Projected just over now? 2:00:45?

2:01:09 final time. New WR, but his pace dropped by 4-5 seconds per km after his last pacer dropped off at 25km. Still an amazing result

Insanity. 59:51; 61:18. Obviously it's an incredibly fine line and you don't set out to run 2:00:20 so makes sense he goes through half at sub 2 pace, but I wonder if he'd gone through half at 60:15 whether he'd have held on for the even split and gone sub 2:00:30. Also, I wonder if the pacers were on pace or slightly fast.

I still can't believe we're within finishing straight view of sub 2 marathon in my lifetime. Yeah, the shoes and all, but still. It's ridiculous.

I wonder if he does the first half in 60:12 if he can do second half in 59:47. You can literally get the last 400m for free if you have the legs and kick 4 seconds faster than steady state if you need that kick so its just doing the second half exactly like he did the first half and hope you have a final track finishing lap that you can take it under.

The wildcard here is which pacers can hang on for longer at that pace. I THINK if they start slower, the pacers can hang in for longer

This is way more impressive than the Sub 2 show in 2019 as there was no pacer rotation.

This is a great video showing Kipchoge’s ‘bottle man’. If only we all had one of those in life with that enthusiasm!

Unreal performance…by both! https://www.flotrack.org/...2-berlin-wr-marathon[/url]

Thats awesome, must be frustrating too

Notes:
He set the previous record at berlin too
Shaved 30 seconds off previous record
Needs another 1,10 to go sub 2
Kipchoge is almost 38
Ran nike alpha fly 2

This video put a smile on my face. Thanks for sharing!


By the way, Kipchoge is a legend! I'm so happy for him.

Yeah, really impressive that he "went for it" on the first half - but - the result shows that 2:01ish might be his limit. Maybe he could have done 2:00:50 with a 60:30 first half? But he will soon be 38, and he knows he cannot PR forever. That's why he went "crazy" today, I think.

Maybe this WR lasts 20 years?

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I used to run. (31:09 10k)
I never did Triathlon.
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2nd place 4 min slower. quite possible

OTOH, the fastest non-Kipchoge marathon is only 0:32 slower, so not inconceivable the next incomprehensibly fast human will come along soon and find those 70 seconds. I mean the race equivalency calculators give Kiplomo's 57:31 half marathon as a 1:59:55 marathon equivalent, so there is always someone else coming down the pike who will have 2:00 on the brain.

plenty of sub 1 hour half people there, but tack on that extra half and many fade. bekele is that other guy you mention, and he has been having injury issues. No one else has gone under 2:03 since 2021

As he is running at 21kph and not in any sort of aerodynamic position, I would assume the drag is higher than an aero cyclist at 35kph (or maybe close). I have to think his relatively baggy tank top has to be worth 1 second per km (or more). Or is the tradeoff of drag vs comfort worth it?

My point is that 20 years is a long time and it is certainly reasonable to imagine someone not named Kipchoge will achieve those 70 seconds in that span.

57:31 calculates to 1:59:55, if you believe in those performance comparison calculators. Given the current half WR already compares to a sub 2 marathon, again, it is reasonable to consider as possible that the next Bekele / Kipchoge talent will bring the marathon WR to par with the half marathon WR. Those two guys are at the tail end of their careers and are not going to get there, but they both got to within 100 seconds. Surely in 20 years it is possible someone else will succeed where they failed.

Or maybe not. Maybe the last 70 seconds will take the 80-100 years that 2010 science was predicting. It is all incomprehensibly fast to me.

Anyone knows which shoes did he run in? I suspect that these were Alphaflys Next 2s but I am not sure....

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looking at pictures, that's exactly what they are

Sure he can't get faster forever, but he's still headed in that direction. Seems early to talk about decline when the guy set a WR yesterday...

Certainly didnt look like he faded in the last 10 minutes...holy smokes!

He appears fully recovered before the clock even gets to 2:02:00.

Prior to super shoes, runners would fall to the ground at the finish. Looks like we reached the peak of human ability imo

Unreal result. Sub-60:00 opening half. Sheesh. Close to perfect conditions &, with Kipchoge in his late-30s, I think we have just about found his limit. I get the excitement over sub-2 in a legit marathon but that's not going to be in the cards. With better pacing, he runs maybe 2:00:30-2:00:45. So sub-2:01 was left on the table. It should only get more difficult to trim time if he ever decides to age. He likes London in the spring but it's not as fast as Berlin and can get warmer weather. Would be nice to see him round out the majors & do Boston & NYC. We more/less know his limits on a fast/flat course. Would be fun to see him in a couple of non-rabbited races (that he can win) before he closes out his career.

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Prior to super shoes, runners would fall to the ground at the finish. Looks like we reached the peak of human ability imo

You must be quite desperate to prove your "point" to be making stuff up that it is so easy to flag as a lie.

Here is the video of Kipchoge going 2:01:39 in 2018 without super shoes and finishes the exact same as he did this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hDeYdAdn3o


If these shoes are really 4% faster, why is he not running sub 2 hours?


No way Kipchoge is in 2:05 shape without super shoes and everyone else is in 2:10 shape.

Cannot see video, but nike next % are in super shoe class

2018, no super shoes in my view (4% are not in the league of the Next % of Alphafly's in my view). Kipchoge ran 2:01:39. He did not collapse as you falsely claim that people were doing before super shoes.

Better argument:

2014, no super shoes (well, Adidas boost flats, which were "fast" and in my view faster than say Hyperspeeds) Kimetto ran 2:02:57. Same, he seems collected and did not collapse as you falsely claim.

Not arguing that these shoes aren't faster than old hsoes, but if we choose 2014 as a reference as you might prefer, the speed has improved about 1.3%. How much is the shoes vs Kipchoge being fitter than Kimetto, well not sure we will ever find out.

Image search shows this, not standard flats. https://trackandfieldnews.com/...erlin-marathon-2018/

He started to use carbon / special foam shoes starting 2017, Nike perfecting it year by year.

I'm not putting him down, it is amazing consistency to stay in shape to be able to do this