of an aero penalty that fin is.

Maurice

No problems to refill during race.
Bad aero? Aero advantage.

I haven’t seen the bike in person, I like it though. Refill just based on comments appears to be very sketchy, IE dangerous, IE leave as is for both the safety of yourself and fellow racers.

In terms of aero we simply don’t know if this bike is fast or not, we know it’s faster than the old shiv, but IIRC so is the venge.

One of the comments from Josh @ Silca was that the new shiv TT is a very fast bike and the back end is essentially the shiv Tri without hydration.

I just want to know if this approaches p5-d/6/x or sc9 slippery ness.

Maurice
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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mauricemaher wrote:
Interesting, so about as much as two behind the seat bottles but not able to refill. Also no data as to how bad of an aero penalty that fin is.

Maurice

Penalty? In the press release, didn't they say it makes the bike faster?

Also, two bottles is plenty for your carb mix even if you go liquid-only. Then you just need a BTA watter bottle to swap at aid stations
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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BigBoyND wrote:
mauricemaher wrote:
Interesting, so about as much as two behind the seat bottles but not able to refill. Also no data as to how bad of an aero penalty that fin is.

Maurice

Penalty? In the press release, didn't they say it makes the bike faster?/quote/

They say the bike is optimized for Kona...not any mention of what Yaw, yaw distribution, weighting’s etc. With the new shiv TT I want to know which bike is faster, and how they stack up against the competition....the bike is going on a year old and zero data, for 17k$ or so I want a white paper, at the very least.

Also, two bottles is plenty for your carb mix even if you go liquid-only. Then you just need a BTA watter bottle to swap at aid stations./quote/

I suppose if it works for you great.

Maurice
Last edited by: mauricemaher: Aug 14, 19 19:08
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Any additional color on how the bike handles in real world? There aren't many reviews from people who have actually ridden the bike. Does the fork make a noticeable improvement in handling and crosswind stability? Seems like the water reservoir in the back also would improve handled compared to the between the aerobar placement on the Canyon, Giant, etc.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [wintershade] [ In reply to ]
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wintershade wrote:
Any additional color on how the bike handles in real world? There aren't many reviews from people who have actually ridden the bike. Does the fork make a noticeable improvement in handling and crosswind stability? Seems like the water reservoir in the back also would improve handled compared to the between the aerobar placement on the Canyon, Giant, etc.

So I had totally written this bike off when I first saw it based on looks alone..... Having just gotten back from racing worlds in France and spending the entire descent with a guy on a black shiv disc frame I can say for me I really like the look of it and it looks remarkably better in person.

I am a totally trek fan and have loved being on a Speed Concept since 2014 so hard for me to jump of a trek and back onto a shiv without hearing what people are actually saying about its ride quality / handling.

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [wintershade] [ In reply to ]
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just bumping this thread for anyone that owns this bike would love just to hear more about it.

1. storage
2. handling
3. Wrenching it
4. front end
5. how they are using the bladder
6. problems
7. love hate things about the bike.

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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1. storage
plenty. more then i would need
2. handling
excellent. especially combination of stiffer more direct front end and disc brakes. no more need to be timid descending passes
3. Wrenching it
so far easy, especially packing it with the base bars folding down
4. front end
its probably the best part as it allow the bike to start "sailing" at a much steeper yaw angle then the old shiv (cannot compare to other bikes) it definitely is a blast riding with any sort of side winds
5. how they are using the bladder
just for racing. train with 2 bottles (seat tube and BTA)
6. problems
none so far
7. love hate things about the bike.
love the sailing and the control. hate that its synchro-shift only (hence will add sprint shifters to base bar)
also, changed rear disc to 140mmm (from 160mm) so that i can easily swap training wheels
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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mauricemaher wrote:


They say the bike is optimized for Kona...not any mention of what Yaw, yaw distribution, weighting’s etc. With the new shiv TT I want to know which bike is faster, and how they stack up against the competition....the bike is going on a year old and zero data, for 17k$ or so I want a white paper, at the very least.

Maurice

You are not going to get much data these days, bike are now so well optimised there is a limited amount of improvements that can no be made. But they still need to sell new bikes.

Probably more important is questions about adjustability and general handling. From an aero point the basic bike are all getting to the same place.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mammamia] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the feedback.

Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Mario S] [ In reply to ]
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Mario S wrote:
mauricemaher wrote:


They say the bike is optimized for Kona...not any mention of what Yaw, yaw distribution, weighting’s etc. With the new shiv TT I want to know which bike is faster, and how they stack up against the competition....the bike is going on a year old and zero data, for 17k$ or so I want a white paper, at the very least.

Maurice

You are not going to get much data these days, bike are now so well optimised there is a limited amount of improvements that can no be made. But they still need to sell new bikes.

Probably more important is questions about adjustability and general handling. From an aero point the basic bike are all getting to the same place.

Sort of,

There is likely 0-5 watts among the top 3-5 (most being rim brakes, 5-10 year old design) bikes, then there’s every one else.

My specific point was where is this bike within that? With no data we have to assume “everyone else”

Agree on fit/ease of adjustments etc.

Maurice
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?
did not have to, it came with the bike.... ;) (special edition series)

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?
no. trained with 2 bottles only. down tube and BTA
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mammamia] [ In reply to ]
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mammamia wrote:
Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?
did not have to, it came with the bike.... ;) (special edition series)

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?
no. trained with 2 bottles only. down tube and BTA

Man way to jump on it early, I am searching for any deal i can find on one....

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Toothengineer wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.

Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?
A: was included. served me well on both IM trips.

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?
A: I do actually. But for training, i mostly just use water and no sportsdrink to keep it somewhat cleaner. Have a BTA too but dont use it for 70.3 or short training rides.

I like it. (a lot)
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mammamia] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone happen to know if the Roval Disc wheel was designed to work with the shiv specifically?

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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according to what specialized has said the roval disc was specifically designed to work with the uci legal shiv, so the tri specific shiv would work well with it, i would imagine.

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [mammamia] [ In reply to ]
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mammamia wrote:
Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?
did not have to, it came with the bike.... ;) (special edition series)

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?
no. trained with 2 bottles only. down tube and BTA

What is the travel case? Is it a specialized product?

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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damon.lebeouf wrote:
according to what specialized has said the roval disc was specifically designed to work with the uci legal shiv, so the tri specific shiv would work well with it, i would imagine.

Works well! Rode it on IM Barca
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Toothengineer wrote:
mammamia wrote:
Did you buy the travel case made specifically for the bike?
did not have to, it came with the bike.... ;) (special edition series)

Do you train with the rear bladder in it all the time?
no. trained with 2 bottles only. down tube and BTA

What is the travel case? Is it a specialized product?

Yepp, came with the limited edition Shiv. Haven’t used mine and not sure I will. I am a hard box-person...
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